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Peroroncino

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Bc people drag them into the forefront. The people trying to lynch the McMuffin indie are the ones who force them into the forefront lol.

You want to know how often I talked about Blue this game? Only when I was telling people to stop worrying about him and try to lynch mafia lol. If they would just try to lynch mafia and keep their eyes on the prize he wouldnโ€™t come up much
you kinda need to drag them to the forefront considering their op roles so you can decide how to deal with them, besides indies got nothing to complain about here.
Claiming indie here is basically a guaranteed win like one of the tags say
 
Alrighty let's complement.

Anti indie roles might just be one of the... less marginally benefical roles ever made in Mafia. First and foremost not all indies are gonna be a detriment to Town or Mafia for that matter (see survivor), amking those type of roles redundant and a -1/vanilla role in an otherwise RM/SRM role.

Secondly, even if we entertain the scenario where hostile indies exist it's hardly beneficial to Town, if at all. Exemplfiying:

We have 27 players; 20 Town, 7 hostiles players to Town. 6 are scum and 1 is SK. 19 of those roles have abilities that universally work in all roles. It works on Town, Mafia and indies. The benefits are clearly obvious. However, a specific anti indie role will make it useless on Mafia, meaning that that role is only able to affect 1/7th of its wincon, so it's a basically useless role that can barely help Town win as it can't affect the bigger obstacle to Town winning (Mafia), completely different from normal Town roles that can affect all roles regardless of alignment. This is aking to make a anti GF role that only works on GF. It only gives marginal benefits to help achieve Town's wincon.

Veredict: Anti Indie roles are one of the less useful roles ever thought and barely beneficial to furthering Town's wincon.
Fwiw I think it was a niche funny idea lol.

And had this game had a bunch of hostile indies it would have been fine.

Really it was an issue of bringing a straw as your only eating utensil to a meal that doesnโ€™t have any liquids lol.

The straw isnโ€™t as versatile as a fork but it can have some uses and even do some things the fork canโ€™t.

And when making your own role it isnโ€™t like someone who made an anti indie role would know that no one else is making hostile indies lol (although I could have been hostile)
 

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Fwiw I think it was a niche funny idea lol.

And had this game had a bunch of hostile indies it would have been fine.

Really it was an issue of bringing a straw as your only eating utensil to a meal that doesnโ€™t have any liquids lol.

The straw isnโ€™t as versatile as a fork but it can have some uses and even do some things the fork canโ€™t.

And when making your own role it isnโ€™t like someone who made an anti indie role would know that no one else is making hostile indies lol (although I could have been hostile)
Well tbh I think... *kkkrrrrr* *error* *kkkrrrrr*

I've met my quota of serious posts.

Back to my kawaii self
 
(Also that indie census was really helpful bc it told me as early as D1 that I probably didnโ€™t need to worry about either Blue or Odd very much bc it told us exactly what kind of Indies they were)
 
To make everyone happy I think Fuji just should have put an arsonist and a serial into the game and gave us more Indies so that the people who came in wanting to spite kill some indies to fulfill a grudge going into the game even before it started could have got a couple of pelts and been fulfilled lol

Instead they got blue balled bc the indies were harmless and they had no choice but to tunnel benign ones
 
The Indie hunting defnintly made a good portion of D1 both unplayable and un enjoyable
I think this game was just a build up of people being upset at insides the last handful of games lol which resulted in a warped thinking process

(As mafia it should have been a great thing for you guys tho lol. Had we gone through with Blue & Odd as the first two lynches scum would have gotten two free days of less POE progression) (even if itโ€™s a bit less sporty lol)
 
Indies are people who, for the most part, don't interfere too much with other factions' wincons, so why the fuck is hunting them ever a good idea? If you know a certain player plays pro Town even better. You literally have an ally who you can trust and Mafia can't afford killing for majority of the time, so why the fuck do you wanna screw over that person? It's not only disgusting it's also just fucking dumb.
 

Peroroncino

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Indies are people who, for the most part, don't interfere too much with other factions' wincons, so why the fuck is hunting them ever a good idea? If you know a certain player plays pro Town even better. You literally have an ally who you can trust and Mafia can't afford killing for majority of the time, so why the fuck do you wanna screw over that person? It's not only disgusting it's also just fucking dumb.
and you should believe they're pro-town why again?
9 times out of 10 there's something they're not telling you
 
and you should believe they're pro-town why again?
9 times out of 10 there's something they're not telling you
Hostile roles typically donโ€™t claim D1. As it only takes one thing to go wrong for you to get lynched even if you can skate by for a little bit.

How many times have you ever seen a serial killer claim D1 and go on to win the game? I never have personally.

Indies who claim D1 are far likelier to be neutral or pro town than hostile. (Thatโ€™s ignoring that this game we knew that Blue was neutral and not hostile bc of a census)

Thereโ€™s also meta. (An Indie claim from me is shakier than an Indie claim from Fuji bc one of us will gleefully scum side if given the slightest chance and the other prefers to play pro town as much as they can)

And being generous with the numbers, even if that โ€œ9 out of 10โ€ quote were true, only 1 out of every 10 times of those 9 times is whatever it is something that justifies/offers a payoff for going after them that is more beneficial than working towards eliminating mafia
 

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Hostile roles typically donโ€™t claim D1. As it only takes one thing to go wrong for you to get lynched even if you can skate by for a little bit.

How many times have you ever seen a serial killer claim D1 and go on to win the game? I never have personally.

Indies who claim D1 are far likelier to be neutral or pro town than hostile. (Thatโ€™s ignoring that this game we knew that Blue was neutral and not hostile bc of a census)

Thereโ€™s also meta. (An Indie claim from me is shakier than an Indie claim from Fuji bc one of us will gleefully scum side if given the slightest chance and the other prefers to play pro town as much as they can)

And being generous with the numbers, even if that โ€œ9 out of 10โ€ quote were true, only 1 out of every 10 times of those 9 times is whatever it is something that justifies/offers a payoff for going after them that is more beneficial than working towards eliminating mafia
claim indie D1 has close to 100% win rate here wdym?
 
Hostile roles typically donโ€™t claim D1. As it only takes one thing to go wrong for you to get lynched even if you can skate by for a little bit.

How many times have you ever seen a serial killer claim D1 and go on to win the game? I never have personally.

Indies who claim D1 are far likelier to be neutral or pro town than hostile. (Thatโ€™s ignoring that this game we knew that Blue was neutral and not hostile bc of a census)

Thereโ€™s also meta. (An Indie claim from me is shakier than an Indie claim from Fuji bc one of us will gleefully scum side if given the slightest chance and the other prefers to play pro town as much as they can)

And being generous with the numbers, even if that โ€œ9 out of 10โ€ quote were true, only 1 out of every 10 times of those 9 times is whatever it is something that justifies/offers a payoff for going after them that is more beneficial than working towards eliminating mafia
Prif answering this better than I could have lol. But yeah, that's it. You have people like Ratchet and Fuji who will Town side a lot and who I will continue to trust. I went as far as to threaten to convert him to our side if he acts against us when I was scum in Favs because I knew Ratchet being on Town's side would have been troublesome.
 
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