General & Others If Egghead arc Straw Hats (and some alterations) are in the Paramount War...

#1
Altered scenario:
  • The SHs are coming from Amazon Lily (Sanji is well and not nosebleeding)
  • It was Sabo who infiltrated ID in order to release Ivankov and made temporary alliance with the OG escapees (except Jinbe is not on ID this time)
  • Sabo and Ivankov are going to Marineford because of Kuma
  • The SHs and Sabo's group arrives the same time as the OG escapees arrived
  • Sabo's memory returned when Sengoku gave the go signal to execute Ace
  • Only the SHs are in Egghead arc form
How would it change the outcome of the war?
 
#4
They probably win but they do risk getting members killed (in bold).

- Luffy goes from helpless, hakiless, rookie to Yonko with God powers. 1 admiral needed to keep him occupied.
- Sabo survived 5 Gorosei + Imu whilst in Mariejois. 1 admiral needed to keep him occupied.
- Zoro becomes one of only 5-10 pirates on the whole battlefield with AdCoC. 1 admiral needed to keep him occupied. But his prowess might trigger Mihawk which would be bad.
- Jinbei is the same as before.
- Sanji is a capable YC but doesnt really change anything against admirals.
- Robin in the vicinity of Akainu? Really bad.
- Franky could help build a bridge or something, holds his own.
- Brook might be very useful against fodders. Speed, infiltration, AoE freeze.
- Chopper might be able to turn WB in to Prime WB for a limited time which is huge!
- Nami has good AoE but cant handle stronger foes.
- Usopp has good AoE but cant handle stronger foes.
 
#5
They probably win but they do risk getting members killed (in bold).

- Luffy goes from helpless, hakiless, rookie to Yonko with God powers. 1 admiral needed to keep him occupied.
- Sabo survived 5 Gorosei + Imu whilst in Mariejois. 1 admiral needed to keep him occupied.
- Zoro becomes one of only 5-10 pirates on the whole battlefield with AdCoC. 1 admiral needed to keep him occupied. But his prowess might trigger Mihawk which would be bad.
- Jinbei is the same as before.
- Sanji is a capable YC but doesnt really change anything against admirals.
- Robin in the vicinity of Akainu? Really bad.
- Franky could help build a bridge or something, holds his own.
- Brook might be very useful against fodders. Speed, infiltration, AoE freeze.
- Chopper might be able to turn WB in to Prime WB for a limited time which is huge!
- Nami has good AoE but cant handle stronger foes.
- Usopp has good AoE but cant handle stronger foes.
-Luffy can definitely hold his own against 2 admirals for some time. Not win but keep them occupied, giving WB the much needed space to be effective. When it comes to Ace’s pride, Luffy will not be a sitting duck and actually engage Akainu effectively in this case.
-I agree with Zoro. Mihawk would have to step in and start fighting seriously.
-Sanji would not job at all. At the very least, he forces Doflamingo to fight seriously and stall him for sometime, with beating Doflamingo not being a reaching option at all. He gives room to Marco and Jozu to shine and put serious work without interfering against Admirals.
-Jinbei does not act as Luffy’s bodyguard, he either keeps couple VAs occupied, engages Kuma or engages against Pacifista army+Sentomaru. Worst case scenerio, Onigumo or Momonga are way stronger than regular VA and Jinbei matches with one of them.
-Franky engages and neutralizes couple VAs. Can also provide mechanical support for ships.
-Robin engages and neutralizes couple VAs. Agree with the bad take, he becomes a primary target for Akainu.
-Brook should be able to engage a VA or two. May put in extremely significant work against Pacifista army to further free up space for Jinbei.
-Nami and Usopp provide AoE against fodders.

In this scenerio, for execution to still occur and Marines/WG to win, there are three possibilities:
1) Mihawk and Sengoku must fight seriously. I do not think Garp would fight again because of emotional trauma.
2) Blackbeard forms a temporary alliance with Marines when he arrives. When there are two Yonkos, he may choose to not engage at all so it is not a reliable possibility.
3) CP-0 and God’s Knights come from Marie Jois to fight with Marines.
 
#6
Ace still gets freed and then dies because of his pride
How do you think would Ace die in this scenario?

Ace is saved and Sickbeard lives
How do you think would WB live in this scenario?

They probably win but they do risk getting members killed (in bold).

- Luffy goes from helpless, hakiless, rookie to Yonko with God powers. 1 admiral needed to keep him occupied.
- Sabo survived 5 Gorosei + Imu whilst in Mariejois. 1 admiral needed to keep him occupied.
- Zoro becomes one of only 5-10 pirates on the whole battlefield with AdCoC. 1 admiral needed to keep him occupied. But his prowess might trigger Mihawk which would be bad.
- Jinbei is the same as before.
- Sanji is a capable YC but doesnt really change anything against admirals.
- Robin in the vicinity of Akainu? Really bad.
- Franky could help build a bridge or something, holds his own.
- Brook might be very useful against fodders. Speed, infiltration, AoE freeze.
- Chopper might be able to turn WB in to Prime WB for a limited time which is huge!
- Nami has good AoE but cant handle stronger foes.
- Usopp has good AoE but cant handle stronger foes.
Who among the admirals do you think would stall Luffy? How do you think he would fare against the 3 admirals during "that" iconic encounter?
Do note that that version of Sabo who survived against the "demons" is with the Mera Mera no Mi powers... In this scenario, he doesn't have it since it's still with Ace...
Egghead Zoro vs. Marineford Mihawk would be interesting...
You think Marineford Jinbe and Egghead Jinbe is the same? Interesting take...
How would Franky build a bridge in the middle of a war?
How would Chopper do that to WB? The same PED used to Zoro in Onigashima?

-Luffy can definitely hold his own against 2 admirals for some time. Not win but keep them occupied, giving WB the much needed space to be effective. When it comes to Ace’s pride, Luffy will not be a sitting duck and actually engage Akainu effectively in this case.
-I agree with Zoro. Mihawk would have to step in and start fighting seriously.
-Sanji would not job at all. At the very least, he forces Doflamingo to fight seriously and stall him for sometime, with beating Doflamingo not being a reaching option at all. He gives room to Marco and Jozu to shine and put serious work without interfering against Admirals.
-Jinbei does not act as Luffy’s bodyguard, he either keeps couple VAs occupied, engages Kuma or engages against Pacifista army+Sentomaru. Worst case scenerio, Onigumo or Momonga are way stronger than regular VA and Jinbei matches with one of them.
-Franky engages and neutralizes couple VAs. Can also provide mechanical support for ships.
-Robin engages and neutralizes couple VAs. Agree with the bad take, he becomes a primary target for Akainu.
-Brook should be able to engage a VA or two. May put in extremely significant work against Pacifista army to further free up space for Jinbei.
-Nami and Usopp provide AoE against fodders.

In this scenerio, for execution to still occur and Marines/WG to win, there are three possibilities:
1) Mihawk and Sengoku must fight seriously. I do not think Garp would fight again because of emotional trauma.
2) Blackbeard forms a temporary alliance with Marines when he arrives. When there are two Yonkos, he may choose to not engage at all so it is not a reliable possibility.
3) CP-0 and God’s Knights come from Marie Jois to fight with Marines.
Which tandem among the admirals would give Luffy an "easier" time?
You think Egghead Sanji will still have a hard time against Marineford Doflamingo? Though yeah, that could be true if we take Law's speech in Punk Hazard literally that the likes of Doffy were overconfident after the war...
You think Robin and Brook can now defeat VAs? Interesting...
 
#8
How do you think would Ace die in this scenario?



How do you think would WB live in this scenario?



Who among the admirals do you think would stall Luffy? How do you think he would fare against the 3 admirals during "that" iconic encounter?
Do note that that version of Sabo who survived against the "demons" is with the Mera Mera no Mi powers... In this scenario, he doesn't have it since it's still with Ace...
Egghead Zoro vs. Marineford Mihawk would be interesting...
You think Marineford Jinbe and Egghead Jinbe is the same? Interesting take...
How would Franky build a bridge in the middle of a war?
How would Chopper do that to WB? The same PED used to Zoro in Onigashima?



Which tandem among the admirals would give Luffy an "easier" time?
You think Egghead Sanji will still have a hard time against Marineford Doflamingo? Though yeah, that could be true if we take Law's speech in Punk Hazard literally that the likes of Doffy were overconfident after the war...
You think Robin and Brook can now defeat VAs? Interesting...
Akainu would taunt him again and he would fall for it and die in the process, maybe not saving Luffy but directly falling victim to Akainu
 
#10
1: Who among the admirals do you think would stall Luffy?

2: How do you think he would fare against the 3 admirals during "that" iconic encounter?

3: Do note that that version of Sabo who survived against the "demons" is with the Mera Mera no Mi powers... In this scenario, he doesn't have it since it's still with Ace...

4: Egghead Zoro vs. Marineford Mihawk would be interesting...

5: You think Marineford Jinbe and Egghead Jinbe is the same? Interesting take...

6: How would Franky build a bridge in the middle of a war?

7: How would Chopper do that to WB? The same PED used to Zoro in Onigashima?
1: Any of them can stall him without problems. They dont have to engage in close quarters for a win, just keep him at bay.

2: Better, of course. But 3 vs 1 is still too much, especially when one of them is Akainu.

3: Sabo already had AdCoA (ryou) in Dressrosa. It wouldnt surprise me at all if ”The Flame Emperor” also has CoC. Until 1 month ago he was a haki man with a steel pipe.

4: Egghead Zoro > Vista. Skirmish with Mihawk in full control at all times, Zoro holds his own. No one gets any serious damage unless Mihawk gets blood lusted for some reason.

5: Yeah. I dont see Jinbei progressing much between Marineford and Egghead. He was already ≈ Ace and > Moriah back then. His mental & physical stats are likely prime, experience is also top. He could perhaps add a technique or two but otherwise I dont see any big improvement, he is a Shichibukai/YC2 guy.

6: Stranger things have taken place in this series.

7: Perhaps that PED Zoro got, a variation on whatever Hyogoro got, Hody Jones drugs or that Alabasta drug those guards took. WB was intent on dying anyway, he would gladly trade his remaining life for 30 minutes of max strength.
 
#11
How do you think would Ace die in this scenario?



How do you think would WB live in this scenario?



Who among the admirals do you think would stall Luffy? How do you think he would fare against the 3 admirals during "that" iconic encounter?
Do note that that version of Sabo who survived against the "demons" is with the Mera Mera no Mi powers... In this scenario, he doesn't have it since it's still with Ace...
Egghead Zoro vs. Marineford Mihawk would be interesting...
You think Marineford Jinbe and Egghead Jinbe is the same? Interesting take...
How would Franky build a bridge in the middle of a war?
How would Chopper do that to WB? The same PED used to Zoro in Onigashima?



Which tandem among the admirals would give Luffy an "easier" time?
You think Egghead Sanji will still have a hard time against Marineford Doflamingo? Though yeah, that could be true if we take Law's speech in Punk Hazard literally that the likes of Doffy were overconfident after the war...
You think Robin and Brook can now defeat VAs? Interesting...
None of the admirals would give Luffy “easier” time. However, Kuzan and Kizaru are the least tricky to fight when you consider Luffy’s skillset. He also definitely can fight, and even beat, Akainu too but he would need to make significant use of Haki in that case. For Luffy, he does not need to beat the admirals, he can play the perfect role of a support here so that WB can use his high end attacks to wreak havoc on the battlefield without worrying about random lasers or ice balls.

I think Sanji beats Doflamingo but it would take quite some time. Doflamingo has really high endurance and fighting against awakening can also be quite tricky. He definitely makes the life a lot easier for Marco and Jozu though. If Oda makes a retcon and adds Chaton and Momousagi to the war, he can engage and keep Chaton occupied or free up manpower (Marco) to engage them too. Plus, Sanji-Doflamingo match-up also works in favor of Oars Jr.

In Egghead, Franky one shotted a VA, I don’t think Robin and Brook are that far off from Franky in terms of strength level. They should be able to neutralize VAs themselves too. Brook can especially do a lot of work against Pacifista army with his freezing powers. I think Sentomaru is above the pay grade of Mid-Trio but we now have Ivankov, Jinbei, Jozu, Vista etc. for that.

For the war to be more interesting, Sengoku needs to fight seriously and CP0 needs to join. Assuming it is the pre-timeskip line-up for CP0, a guy like Guernica can make it extremely problematic for commanders.
 
#12
Zoro can hold all the three admirals while Luffy saves ace.
Interesting... You think Zoro can survive 3v1?

Akainu would taunt him again and he would fall for it and die in the process, maybe not saving Luffy but directly falling victim to Akainu
I can imagine Akainu mocking WB, Luffy and Sabo...

The world governement is defeated,
Would there be any casualties?

1: Any of them can stall him without problems. They dont have to engage in close quarters for a win, just keep him at bay.

2: Better, of course. But 3 vs 1 is still too much, especially when one of them is Akainu.

3: Sabo already had AdCoA (ryou) in Dressrosa. It wouldnt surprise me at all if ”The Flame Emperor” also has CoC. Until 1 month ago he was a haki man with a steel pipe.

4: Egghead Zoro > Vista. Skirmish with Mihawk in full control at all times, Zoro holds his own. No one gets any serious damage unless Mihawk gets blood lusted for some reason.

5: Yeah. I dont see Jinbei progressing much between Marineford and Egghead. He was already ≈ Ace and > Moriah back then. His mental & physical stats are likely prime, experience is also top. He could perhaps add a technique or two but otherwise I dont see any big improvement, he is a Shichibukai/YC2 guy.

6: Stranger things have taken place in this series.

7: Perhaps that PED Zoro got, a variation on whatever Hyogoro got, Hody Jones drugs or that Alabasta drug those guards took. WB was intent on dying anyway, he would gladly trade his remaining life for 30 minutes of max strength.
Yeah, but who do you think will be the most eager to stall him?

They will definitely take him seriously this time, eh?

That's an interesting take on Sabo...

You think Egghead Zoro is now better than Vista? I'm interested to know your take on Egghead Zoro vs. Yasopp (Vista's rival for unknown reasons)...

Not sure on this, but he's just in his 40s... In OPverse, some characters in their 50s are still improving, only to decline past that age...

In that case, it would be interesting to see Sanji's Attack Cuisine and Chopper's PEDs in play...

That's a good point on WB...

None of the admirals would give Luffy “easier” time. However, Kuzan and Kizaru are the least tricky to fight when you consider Luffy’s skillset. He also definitely can fight, and even beat, Akainu too but he would need to make significant use of Haki in that case. For Luffy, he does not need to beat the admirals, he can play the perfect role of a support here so that WB can use his high end attacks to wreak havoc on the battlefield without worrying about random lasers or ice balls.

I think Sanji beats Doflamingo but it would take quite some time. Doflamingo has really high endurance and fighting against awakening can also be quite tricky. He definitely makes the life a lot easier for Marco and Jozu though. If Oda makes a retcon and adds Chaton and Momousagi to the war, he can engage and keep Chaton occupied or free up manpower (Marco) to engage them too. Plus, Sanji-Doflamingo match-up also works in favor of Oars Jr.

In Egghead, Franky one shotted a VA, I don’t think Robin and Brook are that far off from Franky in terms of strength level. They should be able to neutralize VAs themselves too. Brook can especially do a lot of work against Pacifista army with his freezing powers. I think Sentomaru is above the pay grade of Mid-Trio but we now have Ivankov, Jinbei, Jozu, Vista etc. for that.

For the war to be more interesting, Sengoku needs to fight seriously and CP0 needs to join. Assuming it is the pre-timeskip line-up for CP0, a guy like Guernica can make it extremely problematic for commanders.
That's an interesting take, Kizaru being one of those who can give Luffy an "easier" time, since he kinda struggled against an "uninterested" Kizaru...

The thing with Sanji and Doflamingo is that the latter amputated a YC-tier opponent in Jozu, but the former easily defeated a YC-tier opponent in Queen (albeit handicapped since Queen doesn't have his weapon at the time)... I wonder if Sanji's exoskeleton and increased speed would make a difference now since he was almost killed by Doflamingo in Dressrosa...

The thing with Robin, we saw her got beaten off-screen (until now we still don't know what happened) and have yet to fully recover in the most recent chapter... While Brook, we have yet to see him fight a VA-caliber opponent 1v1... He did engage against Perospero and Black Maria wherein he almost died (w/ Chopper) against the former and never directly engage against the latter (he's just there to sweep the fodders)... Though yeah, Brook can definitely beat Pacifistas...

I can see Sengoku taking on Luffy while Garp takes on WB...
 
#14
Yeah, but who do you think will be the most eager to stall him?

They will definitely take him seriously this time, eh?

That's an interesting take on Sabo...

You think Egghead Zoro is now better than Vista? I'm interested to know your take on Egghead Zoro vs. Yasopp (Vista's rival for unknown reasons)...

Not sure on this, but he's just in his 40s... In OPverse, some characters in their 50s are still improving, only to decline past that age...

In that case, it would be interesting to see Sanji's Attack Cuisine and Chopper's PEDs in play...

That's a good point on WB...

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Aokiji and Kizaru are more inclined to stall, Akainu moves in for the kill.

Sabo still feels underrated. I’d say he was already around YC1 without Mera Mera. With Mera but without practice he reached low admiral level. With mastery there are not many above him.

Zoro took out King and Lucci. Goes without saying he is above Vista and Yasopp, those guys are like YC3-YC4 (in strong crews). Zoro would take on Marco or Beckmann if the SHP fought WBP or RHP, not those guys.

Jinbei can still improve by learning a new technique or two but he is very unlikely too get physically stronger. And his mental stats is his strongest attribute, they are already maxed out so that is unlikely to get better. There are very few other characters with that sort of IQ/Maturity/Experience. A bit of haki bloom will make him a little stronger of course but nothing to dramatic.

Yeah. Ivankov could really have turned the battle around if he was on WBs side.
 
#15
Would there be any casualties?
No, the world governement would just lose against Luffy and Whitebeard,
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Law was able to clash with a quake punch, and two of those punches, although one was while he was not looking, almost defeated pre timeskip Akainu, so with the pre-timeskip powerscaling the world governement loses to Luffy alone, but adding Whitebeard makes it easier than it was before,
 
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