General & Others If Kaido wasn't an emperor 20 or so years ago. Then doesn't that prove the 4 emperors = warlords/marines statement wrong?

[Iam25]

Because Pirates can run away

Spoiler: WB running away

Spoiler: BB pirates running away

As for Beast Pirates, Wano is a closed country so there's not much info about it. Akainu fears the "samurai strenght" which is based on Ryuma's legend.

I'm not saying Navy has power to destroy all Yonkos, of course not. But it's a fact that even if marines try to capture them, pirates can just run away.
Among the current Yonkos, probably only Kaido would face them.

Except BM has existed on WCI for decades. Shit man, they literally had a WG spy in one of her weddings.

She doesn't run away. She's been there for the longest time

 

[JoNdule]

How come every canon statement or statement by Oda is tossed aside as headcanon?

Garp's BoP statement is tossed aside as Garp not knowing what he's talking about

Chinjao saying beating the yonko or admirals is a foolish thought gets deflected as him being an irrelevant hasbeen

Luffy saying he cant be PK without beating the yonko and Admirals gets tossed aside as Luffy being an idiot

Oda saying Bullet can't prove he's the strongest without beating all the yonko and Admirals gets tossed aside as a non manga source.

But things like Mother Caramel's statement about BM is 100% factual.

Chinjao words never meant yonko = admiral
Chinjao was never admiral level even
Same way dR Luffy makes same statement

Wano Luffy only view yonko as the biggest threats
BM ,kaido , and other never hyper any Admiral as PK CHALLENGE or true challenge ne 1v1

 

[Uncle Van]

Chinjao words never meant yonko = admiral
Chinjao was never admiral level even
Same way dR Luffy makes same statement

Wano Luffy only view yonko as the biggest threats
BM ,kaido , and other never hyper any Admiral as PK CHALLENGE or true challenge ne 1v1

Never said anything about yonko=admiral. Completely missing the point.

 

[Iam25]

Notice how nobody actually has an answer? They just do irrelevant things like bring up Shiki and Roger lol or pretend there weren't 7 warlords even though in 2 different flashbacks in two different dates a decade or more prior they are referred to as the SEVEN warlords.

 

[JoNdule]

Because Pirates can run away

Spoiler: WB running away

Spoiler: BB pirates running away

As for Beast Pirates, Wano is a closed country so there's not much info about it. Akainu fears the "samurai strenght" which is based on Ryuma's legend.

I'm not saying Navy has power to destroy all Yonkos, of course not. But it's a fact that even if marines try to capture them, pirates can just run away.
Among the current Yonkos, probably only Kaido would face them.

Lol BM said "let them try stop me" on the phone to Kaido as Navy was listening
Navy couldn't stop her from reaching Wano

BM been emperor for decades, out and in of WCI
Kaido been emperor for over a decade, our and in of wano

WG fear fighting Kaido already and never tried invading WCI

 

[Uncle Van]

Lol BM said "let them try stop me" on the phone to Kaido as Navy was listening
Navy couldn't stop her from reaching Wano

BM been emperor for decades, out and in of WCI
Kaido been emperor for over a decade, our and in of wano

WG fear fighting Kaido already and never trued invading WCI

It was stated that BM knew that the Marines were occupied with the Reverie.

 

[JoNdule]

Funny on how people cling ti Chinjao words
When we get Great Pirates not bringing up any current admiral as people who can fight them or they must beat to be pirate

Even Shiki considers Sengoku and Garp weaklings
1v1 they couldn't beat him, 2v1 they struggled to win.

No current admiral rival any Yonko
Only Garp and Sengoku rivaled Great Pirates

 

[ConquistadoR]

No they aren't lol. No commander is being cut up by pretime skip Zoro. No commander is losing to an EAST blue rookie with no gears. Buggy.

An Emperor hyped for durability took damage from weaker bombs than what Alabasta Pell survived, stuff that would case zero damage to pre TS Smoker.

No commander is losing to an EAST blue rookie with no gears.

The same Warlord was placed on the same level as Ace, Jinbei and fucking Shiryu at Impel Down. Level 5 minimim bounty is 100 million, while Crocodile was placed in level 6. It's not that hard.

No it wasn't. Doflamingo was just talking trash. Even before Doflamingo said that Drake noticed the lack of marines in Saobody lol. And you do realize that's headcanon right? What did Sengoku say at the end of 552?

Sengoku's words which were nothing but hype for Whitebeard's DF ability and motivation for the military is taken as Gospel while Garp's words in an arc filled with exposition dump after dump is treated as headcanon.

@Van you're absolutely spot on with your previous post. Selective reading at it's finest.

Brooke didn't damage Big Mom. What a dumb comparison

Yes because she is durable while Shanks isn't. Meanwhile Brook, the same person who needed Sanji's help to beat the Headliner Sheepshead, made her look like a snail in comparision.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

That's after securing Ancient Weapons. Not before.


No I don't. Warlords are easily Commander tier on average, with the weakest of the lot, Moria, being atleast Veteran Tier. Not my problem if you can't powerscale.

Initially it was supposed to be just Whitebeard Pirates vs Warlords. What about that huh? They gathered so much force to overwhelmingly crush the Yonkou's forces, which is what they ended up doing.

Same fruitless BB was considered for the position of Division Commander? Same BB who almost broke Ace's neck with a single hit? We don't even know what happened between them in that encounter and moreover god knows what's up with Teach.

And it isn't half as bad as Meme being blitzed by Brook, fucking Brook who went toe to toe with Sheepshead the Headliner a single arc before.

The alliance had several purposes, Obtain ONE PIECE, conquer the world, and take the greatest power in this world, the ancient weapons.
It was never said in the manga that BIG MOM and KAIDO would need the ancient weapons to do this, the ancient weapons according to kaidou will bring fear and war to humanity, prepare yourselves this is the violent world we seek!!

It doesn't change my starting point, that they're going to get ONE PIECE, they're going to get the ancient weapons, and they're going to conquer the world all through the alliance of just 2 emperors.

 

[JoNdule]

It was stated that BM knew that the Marines were occupied with the Reverie.

She knee and she didn't care if NAVY try stopping her

She doesn't give a damn about Navy manpower or Admirals

 

[ConquistadoR]

The alliance had several purposes, Obtain ONE PIECE, conquer the world, and take the greatest power in this world, the ancient weapons.
It was never said in the manga that BIG MOM and KAIDO would need the ancient weapons to do this, the ancient weapons according to kaidou will bring fear and war to humanity, prepare yourselves this is the violent world we seek!!

It doesn't change my starting point, that they're going to get ONE PIECE, they're going to get the ancient weapons, and they're going to conquer the world all through the alliance of just
2 emperors.

And that proves my point. They NEED the Ancient Weapons to wage war against the world like they want to. They aren't targeting them for show.

 

[Uncle Van]

She knee and she didn't care if NAVY try stopping her

She doesn't give a damn about Navy manpower or Admirals

It was stated that she used an open wire because she knew the Marines couldn't do anything because of the Reverie.

Made up stuff to push power levels are irrelevant.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

And that proves my point. They NEED the Ancient Weapons to wage war against the world like they want to. They aren't targeting them for show.

It's more a matter of sense bro, now that they're allies it makes sense for them to go after the biggest sources of power in the world and get them for themselves, that's how world domination starts.

This is more of a strategic issue, the simple fact that they are moving to go after the ancient weapons is the beginning of world domination and it is a step that can generate wars for the ancient weapons unless the other organs sit idly by while this occurs.

 

[Zenos7]

Jfc. Its precisely why they gathered multiple warlords and admirals to fight against the WBP alone.

there were allied crews. it wasnt just the WBP alone. and even with the allied crews + the impel down escapees it was still overkill.

 

[Iam25]

Emperor hyped for durability took damage from weaker bombs than what Alabasta Pell survived, stuff that would case zero damage to pre TS Smoker.

Not even trying to hide the excessive bias. Those bombs were said to be able to kill anyone on Onigashima. Hell, wasn't Sanji unable to run away because of some tiny slave bombs lol? Oh wait.

The same Warlord was placed on the same level as Ace, Jinbei and fucking Shiryu at Impel Down. Level 5 minimim bounty is 100 million, while Crocodile was placed in level 6. It's not that hard.

He lost to an east blue rookie. Oh my god Luffy didn't even have gears then.

Sengoku's words which were nothing but hype for Whitebeard's DF ability and motivation for the military is taken as Gospel while Garp's words in an arc filled with exposition dump after dump is treated as headcanon.

@Van you're absolutely spot on with your previous post. Selective reading at it's finest

Because the context of Garps statements. The emperors aren't allied. Its not a hard statement.

Yes because she is durable while Shanks isn't. Meanwhile Brook, the same person who needed Sanji's help to beat the Headliner Sheepshead, made her look like a snail in comparision

Its part of their fighting style. BM doesn't give a shit and takes hits. Shanks is a mortal who can be injured by any fodder with a sword.

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there were allied crews. it wasnt just the WBP alone. and even with the allied crews + the impel down escapees it was still overkill.

No. The "allied" crews to Whitebeard are what the 30k men are to Kaido.

Whitebeard only has 1600 men proper. He can't handle 30k soldiers that Kaido has. And don't just call them fodder. We see them injuring Izo and Jinbei lol.

 

[Zenos7]

Oda saying Bullet can't prove he's the strongest without beating all the yonko and Admirals gets tossed aside as a non manga source.

im fine with this being tossed aside as i dont even know who bullet is.

 

[Finalbeta]

Whem it comes to the Warlords the likes of Mihawk and Weevil potentially stand above all yonko but not Weevil I think

As for the Marines in a 1v1 maybe always bet on the mighty Papazuki

But I think Teach might have already become the strongest yonko if anything even more potent than Kaido

 

[Zenos7]

No. The "allied" crews to Whitebeard are what the 30k men are to Kaido.

no, they are their own crews, with their own captains, own flags, everything. they were not part of the WBP.

 

[Iam25]

no, they are their own crews, with their own captains, own flags, everything. they were not part of the WBP.

So how does Whitebeard fight against the massive army Kaido has?

The answer is he can't. He uses those 43 extra crews to help fight against Kaido and other emperor crews.

Its really not a hard concept

 

[Uncle Van]

im fine with this being tossed aside as i dont even know who bullet is.

Lol Douglass Bullet the main villain and former Roger Pirate from the lastest/recent OP movie. Oda wrote the whole thing and said Bullet needs to beat them all to prove he the strongest.