General & Others If Kaido wasn't an emperor 20 or so years ago. Then doesn't that prove the 4 emperors = warlords/marines statement wrong?

Uncle Van

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#82
Lmao. Its literally established from day 1 that Whitebeard hates when people he cares about get hurt. This extends to friends and people from """"allied"""" crews like Squard as well.

And no, they discussed it, we literally see Marco talking about this in 999.

The reason they didn't was because of how many would lose their lives lol
WB didn't go after BB for killing Thatch under his nose either because of certain circumstances.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#85
The topic arguments: WB could sink the pirate island from afar, right, let's suppose he could do that, minimizing his losses as much as possible and killing almost all the BPs, so his main reason for not going to WANO would be resolved, but according to the CANONE of the manga we read, the WB, who thought several times along with the members of his crew about going or not to WANO, decided not to go to WANO because according to MARCO, the outcome of the battle was something indefinite and the losses would be great.

So somehow they assumed that the members of KAIDO+ could handle the WB HEADCANON of sinking the island of the beast pirates at long range,that's what the kaidou intelligence system at the entrance to the WANO country is for, to identify approaching threats and take measures to contain them.

"Bullet explained how to become the strongest, and that was defeating admirals and emperors", but WB never beat KAIDO, BIG MOM, SHANKS, Admiral GARP and SENGOKU and even KONG... and yet it became WSM.

"Oh but BIG MOM and KAIDO would need ancient weapons to conquer the world",

The world = Shanks, BB (two Yonkous), Marine + Ssg, Shichibukais, Government, Revolutionaries, countries that oppose, and indeed strategically speaking, getting the ancient weapons is the best option strategically, for anyone who reads KINGDOM and knows the basics of wars will quickly realize this.

Conquering the world means going over all of them and not just one organ,what the LARINES think is that the alliance of KAIDO and BM was being made precisely to destroy the navy and only that, that's the sad mentality they have.
 
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Uncle Van

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#86
That was called an exception actually.

There's a reason why you see members of WBs crew saying "let this ONE go"
So you supposedly get it then?

BB did something much worse than Kaido did, but WB didn't even chase after him immediately. He told Ace to let it go because he as a bad feeling about it, and we later found out that it was Void Century related.

The Oden stuff was similar but for some reason, it MUST be about power level? WB will attack anyone except Kaido for whatever undisclosed reason.
 
#87
So you supposedly get it then?

BB did something much worse than Kaido did, but WB didn't even chase after him immediately. He told Ace to let it go because he as a bad feeling about it, and we later found out that it was Void Century related.

The Oden stuff was similar but for some reason, it MUST be about power level? WB will attack anyone except Kaido for whatever undisclosed reason.
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Except we were literally given an explanation for the Oden one.

It was because too many lives would be lost.
 
#88
Kaido challenged the Marines and Yonko until he became one himself on his strength alone.

Think of the implications of that statement.

Kaido couldn't have challenged the "Yonko" if there weren't four of them to begin with.
 

Uncle Van

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#89
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Except we were literally given an explanation for the Oden one.

It was because too many lives would be lost.
So they are willing to give up many lives agaisnt the Marines but not Kaido? WB himself told his men that if they want to fight with him, they must be ready to die, and all the WBP would have been killed if Shanks never showed up.

And that Marco explanation was to get Ace to comply. In both instances, WB simply told Ace no. In the flashback, we learned that Oden wanted to deal with Wano alone without interference, and WB knows of its importance as well.

You need way too many assumptions, contradictions and neglecting of numerous statements to push the Kaido narrative.
 

Uncle Van

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#91
You know the implications
Yes I do, but you don't.

So they are willing for the whole crew to die to the Marines but not Kaido. The whole crew would have died agaisnt the Marines and already lost their captain and top officers before Shanks arrival. What's the difference? The crew is gone against either one under your logic. How come you single out Kaido to push your power level narrative?
 
#92
Yes I do, but you don't.

So they are willing for the whole crew to die to the Marines but not Kaido. The whole crew would have died agaisnt the Marines and already lost their captain and top officers before Shanks arrival. What's the difference? The crew is gone against either one under your logic. How come you single out Kaido to push your power level narrative?
Because Whitebeard didn't think his whole crew would die against the marines lol.

Otoh, he thinks way more of his crew would die against Kaido.

What are the implications of this?
 

Uncle Van

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#93
Because Whitebeard didn't think his whole crew would die against the marines lol.

Otoh, he thinks way more of his crew would die against Kaido.

What are the implications of this?
I thought headcanon wasn't allowed? When has WB stated or implied that more of his crew would die against Kaido? You completely made that up.

Twice WB has made an exception: twice it was related to the Void Century. But you requires all these contradictory hurdles to push this BP above Marines narrative.
 
#94
I thought headcanon wasn't allowed? When has WB stated or implied that more of his crew would die against Kaido? You completely made that up.

Twice WB has made an exception: twice it was related to the Void Century. But you requires all these contradictory hurdles to push this BP above Marines narrative.
Nah man. The gorosei straight up admit they are scared of Kaidos wrath lol.

The BP are above the marines.
 
#96
Oda literally called them the 7 warlords. He could have said, the "the first of the group to become seven warlords"
Yes that is their official name at the start of the series when all the members have joined and IF ACE joined them he wouldn't have called them 7 Warlords now will he? but instead the Hachibukai = 8 Warlords.

Also. Why does Jinbei call them the seven warlords in 624 if there are only 5 of them? Because I'm right about them being swapped out at various points.
Yes Well that is pretty easy to answer Jinbei is the last known member to have joined the Warlords 11 years ago Hancock joined 13 years ago etc etc. Again there is no such thing as You are right about them being swapped that is head canon. Until its proven we can only use facts of what we have. I am not even saying that the Name was not created as "Shichibukai" maybe their plan was to recruit 7 Pirates but it took them that long to do. That is a BIG maybe so we don't know that there is no proof but we know That the System was created and the Members joined over the years.


My man. A 19 year old Luffy will be stronger than a 39 year old Shanks. And Wb never called those duels legendary. He said other people called them legends. We don't even know how old he was during those duels. He could have been 25-27 during them.
My man yes ofc a 19 years old Luffy will be stronger than Shanks duh but Shanks start might have been waaaay easier since he knows the Peak of the likes of Roger and WB. Yes he said people called them legends but he also says what kind of enemy you gave your arm to. If he didn't think much of those 2 incidents he wouldn't have brought it up anyways even prior to those statements he praised him up by saying you have climbed far in the ladder which means Respect aka You are a Great Pirate now. And asking about who took his arm something that happened ages ago shows that even then everyone including him considered Shanks a Great Pirate.

Yes he was 25-27 during that time with Mihawk.


So why did the marines let two more emperors come into fruition? Now their hands are full and they can't even handle the revolutionary armies. Almost as if, the emperors are overall more powerful than the marines.
That is also false my man. You need to do some reading into Kaido's introduction. How many times was he captured beaten by the Marines and how many times was he put to be executed.


Nope. Shanks was not a great pirate befire meeting Luffy. That's headcanon.
Shanks became a great pirate at 33.
You denying the facts that WB and the World considering his duel with Mihawk Legendary and him returning from East Blue with 1 arm shocked the World as something small is Head Canon. Great Pirate does not mean Emperor. WB is a proof of that he held the Title of a Great Pirate and the Strongest Man for way too long before the Emperors was formed.

No Shanks became an Emperor at the age of 33. But he was Great Enough to be given such title alongside WB BM and Kaido.

Even if Shanks was yonko level in his 20s, his crew had to match. And his crew didn't match.
Oh wow... So now you know things we don't :milaugh::milaugh:. Read Chapter 1 my man Oda made it Pretty clear that him and his crew seemed waaay over powered by showing us Benny in a small scene and Luffy declaring he is gonna find a crew "Stronger" than Shanks crew. Its the Whole point of Chapter 1.

Agendas can lead one's to blindness very easily.

The balance of the great powers surely must have existed back then? If not, why didn't they wipe BM and Whitebeard out?
After Rocks defeat the Marines reigned supreme for a long time and from the flashback of Oden even WB ran away from the Marines. You keep stating your points as if the Marines were always the same. Think of their growth too they also needed to grow and they did. And again Kaido's introduction is very clear that the Marines are actively fighting them. Heck if BM in Fish man island told Luffy that Garp used to chase "her" which "could" mean that he kept going after her whenever he could but it could also mean when She was in Rocks.
 
#98
no, they are their own crews, with their own captains, own flags, everything. they were not part of the WBP.
Whitebeard's Allies are as much as part of his forces as the Grand Fleet is part of Luffy's... even if it's not 'official'. We even see at least one (Whitey Bay) who was a former Whitebeard Pirate as part of his allied forces.
 
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