Questions & Mysteries Is ashura an ability like Gorosei transformation/cerebrus?

#1
I think everyone here agrees that Gorosei and Cerebrus is not DF abilities.

My reason to think that is because,
  • Ashura is not an Illusion. Neither is Gorosei transformation.
  • They are extensions to their existing body, not a transformation.
- Gorosei do not transform like regular Zoan users. Rather like Smile fruit users where they are a extension of body with their own consciousness. Two separate conscious but still controlled by one.

Over here, Nasujuro real body is burning and pushed back while a new head popped up which bite sanji. That's like two Head existing at the same time (now ofc orochi df is exception) but that's entirely unseen in any Zoan user so far. They themselves transforms into the Zoan animal than summon the creature.
This is like smile fruit users.

I don't think Cerebrus is Zoan DF either. Most likely final abysmal mark is where this Ability is granted.

Because gunko, Kilin and Sommers fruit were clearly mentioned as " No mi " alongside their names.

Same as Zoro, when he turns into Ashura. Which is also called " Demon Aura ". " manifestation of his will ".

Zoro gains 4 more hands and 2 more head.
Zoro can control them, and they are not illusion which is already confirmed. Neither it's a case being so fast that he is creating afterimages of his hand or head.

(Which also begs the question if someone chopped Zoro arm (extra Ashura arm, would zoro loose his real hand or not.))
@nik87 @Blazing Lion @mly90 @Levi @Lor D. Coast @Shimotsuki Fenaker

While ofc Smile and powers given by imu is different. I just wanted to point out two consciousness in one body which shouldn't be possible with zoan fruits.

But Zoro and Gorosei abilities to seem alike where they are summoning the extra body parts and transformation entirely.
Imu granted this Ability to gorosei, whereas Zoro manifested it through sheer will alone. And we can ofc see the difference where Zoro can barely utilise it for more than a minute or so. But Gorosei can nearly spam the ability.

This " Demon Aura " Ashura or whatever Demon power system Imu uses is similar. Not only that " Grim reaper " which could be Enma is Also unexplained so far.

This could also add on abilities Shanks and Mihawk might have. Shanks having Gryphon and Mihawk already having Imu like eyes.

Though I don't even think that will considered even sword fight anymore. If they simply summon the beast and let them fights that's more like a Pokémon battle now lol.

But if they are enchanting themselves like Zoro, where is the doing the fighting with buffs. Or bigmom (just an example where her size increased as consumed her own life force to become bigger meme).
But if they simply letting sword Beast do the fighting that's pokemon at this point. Which cerebrus of Shamrock where he can let the beast do the job instead of him.
 
#2
The Gorosei's yokai forms are devil powers without the fruit.

Same for Cerberus, except in this case the devil was sealed inside a sword instead of being contracted to a living being.

Asura is comparable to neither. Zoro doesn't have access to the Abyss, nor did he make a deal with metaphysical entities to graft a devilish form onto his own.

Zoro manifests Asura through will alone. It's the haki that transcendes his limits as a one-headed, two-armed man, though I have no idea if Oda will place this realitywarping type of special haki into the three traditional categories of CoC, CoA, CoO, or if it's something separate, or if, even, it's something purer, a form of haki of a higher type, before it even differentiates into the three types.
 
#3
I'm of the opinion that Ashura will never fully be explained

It'll be one of those things that One Piece fans continue to question decades into the future

Though I'll admit there's a slight chance Nusjuro will comment on Ashura when he sees it

That's like the biggest chance Oda has to explain it. If Nusjuro who also has a cursed blade and weird devilish abilities doesn't comment on it/can't explain it then pretty much no one can
 
#4
I think everyone here agrees that Gorosei and Cerebrus is not DF abilities.

My reason to think that is because,
  • Ashura is not an Illusion. Neither is Gorosei transformation.
  • They are extensions to their existing body, not a transformation.
- Gorosei do not transform like regular Zoan users. Rather like Smile fruit users where they are a extension of body with their own consciousness. Two separate conscious but still controlled by one.

Over here, Nasujuro real body is burning and pushed back while a new head popped up which bite sanji. That's like two Head existing at the same time (now ofc orochi df is exception) but that's entirely unseen in any Zoan user so far. They themselves transforms into the Zoan animal than summon the creature.
This is like smile fruit users.

I don't think Cerebrus is Zoan DF either. Most likely final abysmal mark is where this Ability is granted.

Because gunko, Kilin and Sommers fruit were clearly mentioned as " No mi " alongside their names.

Same as Zoro, when he turns into Ashura. Which is also called " Demon Aura ". " manifestation of his will ".

Zoro gains 4 more hands and 2 more head.
Zoro can control them, and they are not illusion which is already confirmed. Neither it's a case being so fast that he is creating afterimages of his hand or head.

(Which also begs the question if someone chopped Zoro arm (extra Ashura arm, would zoro loose his real hand or not.))
@nik87 @Blazing Lion @mly90 @Levi @Lor D. Coast @Shimotsuki Fenaker

While ofc Smile and powers given by imu is different. I just wanted to point out two consciousness in one body which shouldn't be possible with zoan fruits.

But Zoro and Gorosei abilities to seem alike where they are summoning the extra body parts and transformation entirely.
Imu granted this Ability to gorosei, whereas Zoro manifested it through sheer will alone. And we can ofc see the difference where Zoro can barely utilise it for more than a minute or so. But Gorosei can nearly spam the ability.

This " Demon Aura " Ashura or whatever Demon power system Imu uses is similar. Not only that " Grim reaper " which could be Enma is Also unexplained so far.

This could also add on abilities Shanks and Mihawk might have. Shanks having Gryphon and Mihawk already having Imu like eyes.

Though I don't even think that will considered even sword fight anymore. If they simply summon the beast and let them fights that's more like a Pokémon battle now lol.

But if they are enchanting themselves like Zoro, where is the doing the fighting with buffs. Or bigmom (just an example where her size increased as consumed her own life force to become bigger meme).
But if they simply letting sword Beast do the fighting that's pokemon at this point. Which cerebrus of Shamrock where he can let the beast do the job instead of him.
I'm of the opinion that Ashura will never fully be explained

It'll be one of those things that One Piece fans continue to question decades into the future

Though I'll admit there's a slight chance Nusjuro will comment on Ashura when he sees it

That's like the biggest chance Oda has to explain it. If Nusjuro who also has a cursed blade and weird devilish abilities doesn't comment on it/can't explain it then pretty much no one can
Opinions on this?
(Which also begs the question if someone chopped Zoro arm (extra Ashura arm, would zoro loose his real hand or not.))
 
#11
I don’t think it would matter as long as his original hand is still there

Since the extra arms/heads are mere “copies”

I think if we do get an explanation then it’ll be linked to haki in some type of way (willpower)

But I’d say Zoro fans maybe should be excited since it’s heavily implied Zoro’s weird green flames/smoke have something to do with his odd ties to the Underworld too

It’s possible that Oda’s been building up to a crazy reveal that we’ll get at some point in the final saga. I wouldn’t hold my breath but it’s very possible
 
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