Character Discussion Is Luffy too special and become outlier in OP world?

[Monster Luffy]

He does have insane growth rate but he isn't the only one here and he did train quite a lot with haki specialists. And he is the son and grand son of 2 of the strongest characters of the verse. Garp and Dragon were most likely already top tier in their 20's.

He has willpower since day 1, didn't stop him to get his ass kicked sometimes. What is bothering people is that now that he is stronger he can fight for a long period of time other strong characters and god forbides that. Only a few characters selected by the fandom should be able to do that
He has to become a top tier at some point or we are going to get these same complaints in every fight till the end.

Regarding his luck, I don't find him particularly lucky. Well he is sometimes but in Wano for example I haven't really seen that luck.

Exactly. And this fellow using ZORO of all people as an example is extremely hilarious. Zoro doing unimaginable things makes him 'godly, built different blah blah' but someone else does especially Luffy, then copium threads pop up everywhere.

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Nah... What is bothering people is that he ruins the fights and turns them into jokes without any consequences.
Pulling stunts like GUTS! belongs in Looney Toons, not in One Piece...
Being knocked out clean by Ragnarok and stands up chapter and a half later as if nothing happened plus was enlightened during the KO.
Kaido, the strongest character with special body, with special Zoan, awakened recovery wont stand up that fast and that unaffected.
He has singlehandedly managed to turn this whole fight into a joke with 2 scenes.

Dude, then Zoro got roasted by lightening attack 'clean' and he is normal human and didn't even block that attack but somehow he was fine. GUTS was nothing before this. I am sorry but Luffy is anything but unaffected.

And it bothers only people who are hardcore Zoro fans aka Luffy haters as evident from this thread.

 

[Finalbeta]

It boils down to the definition of outlier.

Luffy may factually have been born as a prodige since first of all he's a D. and there's some chance the most prominent D. so that is most probably related with destiny of some sort. Second he was also born with CoC and he doesn't strike like a common CoC user at all, for now, assuming this precise classifications are even correct and we can muster them together.

And he's the MC, so factually the character that odds wise may feature the strongest CIS/PIS potential plot wise.

His paramecia is also such an underrated devil fruit.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Nah... What is bothering people is that he ruins the fights and turns them into jokes without any consequences.
Pulling stunts like GUTS! belongs in Looney Toons, not in One Piece...
Being knocked out clean by Ragnarok and stands up chapter and a half later as if nothing happened plus was enlightened during the KO.
Kaido, the strongest character with special body, with special Zoan, awakened recovery wont stand up that fast and that unaffected.
He has singlehandedly managed to turn this whole fight into a joke with 2 scenes.

Still mad I see that Luffy will indeed 1v1 Kaido for the most part. It will go away with time

 

[nik87]

Dude, then Zoro got roasted by lightening attack 'clean' and he is normal human and didn't even block that attack but somehow he was fine. GUTS was nothing before this. I am sorry but Luffy is anything but unaffected.

And it bothers only people who are hardcore Zoro fans aka Luffy haters as evident from this thread.

Everyone got roasted by lightning attack and was fine. Nami has been roasting people with lightning the whole time and they were fine.
Lightning damage has never affected Zoro too much, even against Enel when he was completely exhausted from previous fights he took 3 attacks from god of lightning. And there were consequences, each hit has heavily affected Zoro. Big Mom's lightning is nowhere close to Enel's and this is much stronger Zoro than before. The other 3 didnt feel it either so it is not a Zoro issue.

No, it bothers people who want good fights. It is not like Oda didnt give him the tools to avoid heat breath in a more plausible way, whether through future sight or through haki blast barrier, instead he chose to do nothing but just stand there. He has the tools to defend and doesnt use them, that is the problem that Luffy brings to the fights and makes them look like jokes.
Zoro blocks Hakai and pays the price, his body is broken. Luffy eats Borobreath and Ragnarok. What happens? Here's another PU, son.
You cant convince me that you like what Luffy does to these fights no matter how hard you stan him.

Still mad I see that Luffy will indeed 1v1 Kaido for the most part. It will go away with time

I didnt expect a better answer when faced with facts about how Luffy ruins fights. Facts will not change no matter the amount of denial.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

That's how the main characters are, they're more special than anyone else even if they aren't born special. You gotta learn to deal with it. lmao@people trying to justify Luffy using Zoro. Zoro has the biggest plot armor after Luffy but the shit he pulls off isn't even comparable to what Luffy can do with his plot armor.

 

[Hades]

That's how the main characters are, they're more special than anyone else even if they aren't born special. You gotta learn to deal with it. lmao@people trying to justify Luffy using Zoro. Zoro has the biggest plot armor after Luffy but the shit he pulls off isn't even comparable to what Luffy can do with his plot armor.

It doesn't really matter.....the point is when you non-dimensionalize everything falls into one line....either go with open eye/close eye for every character or criticize everyone....you can't just pick and choose... it is not as if Luffy soloing the verse with his planet level attacks with so called "plot armor" he got....

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I didnt expect a better answer when faced with facts about how Luffy ruins fights. Facts will not change no matter the amount of denial.

And no denial will change the fact that you are biased towards Luffy. It didn't bother you that law was still conscious after Thunder Bagua or that he was still conscious after he has his arm cut by Doffy and full of bullets. It didnt't bother you that after getting a hundreds of cuts by sharp objects against Mr1 Zoro was still standing and his power up was just "I need to be stronger" and so he did become stronger. How different is that from Luffy? Usopp got his skull cracked multiple times and was still conscious.
This shit happens all the time in One Piece but it annoys people only when it's Luffy who benefits from it, he does more often because he is the MC.

You had your headcanon about how the fight will proceed, you're mad because it's Luffy who you hate that will shine the more. That's it and it's fine. I'd be mad if Kidd for example would be the one dealing the more damage to Kaido. By the way did you complain when Kidd somehow injured Kaido by smashing him into the ground when same Kaido didn't feel anything after a fall from 10000 meters. Isn't that plot?

 

[RYNO]

Yes fighting for many hours is very unique , only if we had example of characters fighting for days that would be something.

Or learning how to use their DF only hours after eating them with great effect like Kaku and Kalifa.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

It doesn't really matter.....the point is when you non-dimensionalize everything falls into one line....either go with open eye/close eye for every character or criticize everyone....you can't just pick and choose... it is not as if Luffy soloing the verse with his planet level attacks with so called "plot armor" he got....

You can't treat a robber and a murderer the same way just because they both can be generalized as criminals. Some criminals are more dangerous than others. This applies to any given discipline. Likewise, Every character has plot armor but some have bigger plot armors than others. Luffy's armor happened to be unreasonably bigger than the others, and there is no harm in admitting it.

 

[nik87]

And no denial will change the fact that you are biased towards Luffy. It didn't bother you that law was still conscious after Thunder Bagua or that he was still conscious after he has his arm cut by Doffy and full of bullets. It didnt't bother you that after getting a hundreds of cuts by sharp objects against Mr1 Zoro was still standing and his power up was just "I need to be stronger" and so he did become stronger. How different is that from Luffy? Usopp got his skull cracked multiple times and was still conscious.
This shit happens all the time in One Piece but it annoys people only when it's Luffy who benefits from it, he does more often because he is the MC.

You had your headcanon about how the fight will proceed, you're mad because it's Luffy who you hate that will shine the more. That's it and it's fine. I'd be mad if Kidd for example would be the one dealing the more damage to Kaido. By the way did you complain when Kidd somehow injured Kaido by smashing him into the ground when same Kaido didn't feel anything after a fall from 10000 meters. Isn't that plot?

You keep thinking that I am mad because of how the fight will proceed while the fight proceeds exactly how I expected it, lol.
Nothing to do with how the fight proceeds, Zoro already has proven what he had to prove against Kaido and he will kill him later on.
I got all I asked for, even far more than what I asked for, I got things that will never get surpassed. Zoro owns the feat game now.

Back to Luffy. It doesnt bother me that Law is conscious because Zoro is conscious too, despite being in a far worse state than Law.
They are clearly tougher than Luffy and can endure that shit. Luffy on the other hand gets knocked out cold and wakes up seconds later. Either endure it or dont wake up. It makes it look as if there are no consequences for Luffy. Zoro and Law pay the price for it.

Why would Law not be conscious after getting his arm cut off? That is not a knockout move, lol. He paid the price for being shot full of bullets, serious injuries and prevented him from fighting further, just like how Hakai prevents Zoro to continue the fight.
What are the consequences of welcoming Borobreath with open arms and eating Ragnarok? Nothing, gets even rewarded for being KO. You cant tell me that shit is the same as anything else, this is worse than snowflake treatment.

I dont even want to start with his cringy grinning which follows up with him literally getting knocked out cold seconds later. It is literally as if a character from Looney Toons were to step in. Mr1's blades were shallow, never had the potential to damage Zoro too deep. Zoro was never knocked out and came up with revelation of a power-up. Usopp was never knocked out from it and wasnt rewarded with a PU. The GUTS is by far the worst moment of the fight, literally zero consequences and turns the fight into a joke.

Luffy: You guys need to keep dodging? Zolo you can do Kinemon's technique to deal with fire attacks? Cool! I too can deal with fire!
Zolo: How?
Luffy: I just do nothing.
Zolo and everyone else: *facepalm*

Standing in front of lightning attacks and doing nothing is plausible, been done before and by many other characters and Luffy has special immunity against it. Standing in front of fire-based attacks and doing nothing while others are either dodging or learning anti-techniques to defend against it is straight-up ridiculous. Especially considering the fact that fire is a weakness of rubber.

The "best" part is that shit is just starting. Katakuri fight was ruined by plot armor, this will probably even surpass it.
Luckily, he had no part in it whenever Zoro and Kaido faced off in 1vs1. It didnt stain Zoro's part, that's one good thing about it.
The only thing left for him to top the BS so far is to tank Ikoku and say GUTS! Will it happen?

 

[Zowo]

You keep thinking that I am mad because of how the fight will proceed while the fight proceeds exactly how I expected it, lol.
Nothing to do with how the fight proceeds, Zoro already has proven what he had to prove against Kaido and he will kill him later on.
I got all I asked for, even far more than what I asked for, I got things that will never get surpassed. Zoro owns the feat game now.

Back to Luffy. It doesnt bother me that Law is conscious because Zoro is conscious too, despite being in a far worse state than Law.
They are clearly tougher than Luffy and can endure that shit. Luffy on the other hand gets knocked out cold and wakes up seconds later. Either endure it or dont wake up. It makes it look as if there are no consequences for Luffy. Zoro and Law pay the price for it.

Why would Law not be conscious after getting his arm cut off? That is not a knockout move, lol. He paid the price for being shot full of bullets, serious injuries and prevented him from fighting further, just like how Hakai prevents Zoro to continue the fight.
What are the consequences of welcoming Borobreath with open arms and eating Ragnarok? Nothing, gets even rewarded for being KO. You cant tell me that shit is the same as anything else, this is worse than snowflake treatment.

I dont even want to start with his cringy grinning which follows up with him literally getting knocked out cold seconds later. It is literally as if a character from Looney Toons were to step in. Mr1's blades were shallow, never had the potential to damage Zoro too deep. Zoro was never knocked out and came up with revelation of a power-up. Usopp was never knocked out from it and wasnt rewarded with a PU. The GUTS is by far the worst moment of the fight, literally zero consequences and turns the fight into a joke.

Luffy: You guys need to keep dodging? Zolo you can do Kinemon's technique to deal with fire attacks? Cool! I too can deal with fire!
Zolo: How?
Luffy: I just do nothing.
Zolo and everyone else: *facepalm*

Standing in front of lightning attacks and doing nothing is plausible, been done before and by many other characters and Luffy has special immunity against it. Standing in front of fire-based attacks and doing nothing while others are either dodging or learning anti-techniques to defend against it is straight-up ridiculous. Especially considering the fact that fire is a weakness of rubber.

The "best" part is that shit is just starting. Katakuri fight was ruined by plot armor, this will probably even surpass it.
Luckily, he had no part in it whenever Zoro and Kaido faced off in 1vs1. It didnt stain Zoro's part, that's one good thing about it.
The only thing left for him to top the BS so far is to tank Ikoku and say GUTS! Will it happen?

good read
i see only facts there nik :cheers:

 

[Hades]

You can't treat a robber and a murderer the same way just because they both can be generalized as criminals. Some criminals are more dangerous than others. This applies to any given discipline. Likewise, Every character has plot armor but some have bigger plot armors than others. Luffy's armor happened to be unreasonably bigger than the others, and there is no harm in admitting it.

Wrong comparison. More suitable one is both are robbers but one robbed 100 rs and another one robbed 200 rs.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Why would Law not be conscious after getting his arm cut off? That is not a knockout move, lol. He paid the price for being shot full of bullets, serious injuries and prevented him from fighting further, just like how Hakai prevents Zoro to continue the fight.
What are the consequences of welcoming Borobreath with open arms and eating Ragnarok? Nothing, gets even rewarded for being KO. You cant tell me that shit is the same as anything else, this is worse than snowflake treatment.

Except he still fought Doffy and Trebol after all that. And Zoro is not out, he will fight again in some time. So what is it? his broken bones suddenly patched themselves together?
So what if Luffy got knocked out, is he supposed to stay out for hours? Characters fight with broken bones, cracked skull, a limb missing but Luffy can't wake up after a few minutes where he was unconscious from one attack? And he can gain a power up because of that?

He isn't ruining the fight for me anyway, I'm starting to enjoy it even more now that it is going to be a 1v1 which is always better for a final fight.

I partially agree with the Katakuri fight, it wasn't always enjoyable because of the gap (FS was a mistake and already got retconed). That makes me a bit worried for the following events but if Luffy can hit Kaido consistently and damage him, the fight will be more even and more enjoyable.

 

[Rokayder]

You can't treat a robber and a murderer the same way just because they both can be generalized as criminals. Some criminals are more dangerous than others. This applies to any given discipline. Likewise, Every character has plot armor but some have bigger plot armors than others. Luffy's armor happened to be unreasonably bigger than the others, and there is no harm in admitting it.

There is harm if people used it to benefit their agenda, to hate MC because he outshine their favourite and I find it really funny. They biased only towards Luffy, but hey they have to endure it because no matter what this is luffy's story', not Zoro.

 

[nik87]

Except he still fought Doffy and Trebol after all that. And Zoro is not out, he will fight again in some time. So what is it? his broken bones suddenly patched themselves together?
So what if Luffy got knocked out, is he supposed to stay out for hours? Characters fight with broken bones, cracked skull, a limb missing but Luffy can't wake up after a few minutes where he was unconscious from one attack? And he can gain a power up because of that?

He isn't ruining the fight for me anyway, I'm starting to enjoy it even more now that it is going to be a 1v1 which is always better for a final fight.
I partially agree with the Katakuri fight, it wasn't always enjoyable because of the gap (FS was a mistake and already got retconed). That makes me a bit worried for the following events but if Luffy can hit Kaido consistently and damage him, the fight will be more even and more enjoyable.

Law changed his body with a double to avoid critical damage. He was riddled with bullets before the final fight, he had time to recover.
His condition constantly got worse because there are consequences for him which doesnt happen with Luffy.
No, his bones wont patch themselves, they dont need to. Zoro is capable of besting the hybrid form WSC with his bones broken.
Zoro pays the price for the injuries, collapses on his own.

He isnt supposed to stay knocked out? What is he? A zoan with ridiculous recovery? Are you confusing his abilities with Kaido's or what?
Seems like Luffy has better capabilities than mythical mother of all Zoans, unless someone decapitates him he will stand up, huh?
Nobody is getting a PU for getting knocked out, lmao. Why are you even defending it?

He is ruining it, due to stunts like GUTS, especially considering that Oda gave him tools to avoid ridiculousness like that.
However, now that Zoro leads the feat game, I guess Luffy fans will swallow anything Oda does... Thirst is real...
I seriously hope it ends up better than vs Katakuri, if not, Zoro cant kill him soon enough.

 

[Kucing Pencuri]

Or Luffy clearly tougher than Zoro and can endure that shit.

 

[Maupp]

Lost me when you used Zoro as an example.

Zoro hasn't even took half the Ls that Luffy or Sanji took especially pretimeskip.

He literally made a promises to never lose again which he rarely doss

But at least Zoro is being pitted against opponents weaker than him so he can wash them. Him being undefeated post skip has nothing to do with plot armor but more to do with being given opponents realistic enough for him to go undefeated.

Luffy on the other hand is winning against opponents far superior to him via ridiculous plot armor. Guys that were twice or more times more powerful than Luffy get defeated by him few hours later because of his "will power" aka plot.

Heck just look at the Roof fight. While Zoro was given extra ordinary feats, he still reached his limits and once he hit that he dropped. Now compare that to Luffy who just took a Ragnaruku point blank. He simply took a small nap and he's back running even stronger.

That kind of of plot armor is what makes all his fights, especially post skip extra meh for many people.

 

[uyuu]

Luffy nibba built different, even Oda was finally tired of constantly giving Luffy plot restriction like gimmick exhaustion when Elephant Gattling-ed Noah or G4 side effect lol now Oda said okay its finally time for homie to be as strong as he actually is and he just received Ragnarok in the nut and said

My boy getting outta the timeskip as strong as YCs Oda must nerf him by Cracker and Enraged army before he fight Katakuri

 

[Maupp]

That's how the main characters are, they're more special than anyone else even if they aren't born special. You gotta learn to deal with it. lmao@people trying to justify Luffy using Zoro. Zoro has the biggest plot armor after Luffy but the shit he pulls off isn't even comparable to what Luffy can do with his plot armor.

Please don't put Zoro in the same stratosphere or sentence with Luffy regarding this matter.

Oda wanks Zoro via making him in good situations like pitting him against weaker opponents than him so he can wash them and look cool in the process, which is basically what has happened the whole of post skip.

Luffy get pitted against far superior foes and win anyways regardless of how vastly superior they were compared to him. Just pure plot armor in Luffy's case.

Roof fight illustrates it perfectly. Zoro blocks Hakkai for a moment but the blowback is so strong that he get damaged heavily. This instance both shows a cool protrayal of Zoro and some Oda wanking but at the same time it also gave us a realistic outcome and consequences of Zoro's actions and the price he paid for all that coolness. His body got completely wrecked.

Now here is Luffy's side of things. Takes a Ragnaruku point blank, ungarded and what does he get? A short nap for a few panels then comes back with a power up. Utterly unrealistic and devoid of any tension we got from Zoro's situation.

And when comparing the 2 cases, the Zoro's bout comes off better, more refreshing and intriguing compared to Luffy once again for the thousandth time walking off attacks that should have buried him which makes his fights bland, repetitive borefest.

They're okay when you're younger but OP being as long as it is, people simply outgrow the shounen scenarios written for 10 years old with Luffy's fights.

The Rooftop battle interest has dropped since it's been turned to yet another typical Luffy's final fight which bores loads of people out of their minds.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Please don't put Zoro in the same stratosphere or sentence with Luffy regarding this matter.

Oda wanks Zoro via making him in good situations like pitting him against weaker opponents than him so he can wash them and look cool in the process, which is basically what has happened the whole of post skip.

Luffy get pitted against far superior foes and win anyways regardless of how vastly superior they were compared to him. Just pure plot armor in Luffy's case.

Roof fight illustrates it perfectly. Zoro blocks Hakkai for a moment but the blowback is so strong that he get damaged heavily. This instance both shows a cool protrayal of Zoro and some Oda wanking but at the same time it also gave us a realistic outcome and consequences of Zoro's actions and the price he paid for all that coolness. His body got completely wrecked.

Now here is Luffy's side of things. Takes a Ragnaruku point blank, ungarded and what does he get? A short nap for a few panels then comes back with a power up. Utterly unrealistic and devoid of any tension we got from Zoro's situation.

And when comparing the 2 cases, the Zoro's bout comes off better, more refreshing and intriguing compared to Luffy once again for the thousandth time walking off attacks that should have buried him which makes his fights bland, repetitive borefest.

They're okay when you're younger but OP being as long as it is, people simply outgrow the shounen scenarios written for 10 years old.

Bruh that's literally what I was saying in my post.