Questions & Mysteries Is The progression of the crew in Wano too Fast?

#1
The Strawhats seem to growing at an exponential rate in this one arc. Even more so than they did all of pre timeskip combined

Luffy:

He literally Struggled like hell against Big Moms Commanders Needed help in both fights, and most likely would have lost without the conveiniences.




Now an arc later He's gained the future sight ability+Ryuo technique and Has conquerors haki coating on top of that. Damaging Kaio in Base as well as exchanging blows.



But Honestly Luffy isn't that bad considering we've seen him display his abiltiies in 1v1 fights against strong characters. Although it was incredibly fast he learned and trained to gain the abilities he has.


2. Zoro:

He has defeated multiple low tier opponents Never had a fight against a Commander tier opponent.

But now he has Odens Sword On top of and potentially scared Kaido using conquerors haki coating. And is likely about to Fight King a 1st Commander.




Sanji:

Previously Somewhat Struggled against characters in a similar tier to what we now call Tobi Roppo. He wasnt below them but It didnt seem he could defeat them easily in a straightup 1v1 fight. And losing pretty easily to a charcater on a relative tier to Kaidos Commanders. Sanji never even got to have an actual 1v1 fight to display his abilities, He essentially went from a bunch of inconclusive clashes with mid/ high tier characters.




To currently Fighting a Yonko Commander 1v1 without the use of his powerup.
While it is very cool, its crazy when you think about Luffy in WCI.


Nami:

Was previously too incompetent to handle raging army characters.




But now has the power to stand up against and defeat Tobi Roppo members much stronger than the raging army characters,
Big Mom had to intervene but still.....Even after big moms interference Oda still made nami stronger by giving her an upgraded Zeus.





Robin:

Hasnt had a fight in 18 years
Very little action post timeskip
Her and Usopp kind of got out manevured by trebol and sugar.

Usopp still got his moment but again it leaves a bit to be desired from a combat standpoint, same for Robin.

Brook has never really had a real fight period, He and Chopper lost to Perospero


Now Robin and Brook who needed to be saved from competent people before are fighting against Black Maria a Tobi Roppo, and will likely end up winning somehow..



Usopps Role currently remains unknown........

Franky:

Went from tag teaming Baby 5 and Buffalo with Nami and Usopp and fighting Senior Pink, very low ranking members of doffys crew,

To Seemingly defeating Sasaki a Tobi Roppo in a Yonko Crew 1v1 in somewhat Mid Difficulty for the most part.



Now we could just say maybe Oda Has been saving the crews real strength/ abiltiies since the Timeskip, but even if that was the case, how do we fell about that?




And mind you luffys crew is fighting characters who should be on a similar tier to ones luffy has fought not too long ago unlike pre timeskip.



But yea.....Is The Growth of the crew too fast/rushed in Wano? or does the growth feel natural?

 
#4
Luffy, Zoro maybe
Sanji and Nami no, both got significant powerups. Plus you make it far too easy, against raging army, she was against many noteworthy opponents, which is a dealbreaker for someone like her who can dish out but cant take any attacks.

The mid trio did not progress at all, people were just bullshitting and underestimating them, which i have been saying since Dressrosa, among others.
Cant now claim its a surprise when many already estimated them to be this strong.
 

Seth

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#5
The Strawhats seem to growing at an exponential rate in this one arc. Even more so than they did all of pre timeskip combined

Luffy:

He literally Struggled like hell against Big Moms Commanders Needed help in both fights, and most likely would have lost without the conveiniences.




Now an arc later He's gained the future sight ability+Ryuo technique and Has conquerors haki coating on top of that. Damaging Kaio in Base as well as exchanging blows.



But Honestly Luffy isn't that bad considering we've seen him display his abiltiies in 1v1 fights against strong characters. Although it was incredibly fast he learned and trained to gain the abilities he has.


2. Zoro:

He has defeated multiple low tier opponents Never had a fight against a Commander tier opponent.

But now he has Odens Sword On top of and potentially scared Kaido using conquerors haki coating. And is likely about to Fight King a 1st Commander.




Sanji:

Previously Somewhat Struggled against characters in a similar tier to what we now call Tobi Roppo. He wasnt below them but It didnt seem he could defeat them easily in a straightup 1v1 fight. And losing pretty easily to a charcater on a relative tier to Kaidos Commanders. Sanji never even got to have an actual 1v1 fight to display his abilities, He essentially went from a bunch of inconclusive clashes with mid/ high tier characters.




To currently Fighting a Yonko Commander 1v1 without the use of his powerup.
While it is very cool, its crazy when you think about Luffy in WCI.


Nami:

Was previously too incompetent to handle raging army characters.




But now has the power to stand up against and defeat Tobi Roppo members much stronger than the raging army characters,
Big Mom had to intervene but still.....Even after big moms interference Oda still made nami stronger by giving her an upgraded Zeus.





Robin:

Hasnt had a fight in 18 years
Very little action post timeskip
Her and Usopp kind of got out manevured by trebol and sugar.

Usopp still got his moment but again it leaves a bit to be desired from a combat standpoint, same for Robin.

Brook has never really had a real fight period, He and Chopper lost to Perospero


Now Robin and Brook who needed to be saved from competent people before are fighting against Black Maria a Tobi Roppo, and will likely end up winning somehow..



Usopps Role currently remains unknown........

Franky:

Went from tag teaming Baby 5 and Buffalo with Nami and Usopp and fighting Senior Pink, very low ranking members of doffys crew,

To Seemingly defeating Sasaki a Tobi Roppo in a Yonko Crew 1v1 in somewhat Mid Difficulty for the most part.



Now we could just say maybe Oda Has been saving the crews real strength/ abiltiies since the Timeskip, but even if that was the case, how do we fell about that?




And mind you luffys crew is fighting characters who should be on a similar tier to ones luffy has fought not too long ago unlike pre timeskip.



But yea.....Is The Growth of the crew too fast/rushed in Wano? or does the growth feel natural?

There is no too fast progression anywhere.

Franky is always a 50/50 because he will be more relevant the more Vegapunk stuff is revealed.

Zoro and Luffy are the main force in the war and it was known since the beginning of the raid.

Jinbe doing Jinbe things.

Lanji was predicted to get sent to fight Queen.

Rest of the straw hats are running on incredible plot armor.
 
#6
Their progression growing too fast is an understatement. In the past 10-12 years, Oda preferred to develop side filler characters than the straw hats and this is the results of that neglect. You would think after 25 years of writing and over 1000+ chapters, that it would be enough time devoted in development but nope.
 
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#11
No it's fine. Sometimes people confuse hype with power level, all out Sanji would have killed Vergo, Zoro could murder any opponent he faced besides Fujitora who was an admiral.
Luffy had to be nerfed and got some bad match ups in order for him to progress in haki and long fights because of the "haki blooming process".
The other straw hats didn't really have a fight so we can't know for sure how strong they were.
So they're doing fine in Wano because they're just stronger or really close to their opponents. Not to mention the power ups some of them got
 
#15
I’d say it lines up with what we have seen so far.

Luffy has always had an insane growth rate as well has all straw hats however, Luffy never really struggled to hard against Cracker I don’t think he would’ve lost without nami he just would’ve found a different way to win.

Zoro has been fighting and been very impressive in the new world then with the insane power boost of Enma to increase his attack power he should be able to fight most commanders

Sanji has also been fighting post timeskip the downside is he’s been doing so at a disadvantage. If he wasn’t injured against Vergo he would’ve given him the Yonji effect same with if judge didn’t hide behind bystanders. Plus with his raid suit he’s a serious thing to be reckoned with.

Frankys always as strong as his tech and prep time. There’s a reason that pacifistas and science was able to replace warlords in the World government.

Robin just isn’t a fighter she doesn’t seem to enjoy it as much so she fights less. This will just be the first time we see her genuinely pissed off against a strong enemy since skypeia

Brook comes and goes his abilities and strength seem to be dependent on who he fights.

You can’t count Usopp and Nami out those two are clutch as hell and will come out on top when the going gets tough.
 
#16
I dont know whether you will understand it or not,
Dont know if my wording can help to clear what I am about to say:

Oda holds back characters, he do not have vast options to keep spamming new type of powers. He has limited resource:

1)CoO, CoA, CoC
2) DF, DF that can be dealt with by Haki, and DF users that are nerfed or too old to use their true potential.


At this point, everything is plot driven. There is no logic.
If he shows a fight, he risks losing all of his cards. BigMom cant go all out, Kaido cant go all out etc. Because it will kill the hype, or otherwise his finite resources of different powers will run out.

For example, Demon Slayer had clear abilities (elemental). They are easy to handle. But Oda's power system is not diverse.
Having 2 contrasting power systems is also a problem.
On top of it, he has variants of DFs, Ace's fire abilities, Oven's heating ability, Kaido's boro breath, Luffy's Red Hawk, and Sanji's flames.

All we see is:
1) Fire element (many users)
2) Haki + shockwaves (many users)
3) Cloud/lightning (BigMom, Nami, Enel)
4) Luffy's rubber abilities + Katakuri's mochi
Or maybe more

Writing 1 sentence in 100 different languages does not make it new.

Now, you can connect these points with this thread.

I believe that SHs should have became strong after Time skip. Oda held them back, because if he did not, how would he continue to write 1000+ chapter with no end to the story in sight.
The power creep is imminent now.
And I am ok with it, because somehow story is progressing in the right way now.
 
#18
Oda doesn't like to draw fights , OP is not action manga , all this crap excuses are now old.
Just accept it , Oda may be is a good story teller but far below when if comes to architect , write power development of characters
 
#19
In my opinion
Pre time skip = perfect writing / plot, everything is balance between fighting scene and story
Post time skip = plot > everything


Im not surprise if somehow in the future nami will one shotted katarina devon without haki
Or usopp will beat augur with just plants
It will be lame, but oda being oda

I think i already accepted that post time skip writing isnt great anymore, oda will try to finish one piece as fast as possible

To me the only things i care about one piece are zoro and the ending of OP itself, the rest is just a bonus,....
 
#20
I’d say it lines up with what we have seen so far.

Luffy has always had an insane growth rate as well has all straw hats however, Luffy never really struggled to hard against Cracker I don’t think he would’ve lost
Where was his insane growth rate during his training?

One could quote Ray saying power blooms in real fights. But, is not that just for plot's sake?

Dont you think Luffy growth in those 2 years is being undermined by in-fight power ups?
 
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