Questions & Mysteries Kaido dodged Luffy's Red, Did Kaido underestimate Zoro's Asura?

#41
I'm not going to blame people too much for misreading that part and thinking Kaido just did his usual tank job.

I blame Oda who did a poor job illustrating that whole sequence because he was rushing to get to the Luffy's part. Oda should have given Ashura at least even 2 more pages and it'd have been much better.

Oda wanted to reveal Ashura(after 500 chapters), Kaido attacking, Zoro parrying then countering him all in 1 double spread. No wonder the execution looked messy and some people missed certain things. I myself missed the part where Kaido attacked Ashura Zoro and the latter parrying the first time. I caught that bit later.

This is all on Oda, he couldn't even go a single chapter of Rooftop without Luffy dominating it and had to rush through everyone else so he could quickly get back to him.
 
#42
ofc. zoro asura proven didn't even budge kaido on contrary kaido already knew how devastating the red rock/ hawk. zoro expects it at least cause kaido down while reality showed it doesn't even put kaido on his knee.

luffy simple attack like red hawk/rock are more effective and has more damage than zoro's strongest attack like azura. this chapter proves it on how dangerous and strong luffy become. the guy already using 3 adv haki while none on sh nor any supernova displayed or use even 1 type of adv haki. he clearly hundred miles away from the rest and stand on his own league.
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Kaiddo tried to atack Zoro at the same time, Zoro won a confrontation against a yonko.
:goyea:
last thing I check it was zoro who laying on the floor then get thunder bagua'd.
zoro doesnt win anything. that's why there is luffy there to win things like Ussual.
 
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#43
Yes, pretty much.
As for why, easy, Zoro's AP is not relevant for Kaido like it was showed in chapter 1008



The only one doing relevant damage was Luffy with his Adv CoA. He was the one who never stopped, who treated them like human (since he could feel that he was doing damage). Well, Law should have done damage as well but he was constantly nerfed with his ability, we saw in this chapter that his DF is op and can damage easily Kaido, Oda even didn't use GK anymore lmao



He again was triggered because of Enma probably:


And that's why he attacked, but still, he didn't go all out since he could have done the Thunder Bagua (instead of a simple club hit) and Zoro would be done without being able to do the Asura.


And damn, now that I see the scan of Red Hawk, the difference between Luffy and the others is insane lmao.
I was saying Red Roc with Adv CoA > all SN attacks
Now is, Red Roc with Adv CoA > Red Hawk with Adv CoA > all SN attack (except from Law's Injection and GK)
We can only put Asura above Red Hawk, but not Red Roc lmaooo (Zoro himself said that he couldn't even put him down while Red Roc did it with a much fresh Kaido).
Another L for Zorotards in this chapter, btw xDDD.

And now Luffy has even more AP with Adv CoC :milaugh:

Luffy, BM, Kaido... these guys destroy their own core crew members at once, crazy haha.
 
#45
He didn't underestimate Zoro's asura or his attack. Zoro was just that fast and powerful.

In the top right scene we see a big black "dot" and 2 small black dots together in the distance. That is Kaido, Zoro and Law. That gives us an idea of the distance between Kaido and them.


The next page shows the clash between asura Zoro and hybrid Kaido.


- Zoro enters asura mode.
- Zoro moves and appears in front of Kaido in an instant which surprises Kaido. The middle scene with Kaido's face shows a little white mark which tells us he was surprised.
- Zoro and Kaido clashes. Kaido tries to hit Zoro with name attacks but it's unable to because Zoro blocks or deflects all of Kaido's attacks.
- Kaido is then seen holding his club up so he can perform another attack.
- Zoro is too fast for Kaido and cuts Kaido first.




This scene just shows the distance Zoro traveled after he cut Kaido which is used to again display Zoro's incredible speed.


Compare that to Luffy red attack where he was aiming for Kaido's head and all Kaido had to do to evade it was move his head out of the way and maybe part of his upper.

Unfortunately, that also left Luffy open for an attack.


From breaking the 2 encounters down you can see that it was much easier to evade and counter Luffy's attack then Zoro's attack. Zoro also showed greater speed.
Good post. You should make thread about it to keep others informed
 
#47
He didn't underestimate Zoro's asura or his attack. Zoro was just that fast and powerful.

In the top right scene we see a big black "dot" and 2 small black dots together in the distance. That is Kaido, Zoro and Law. That gives us an idea of the distance between Kaido and them.


The next page shows the clash between asura Zoro and hybrid Kaido.


- Zoro enters asura mode.
- Zoro moves and appears in front of Kaido in an instant which surprises Kaido. The middle scene with Kaido's face shows a little white mark which tells us he was surprised.
- Zoro and Kaido clashes. Kaido tries to hit Zoro with name attacks but it's unable to because Zoro blocks or deflects all of Kaido's attacks.
- Kaido is then seen holding his club up so he can perform another attack.
- Zoro is too fast for Kaido and cuts Kaido first.




This scene just shows the distance Zoro traveled after he cut Kaido which is used to again display Zoro's incredible speed.


Compare that to Luffy red attack where he was aiming for Kaido's head and all Kaido had to do to evade it was move his head out of the way and maybe part of his upper.

Unfortunately, that also left Luffy open for an attack.


From breaking the 2 encounters down you can see that it was much easier to evade and counter Luffy's attack then Zoro's attack. Zoro also showed greater speed.
Yooooo you are right! That makes asura even more Op than it looked already at first! :christindeed:
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Yes, pretty much.
As for why, easy, Zoro's AP is not relevant for Kaido like it was showed in chapter 1008



The only one doing relevant damage was Luffy with his Adv CoA. He was the one who never stopped, who treated them like human (since he could feel that he was doing damage). Well, Law should have done damage as well but he was constantly nerfed with his ability, we saw in this chapter that his DF is op and can damage easily Kaido, Oda even didn't use GK anymore lmao



He again was triggered because of Enma probably:


And that's why he attacked, but still, he didn't go all out since he could have done the Thunder Bagua (instead of a simple club hit) and Zoro would be done without being able to do the Asura.


And damn, now that I see the scan of Red Hawk, the difference between Luffy and the others is insane lmao.
I was saying Red Roc with Adv CoA > all SN attacks
Now is, Red Roc with Adv CoA > Red Hawk with Adv CoA > all SN attack (except from Law's Injection and GK)
We can only put Asura above Red Hawk, but not Red Roc lmaooo (Zoro himself said that he couldn't even put him down while Red Roc did it with a much fresh Kaido).
Another L for Zorotards in this chapter, btw xDDD.

And now Luffy has even more AP with Adv CoC :milaugh:

Luffy, BM, Kaido... these guys destroy their own core crew members at once, crazy haha.
That is a looot of head Canon. First of all Zoro was not saying his attack power is irrelevant, he was saying their efforts seemed irrelevant. That includes the Attacks of your beloved husband. After all Kaido and Big Mom have not taken any relevant damage from any of them.. Even Luffy Himself admitted that in the last chapter.

Secondly Law was not Nerfed and Gamma Knife failed so of course he would stop Using it. He was Confident that he hit Kaido's heart and Kaido still got up. So he conceded that that won't work which is likely true.

Then we have the panel with Zoro. While it is true that Enma is the Main reason Kaido feared Zoro it was not the reason he Attacked him. Zoro got under his Skin by making it sound like Kaido Has not earned the right to kill Luffy Unless he kills Zoro first. Whether that is cause of enma or not has little bearing on Zoro's standing compared to Luffy. He is factually weaker than Luffy but Enma does not make that gap bigger just like Luffy Using his devil fruit does not make the gap bigger. You are trying to belittle Zoro for something that every character does. Relying on his power set that he gained by relying on something else than just his own raw strength.

Kaido was also not Holding back any more against Zoro than he was against Luffy. "hell hakkei" Is an attack that has no indicators of being inferior or superior to thunder bagua. So your conclusion is biased. Red rock is also not automatically more powerful than asura just because it looks like that for you. Factually both Attacks managed to damage Kaido one way or another.
 
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#50
It's the time for this :
@CbShadow i will use your thread but this time i will add some modifications to it :
Kaido didn't underestimate Zoro's asura . Asura was just a casual Top tier which is very fast and overpowered / very stronk .

In the top right scene we see a big black "dot" and 2 small black dots together in the distance. That is Kaido, Zoro and Law. That gives us an idea of the distance between Kaido and them.


The next page shows the clash between Asura Zoro and hybrid Kaido who apparently said
« No » .

- Zoro warned Kaido from a distance .
- Kaido noticed him .
- Zoro enters asura mode.
- Zoro moves and appears in front of Kaido in an instant which surprises Kaido.
( The middle scene with Kaido's face shows a little white mark which tells us he was surprised. )
- Zoro and Kaido clashes. Kaido tries to hit Zoro with his clubs attacks but they are unable to injure him because Zoro blocks / deflects all of Kaido's attacks and overpowered him which left Kaido wide open while saying
<< No >> = << ぬ >> afterwards we can see Zoro taking this chance to blitz Kaido and leaving the scar on his body .

- Kaido screamed << AHhhhhhhhhhh >> while sweating and panting / shivering and having a permanent scar that took place from the intersection of the two scars that Oden left on his abdomen to the left shoulder .




This scene just shows the distance Zoro traveled after he cut Kaido which is used to again display Zoro's incredible speed.


Compare that to Luffy red attack where he was aiming for Kaido's head and all Kaido had to do to evade it was move his head out of the way and maybe part of his upper.

Unfortunately, that also left Luffy open for an attack.


From breaking the 2 encounters down you can see that it was much easier to evade and counter Luffy's attack then Zoro's attack. Zoro also showed greater speed .
 
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Finalbeta

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#51
To me it appears that Kaido was probably speedblitzed in the first place and regardless Zoro overpowered anything that may have gone through.
 
#52
that's not what happened though,
when zoro used asura kaido tried to attack with an improved version of "raimei hakke" in "hell hakke" and zoro deflected all of those swings which pushed kaido back, hence why he said "ughh".
zoro overpowered kaido and on top of that he got his attack through kaido.
if you're familliar with dark souls, what zoro did there is called parry and riposte.
Really? Need to check again that part
 
#53
- Zoro moves and appears in front of Kaido in an instant which surprises Kaido.
stop lying, zoro and kaido were close to each other you can see on the bottom right when zoro was parrying
nice wank though all this zoro>oden talk was a lie he can't even put down kaido lool
But hey zoro hype is helemepoo hype
 

Finalbeta

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#54
stop lying, zoro and kaido were close to each other you can see on the bottom right when zoro was parrying
nice wank though all this zoro>oden talk was a lie he can't even put down kaido lool
But hey zoro hype is helemepoo hype
Stop with this nonsense.

Kaido might still be stronger than Zoro but this has nothing to do with Zoro > Oden, this isn't Kaido from 20 years ago with alleged worse stats and not showing off Hybrid lol.
 
#55
stop lying, zoro and kaido were close to each other you can see on the bottom right when zoro was parrying
nice wank though all this zoro>oden talk was a lie he can't even put down kaido lool
But hey zoro hype is helemepoo hype
Admiral tard did u see three dots around 2 small ones which are Zoro and Law and another one is Kaido did u see the distance ; Zoro called Kaido who noticed him from a distance after Zoro showed Ashura he appeared in instant in front of him .
Stick to OP not fraudamirals piece .


Sit down and take your L and let's wait for Sabo to clap fraudainu he has Ace's Will :shocking:
 
#56
Another day and another Zoro hater humilate himself with such ridiculous nonsense due to copium overdose.
No, Crydo didn't underestimate Zoro you dum-dum, if you knew how to read you would've know Crydo shit his pants the moment he saw Asura and you wouldn't humilate yourself like that, pleb.
idk, Isn't copium something you are taking? Sounds like you're trying too hard to make it seem like something it's not.
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Stop with this nonsense.

Kaido might still be stronger than Zoro but this has nothing to do with Zoro > Oden, this isn't Kaido from 20 years ago with alleged worse stats and not showing off Hybrid lol.
Kaidou's been consistently focused on Luffy on the roof. That's a reason why.
 

Finalbeta

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#57
Kaidou's been consistently focused on Luffy on the roof. That's a reason why.
No he wasn't. First of all he acknowledged Zoro's power when he launched Hiryuu Kaen, second it's hardly a coincidence he triggered his Hybrid mode after Zoro had pressured him. He heavily contributed and I don't think Kaido likely simply did to make a fast job of the novae considering he was allowing them free shots earlier apparently, he did because of that but there's most likely a causal relation here.

Regardless Zoro put into play overall better feats than Luffy, regardless of their ultimate total power level.
 
#58
idk, Isn't copium something you are taking? Sounds like you're trying too hard to make it seem like something it's not.
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Kaidou's been consistently focused on Luffy on the roof. That's a reason why.
Its best to ignore the obvious troll, now that ZKK has gone to the trash can, they lost all their hope, ''crying'' Kaido turned Zoro into his b!tch with thunder bagua ptsd.



:vistalaugh:

There are really people who think Zoro is fast enough to blitz Kaido, when FS CoO user Luffy couldn't, it's just sad.
 
#59
Its best to ignore the obvious troll, now that ZKK has gone to the trash can, they lost all their hope, ''crying'' Kaido turned Zoro into his b!tch with thunder bagua ptsd.



:vistalaugh:

There are really people who think Zoro is fast enough to blitz Kaido, when FS CoO user Luffy couldn't, it's just sad.
ZKK is not gone and it's going anywhere. You and others continue to ignore all of the info Oda has put out about ZKK. Oda has been hinting at that since Punk Hazard.

Luffy was knocked out for half of last chapter and most of this chapter. But that didn't stop him from returning and returning stronger.

This is Kaido standing over Luffy and getting ready to kill him and he would have if it wasn't for Zoro.


Like Luffy, Zoro is not done and when he returned he will be even stronger. The manga has set it up for Zoro to fight King and use the battle to master enma and improve his use of CoC.
 
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