General & Others Kaido: "I am Joyboy"

#1
So, this is something I noticed when reading the spoilers, and now that the chapter is out, I figured it'd be an interesting topic of discussion.

I'll just post the quote from my comment in the spoiler thread, as I pretty much summed it up.

Holy shit, I just realized something after seeing King and Kaido's flashback...

Kaido....

Thought he could become Joy Boy.....

When King asked him if he could change the World, Kaido replied that he was the only one who could....

Joyboy is meant to be the one who changes the World, as indicated with his promise to the Fishman, hundreds of years ago....

When Kaido told Luffy "You can't become Joyboy either" he wasn't talking about him looking for someone to become Joyboy like many were speculating. He was referring to himself wanting to become Joyboy, but being unable to.

This might be a huge clue as to what drove Kaido to become suicidal, and turned him into to what he has become today. This also explains why he desperately wants to destroy the World, because in Norse Mythology, the only way to rebuild the World anew was to destroy it, and that's what happens during Ragnarok. The World gets destroyed is reborn anew.

Kaido wants to destroy the World, in order to "change it" and thus proves that he truly is "Joyboy".

Oda has been fucking telling us this the whole time with the whole "Yamato/I am Oden" schtick, because at one point in Kaido's life he believed he was Joyboy.... It explains why Kaido supports Yamato by referring to her as his son, but also he doesn't support her for claiming to be Oden, because he was the same exact way when he was younger, and no matter how much he claimed it, it never came to pass.

Yamato is claiming to be Oden, and desperately wants to change Wano...

Meanwhile when Kaido was younger, he was claiming to be Joyboy, and desperately wanted to change the World....

Fuck me, if this is the route you're going with Oda, you're a genius.... I might have to make this post a thread when the chapter drops...
 
#10
Honestly, I feel like Oda is really working hard on making all the Yonkou really intruiguing in their own right, and not just be dumb evil pirates. Even Linlin got a sad backstory since she really couldn't help herself as a child and then fell under the influence of Streusen.

But yeah, I have a feeling you're spot on and Kaidou really tried to become Joyboy, but couldn't either because he isn't a D or because he had been "warped" by Xebec's view of what Joyboy should be. So he failed, and became extremely bitter and suicidal. Which would also make a neat parallel with moriah, who was said to have been very much like Luffy before he lost all his crewmates to Kaido : both encountered an obstacle they couldn't surmount and it twisted them.
 
#11
So, this is something I noticed when reading the spoilers, and now that the chapter is out, I figured it'd be an interesting topic of discussion.

I'll just post the quote from my comment in the spoiler thread, as I pretty much summed it up.
If Kaidou has this perspective, i hope Oda tied it up with Kaidou PTSD when he is reminded about Oden. Not because he's strong as the main factor, but seeing his carefree and optimistic nature which gave Kaidou the extreme fear that Oden might be Joy Boy instead of him. If only Oda do that, Kaidou's character is redeemed in my eyes.

Brilliant post and idea.
 
#13
Yeah, think that could be right, look at Kaido smiling as well in the flashback, compared to him now.

I think Kaido has a really interesting backstory- if Oda gets around to show it. He’s shown throughout the arc in bits and drabs that he‘s got these greater motivations to try and explain his actions beyond “strong man like fight”
 

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#15
So, this is something I noticed when reading the spoilers, and now that the chapter is out, I figured it'd be an interesting topic of discussion.

I'll just post the quote from my comment in the spoiler thread, as I pretty much summed it up.
Nice!!



That also raises one very intersting question - How Kaido is aware of who Joy Boy was? And, if he really was impersonating Joy Boy in the past then it means it just not some awareness about Joy boy but Kenwood a lot about him.





Is it possible that Rocks knew about Joy Boy and Void history?
 
#20
Kaido is not Joy Boy. Just think he is.

Oda wrote Kaido so bad that he doesn't make sense at all. Why he wanted to change the world if he also just wants a honorable death? Kaido was ready to die to Scabbards if they were strong as Oden.
 
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