General & Others Luffy is 90% responsiblie for Blackbeard's Success

[Rmstorm]

1) Luffy took out Crocodile. This made a vacancy spot in the Sichibukai system.

Blackbeard then took Crocodiles place which then allowed him to gain permision to enter Impel Down legally.

2) Luffy causing a riot and reaking havoc in Impel Down allowed Blackbeard to do what he wanted to do with minimal interaction with authorities.

If Blackbeard continued chasing Luffy he would have been captured or killed by Vice Admiral Garp or Admiral Kuzan/ Aokiji or both.

 

[Finalbeta]

Yeah pretty much. I'm sure he never realized.

 

[Rmstorm]

Yeah pretty much. I'm sure he never realized.

Yeah, this is true.

 

[Draco]

3) Luffy mere presence at MF made Sakazuki chase him when Teach showed up. If Sakazuki had not pursued Luffy, he would have killed BB and his crew (alongside Sengoku and Garp) before Shanks even arrived.

 

[Rmstorm]

3) Luffy mere presence at MF made Sakazuki chase him when Teach showed up. If Sakazuki had not pursued Luffy, he would have killed BB and his crew (alongside Sengoku and Garp) before Shanks even arrived.

True

 

[Kiwipom]

Teach has been waiting for this moment for a long time, so if we use this logic, it would of began with Thatch who found the Yami Yami no mi and got killed by BB.

Plus, BB most likely already had a plan of attack, he would of gone for Luffy like he intended or even if he didn’t, Ace would of came and he would of gotten him. Either way, Teach is smart and he is also strong, I think he would of gotten to the same place in another way even if Luffy didn’t defeat Crocodile or cause havoc at ID.

 

[Rmstorm]

Teach has been waiting for this moment for a long time, so if we use this logic, it would of began with Thatch who found the Yami Yami no mi and got killed by BB.

Plus, BB most likely already had a plan of attack, he would of gone for Luffy like he intended or even if he didn’t, Ace would of came and he would of gotten him. Either way, Teach is smart and he is also strong, I think he would of gotten to the same place in another way even if Luffy didn’t defeat Crocodile or cause havoc at ID.

If Blackbeard continued chasing Luffy he would have been captured or killed by Vice Admiral Garp or Admiral Kuzan/ Aokiji or both.

He also would not have been able to enter Impel down. There is no other way given how weak Blackbeard was at the time.

How all of his crew together could not take on Ace- Blackbeards Words

Ace saved his life.

 

[Finalbeta]

I think his 2 points are pretty legit overall

Teach would of had a way harder time if it wasn't for Luffy.

Point 1 was decisive

 

[Rmstorm]

I think his 2 points are pretty legit overall

Teach would of had a way harder time if it wasn't for Luffy.

Point 1 was decisive

He would have died if not for Ace and Luffy. If he continued chasing Luffy, he would have ran into Aokiji, Garp or both at the same time.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

1) Luffy took out Crocodile. This made a vacancy spot in the Sichibukai system.

Blackbeard then took Crocodiles place which then allowed him to gain permision to enter Impel Down legally.

2) Luffy causing a riot and reaking havoc in Impel Down allowed Blackbeard to do what he wanted to do with minimal interaction with authorities.

If Blackbeard continued chasing Luffy he would have been captured or killed by Vice Admiral Garp or Admiral Kuzan/ Aokiji or both.

not really, I recall you using fate to describe luffy's path.
BB's is equivalent in the case, if anything the only reason why luffy aint fisted by the current fleet admiral rn is due to ace.
BB is bending reality to favor him.

 

[Rmstorm]

not really, I recall you using fate to describe luffy's path.
BB's is equivalent in the case, if anything the only reason why luffy aint fisted by the current fleet admiral rn is due to ace.
BB is bending reality to favor him.

Yes, Ace saved Luffy's life. And Fate put Luffy in those situation's, however his choices led to Blackbeard rise of power.

 

[Finalbeta]

He would have died if not for Ace and Luffy. If he continued chasing Luffy, he would have ran into Aokiji, Garp or both at the same time.

I wonder how much of this Luffy realizes

 

[Rmstorm]

I wonder how much of this Luffy realizes

At some point, Luffy will have to come to terns with hsi actions. He needs to see his actions have consequences.

 

[OmegaPsyche]

I agree, that's why I've said BB ain't that smart. His plans worked cause of Luffy's actions & Thatch discovering yami df.

 

[Xione]

If Blackbeard continued chasing Luffy he would have been captured or killed by Vice Admiral Garp or Admiral Kuzan/ Aokiji or both.
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They didn't even know Blackbeard existed until he became a warlord lol.

Garp didn't kill BB after he turned in Ace, he's not gonna do that now either, considering he treated Ace & Luffy pretty much the same.

 

[Finalbeta]

At some point, Luffy will have to come to terns with hsi actions. He needs to see his actions have consequences.

He might never get that I guess lol

 

[stealthblack]

ace is more. from going alone against him and making him warlord, the making wb pirates fight wg to get weak enough for them to finish wb and leaving the crew without wb that made it easy to get their lands too.

 

[trav]

bb has more plot armor than protagonist.
fate always in his favor.

 

[Rukusho]

hmmm well in my opinion Teach always had plans and contingency plans for those plans.

BlackBeard is a conniving mofo.

Remember he had a plan from before that he was going to take out Luffy and Zoro in order to show the government that he is an ally which even if he was part of the Shichibukai he was going to find a way into impel down (regardless of Luffy).

Luffy made things easier for BB but overall Teach still had his plans, he even says that he didn't want to kill Thatch but due to the rules on WB ship (whoever find the DF keeps it) he had to kill him and flee. (The Yomi-Yomi No Mi was the beginning of his plan)

This was all planned out there were minor changes but BlackBeard is no fool.

Long story short I disagree with the thread.

 

[Finalbeta]

bb has more plot armor than protagonist.
fate always in his favor.

Not sure, Luffy escaped from certain death multiple times already