General & Others Luffy, Kid and Law's "rivalry" seems to be very forced in the story.

[Mugiwara56]

I feel like Oda is doing everything to make us believe that Kid and Law are somehow equal to Luffy when that's not true.

I think putting Kid and Law on the same level as Luffy on the bonus level is overkill, it's like they want us to believe they're on his level when it's not true.

In addition we do not feel their dangerousness towards Luffy in their interactions, they always laugh between them.

I find that in other manga the MC rivals have much better representation

What do you think ?
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[VisualKei]

they always laugh between them

Agreed

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I feel like Oda is doing everything to make us believe that Kid and Law are somehow equal to Luffy when that's not true.

No he's not

Kid's bounty is inflated by the fact that he murders people
Law's is inflated by the fact that he has the ope ope no mi, which grants immortality

Luffy's bounty is being downplayed via plot so that he appears like an underdog. Its not that Oda wants him to look like Kid and Law's equal, its that he wants Luffy to have the lowest bounty amongst the yonko(Teach will inevitably get a raise). Then Oda can boost him to 5.6 bil once he beats teach.

 

[Pantheos]

I feel like Oda is doing everything to make us believe that Kid and Law are somehow equal to Luffy when that's not true.

I think putting Kid and Law on the same level as Luffy on the bonus level is overkill, it's like they want us to believe they're on his level when it's not true.

In addition we do not feel their dangerousness towards Luffy in their interactions, they always laugh between them.

I find that in other manga the MC rivals have much better representation

What do you think ?

I think your post doesnt make sense.

Oda is writing the whole story, he is writing how strong Kid and Law are. If Oda really wanted us to believe them being as strong as Luffy, he would just write them like that.

Something in One Piece is true, when Oda is writing its true, nothing else.

 

[Garp the Fist]

I think if he was doing everything he could to make them feel equal then there would be far less complaints.

The actual issue is that he has Luffy shit all over the pair of them for most of the story, then have them pose side by side, have childish squabbles and get nonsense equal bounties and Oda thinks that bare minimum is enough to create a compelling rivalry.

 

[Mugiwara56]

I think your post doesnt make sense.

Oda is writing the whole story, he is writing how strong Kid and Law are. If Oda really wanted us to believe them being as strong as Luffy, he would just write them like that.

Something in One Piece is true, when Oda is writing its true, nothing else.

And you find the rivalry really well brought? I mean in Naruto, Dragon Ball for example the rivalries are very clear and the representations of the characters are well brought in One Piece it is not the case, it is forced.

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No he's not

Kid's bounty is inflated by the fact that he murders people
Law's is inflated by the fact that he has the ope ope no mi, which grants immortality

Luffy's bounty is being downplayed via plot so that he appears like an underdog. Its not that Oda wants him to look like Kid and Law's equal, its that he wants Luffy to have the lowest bounty amongst the yonko(Teach will inevitably get a raise). Then Oda can boost him to 5.6 bil once he beats teach.

I think Oda screwed up for his Mc's rivals. In Naruto or Dragon Ball it is so well represented.

 

[Koro]

1) 'the most' For the reader demography.
Rivalry is interesting for youngster/teenage.

2) The bounty does have a meaning, but doesnt really mean much.
Just get 3.243B SH Crew (ZJS) vs 6B Law-Kid, we know that 6B doesnt really mean much.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

It seems forced because it is forced.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

And you find the rivalry really well brought? I mean in Naruto, Dragon Ball for example the rivalries are very clear and the representations of the characters are well brought in One Piece it is not the case, it is forced.

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I think Oda screwed up for his Mc's rivals. In Naruto or Dragon Ball it is so well represented.

The reason Oda screwed up isn't because he's "forcing" us to believe Kid and Law are Luffy's equals, which he's not. Rather, his issue is that they're just poorly developed.
Law got sidelined after dressrosa. Kid didn't even have an arc like Law did. In MHA, for example, Bakugo and Todoroki are the 2nd and 3rd most important characters, right after Deku himself.

Even if Deku is much stronger than bakugo and todoroki, it doesn't really matter because those characters have their own arcs. But Kid and Law don't get the same treatment as Bakugo, Todoroki, Vegeta, or any of naruto's rivals.

It has nothing to do with their powerlevels, its that Oda doesn't treat them like they are important. Kid barely got any panel time for the last 10 years of manga, yet he 2v1ed a yonko. Compare that with the panel time a character like one of the scabbards, or O-tama gets.

 

[Owl Ki]

It is forced because Law and Kidd are forced characters. They were literally conceived of just before their debut along with the rest of the Supernovas. There was no long term plan to have a genuine rivalry, just a last minute addition to artificially spice things up.

They are underdeveloped and when we finally do hear of something they did, it is something incredibly lame compared to what Luffy has already accomplished.

In the Summit War Saga, Luffy's 300 million bounty was officially for defeating the Warlord Crocodile, defeating the top government assassin Rob Lucci and for destroying one of the World Government's most important bases in Enies Lobby.

Then we are told "Oh shit Kidd has an even bigger bounty" only for it to be revealed that he got it for dicking on civilians.

Every shit tier pirate on the planet can kill civilians, that doesn't make them a threat worthy of a bounty that high, so why would Oda hype up Kidd only to give him lame reasons for his bounty?

Simple. Cause Luffy had already accomplished so much that there was absolutely no way to make Kidd's bounty legit in terms of accomplishments, so Oda gives us bull about civilians.

Law and Kidd are given artificial, inflated hype to give the illusion of rivalry with Luffy but it is shallow because they are not legitimately near him.

This was how the Supernova captains compared to each other back in 2020. The only difference now is that Law and Kidd have bragging rights over sharing a victory (with Bomb-sama) over worst Yonko Linlin.

A list of accomplishments by the Captains of the Worst Generation.

Spoiler: Luffy.

• Has personally defeated three Warlords (Crocodile, Moriah and Doflamingo).

• Has personally led attacks against the World Government’s three most important bases (Enies Lobbey, Impel Down and Marineford).

•Has two former Warlords as loyal and reliable allies (Hancock and Jinbe). Though I suppose I could be cheeky and add Law himself as a third one.

•Has a Grand Fleet with numerous famed pirate captains leading thousands of men.

•Led an attack that completely defeated the World Government’s best group of assassins in CP9.

•Defeated two Yonko Commanders, one of which was that Yonko’s strongest subordinate.

•Has influence over various nations across the globe such as Drum Kingdom, the Kingdom of Alabasta, Dressrosa, Fishman Island, the Mink Dukedoms and the Kozuki Clan of Wano.

Spoiler: Teach.

•He became a Yonko, enough said.

Spoiler: Law.

•He was responsible for some event known as the Rocky Port Incident that was stopped by Coby, yes you read that right, feckin Coby.

•Has a crew of about 20 fodder.

•Well he did create the long term plan to defeat Kaido (through Luffy’s immeasurably useful assistance).

•That is kinda it.

•Oh wait, he had his life goal of personally getting revenge against Chadflamingo stolen from him by Luffy. Nearly forgot that.

Spoiler: Kidd.

•Errr, he killed some random fodder that wanted to go home once.

•He also killed civilians. What a bad arse.

•He supposedly scarred (not defeated) a Sweet Commander. He never said which one. Katakuri was undeafeated till Luffy, Smoothie and Snack have no visible scars that I can recall, so that leaves Cracker (who actually has visible scars) I suppose, the guy Luffy ate for lunch the day before he fought and defeated Katakuri.

Spoiler: Urouge.

•He defeated the completely featless, hypothetical YC4 Snack, a bloke with a lower bounty than Perospero, the guy with an inferior durability feat to Pell.

Spoiler: Drake.

•Is not even a feckin pirate.

Spoiler: Bege.

•One proud owner of the dumbest plan ever created in One Piece history. It subsequently failed spectacularly.

•Has a bounty inferior to Pre-TS Luffy (post Marineford) despite the latter having been on a two year career hiatus.

Spoiler: Bonney.

•Has seemingly forgotten that she is a pirate and is hanging with the Revolutionaries.

•Doea she even have a crew anymore?

Spoiler: Hawkins.

•Defeated Brownbeard, the second worst beard after Pinkbeard.

•Is a Yonko bitch.

Spoiler: Apoo.

•Is a Yonko bitch.
•That is literally it.

The answer is either that Teach is Luffy's rival or that Luffy simply has no rivals. Lel. Luffy is so far ahead of the other Supernovas that they simply cannot catch up to his accomplishments.

The Supernovas are as much rivals to Luffy as Yamcha was a rival to Goku.

 

[Rekien]

If by "rivalry" you mean they are both Luffy's cheerleaders, then sure, they are "rivals".

 

[milluki]

even if you don't like it, oda will continue with that theme. especially kid vs luffy. when luffy beats akainu, kid will beat kuzan. made a video about it:

by the way, rivals doesn't mean they have the same strength. pepsi and coke are rivaling brands but coke has couple times the market share of pepsi.

 

[Iaarm]

Why forced ? We all know that there is a gap in strenght between Luffy and Kid/Law. But they are still rivals because they all want to win the race to be PK.
Being rivals doesnt mean that they must be equal. It means that they compete against each other.

There is not much danger because this is a shonen written for the younger audience. If it was a Seinen it would look way different.
For example Kid would have killed Luffy when Luffy was poisoned in Udon if this was a Seinen.

 

[gz89]

There is no rivalry at all. Luffy stomps both of them.

 

[Herrera95]

I think the worst problem still is Law and Kid suddenly wanting One Piece.

They never had interest in that in first place. Specially for Law that was willing to die only to revenge Corazon.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

kid and law are the same level than jinbei and weaker than zoro
Luffy=zoro>jinbei=>law=>kid

 

[Mathias]

They were rivals until Luffy turned out to be the chosen-one from the millennium prophecy

 

[Killer#777]

I feel like Oda is doing everything to make us believe that Kid and Law are somehow equal to Luffy when that's not true.

It is true the matter is you are refusing to accept it when it's been like this since sabaody.

I think putting Kid and Law on the same level as Luffy on the bonus level is overkill, it's like they want us to believe they're on his level when it's not true.

you make luffy look like some kind of actual god or something you should really relax.

In addition we do not feel their dangerousness towards Luffy in their interactions, they always laugh between them.

So basically like Roger and whitebeard rivalry.

I find that in other manga the MC rivals have much better representation

Ehh most of them are just repeats from the same formula this is just different.

 

[Owl Ki]

Why forced ? We all know that there is a gap in strenght between Luffy and Kid/Law. But they are still rivals because they all want to win the race to be PK.

Bruh, many pirates in One Piece want to become Pirate King. Does the likes of Don Krieg wanting to become PK make him a rival to Luffy?

Being rivals doesnt mean that they must be equal. It means that they compete against each other.

In order to compete with Luffy, they need to be close enough in order to be a threat to Luffy's chances of success, otherwise they are just chattel to be swept aside.

Even if Law and Kidd are near equals to Luffy, their crews sure aren't and are filled with mostly nobodies bar Killer.

Not to mention that Luffy has a Grand Fleet.

There is a reason why Luffy is considered a Yonko and the other two aren't. It is because he is noticably above them.

 

[Mackiss]

Forget these 2 shit characters just like Oda will forget them until EOS