Future Events Luffy might still lose: Luffy vs Kaido has the same structure as Luffy vs Crocodile

#1
Before we start, I wanna warn everyone to not take this thread too seriously. This is just a thread for discussion, I'm not claiming anything here, just an observation that I wanna put out there for discussion. So, without further ado, let's get into it.

Crocodile was Luffy's first opponent who was vastly more powerful than Luffy, Crocodile was the first opponent against whom Luffy needed three rounds to be able to defeat him. Not before or after Alabasta, Luffy never required three rounds to defeat his opponent, it happened only against Crocodile and only in Alabasta. Well, until now... So I've been talking about this for quite some time already, actually I've been saying this since Kaido oneshoted Luffy.
My idea, is that Luffy vs Kaido has the same structure or battle sequence as Luffy vs Crocodile; the reason being, is that Kaido is the second opponent after Crocodile who is vastly more powerful than Luffy.

Here's the actual battle sequence/structure in Alabasta:

  1. Luffy meets Crocodile and Crocodile absolutely destroys him.
  2. Luffy finds a way to damage Crocodile but ultimately still loses to him.
  3. Luffy recovers and defeats Crocodile in the third round.

Now, let's see what happened in Wano compared to Alabasta.

Luffy meets Kaido and Kaido absolutely destroys him–just like in Alabasta–Kaido even says something similar to what Croc said to Luffy after defeating him.

Luffy found a way to damage Kaido but he might still lose to Kaido because of his DF awakening–just like in Alabasta.

Crocodile used something very similar to a DF awakening, he's able to turn his surroundings into sand–just like Doffy and Katakuri. Crocodile also knows a lot about DF abilities and he was the one who said about DF awakening in Impel Down.

So, based on this sequence, Luffy and Kaido will have an equally matched 1v1 but Kaido will still defeat Luffy because he has a DF awakening. Then, Luffy and Kaido both will recover from their injuries and will have a proper 1vs1 in the Wano capital, where the Wano people can witness Kaido's fall.

Just like in Alabasta...
@Queen
@Zoro
@Van
@playa4321
@Celestia
@Grumpy Zoro
@Ice devil slayer
@KiriNigiri
@Veljko2000
@rednose
@Winsmoke Sanji
@Monet
@Veku
@BigChungus2018
@Crooc
@Reborn
@BossYimz
@Robin swan
@gojo
@Fenaker
@PuckTheGreat
@RayanOO
@ShishioIsBack
@Orojackson Refugee
@Greenbeard
@Dragomir
@Sword God Ryuma
@Sentinel
@IceWitch
@Himura
@DarkWitch
@stormylife
@Mr. Anderson
@yunzabit heights
@Monster trio
@Vonal
@Don DaSlayer
@Xione
@Master OF Haki
@Topi Jerami
@Yukihime
@bennbeckman
@Thabeast
@SaintBellkin
@SinOfGreed
@Zenos7
@Lucas
@JioFreed
@pedxi
@Zowo
@Luslec
@style
@Luffy is the mc
@Guymieux
@Mikail
@KINGKONGGUN15
@RyumaZoro
@worst pirate
@ZenZu
@LuffyMazino
@Im_not_Osama_bin_laden
@HAJIKATA
@Jackteo
@Tamerani
@Marimo_420
@Garp the Fist
@Kejon
@Fukki
@Flower
@Sunita
@RZ.119
@Sade
@Skiddo
@KageyamaShoyo
@Den_Den_Mushi
@Elcadar
@Finalbeta
@Bullet
@Dark Hound
@Patryipe
@Light D Lamperouge
@Enma
@Owl Ki
@ZoroIsOverrated
@ShinmenTakezo
@Jack
@Admiral Lee Hung
@Bogard
@Starbound Beast D. Draig
@Shiroyru
@Camie
@ShadyOjiro
@Benn beck
@SethTrollins
@MarimoHeado
@Foxy Bunny
@Bittersteel
@comrade
@Cyrus the Cactus
@OmegaPsyche
@SHIHI
@Zoro D Goat
@critical mindset
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@nik87
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@Usopp Haoshoku Haki
@Gambit
@Monkey D Theories
@TheAncientCenturion
@Haoshoku
@Geo
@Yo Tan Wa
@Izaya X
@Gon’s Missing Arm
@Albino 👑
@MasterD
@SmokedOut
@HeroesNZ
@Cinera
@Murilo
@Dark Knight Sanji
@Afroking
@Rosella.Fiamingo
@Chaves
@Rivaille
@Nidai_Kitetsu
@MonsterZoro
@Gol D. Roger
@Soleus
@Aknolagon
@Emperor Nami
@Constantine
@Gensui Sazid
@K!NG HARA$H!MA
@Hanzo hattori
@Buggy D Clown
@silverfire
@yorosenpai
@Tenshi No Konan
@Guan Yu
@Artorias
@Kiwipom
@zorojurou
@MD Zolo
@Brix
@Chrono
@HA001
@Sadistic Senpai
@bblue
@MarineHQ62
@KenshiraSonata
@Erkan12
@Buusatan94
@Celestial D. Dragon

  • Update after chapter 1013
So, as I've predicted, Luffy once again lost to Kaido...

Just like in the fight against Crocodile.
As I've already mentioned this in the beginning of this thread, I believe and at this point I'm certain, that Luffy vs Kaido has the same battle sequence as Luffy vs Crocodile in Alabasta.

After Luffy lost to Crocodile once again, Luffy couldn't move because of his old injuries, so Luffy took a NAP and recovered from his injuries, while Croc recovered from his injuries. Then...

Luffy and Croc had a clean pure 1v1 in which Luffy defeated Crocodile. Crocodile was shocked that no matter how much he tried to kill Luffy, Luffy eventually bounced back just like a rubber ball–that's the point of Luffy's character. No matter what you do, no matter how hard you hit Luffy, no matter how much you try to kill him, Luffy will eventually bounce back.

Luffy will come back to fight Kaido again, and that round will be the last and decisive battle between Luffy and Kaido. Luffy will defeat Kiado in 1v1 and potentially become the next WSC. I wanna point out that Kaido must be defeated before Onigashima reaches Wano, or at the very least before it reaches to the flower capital. Onigashima will not land on Wano, Kaido must be defeated before that, just like in other arcs with running bomb or birdcage cage in Dressrosa.
 
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#2
Before we start, I wanna warn everyone to not take this thread too seriously. This is just a thread for discussion, I'm not claiming anything here, just an observation that I wanna put out there for discussion. So, without further ado, let's get into it.

Crocodile was Luffy's first opponent who was vastly more powerful than Luffy, Crocodile was the first opponent against whom Luffy needed three rounds to be able to defeat him. Not before or after Alabasta, Luffy never required three rounds to defeat his opponent, it happened only against Crocodile and only in Alabasta. Well, until now... So I've been talking about this for quite some time already, actually I've been saying this since Kaido oneshoted Luffy.
My idea, is that Luffy vs Kaido has the same structure or battle sequence as Luffy vs Crocodile; the reason being, is that Kaido is the second opponent after Crocodile who is vastly more powerful than Luffy.

Here's the actual battle sequence/structure in Alabasta:

  1. Luffy meets Crocodile and Crocodile absolutely destroys him.
  2. Luffy finds a way to damage Crocodile but ultimately still loses to him.
  3. Luffy recovers and defeats Crocodile in the third round.

Now, let's see what happened in Wano compared to Alabasta.

Luffy meets Kaido and Kaido absolutely destroys him–just like in Alabasta–Kaido even says something similar to what Croc said to Luffy after defeating him.

Luffy found a way to damage Kaido but he might still lose to Kaido because of his DF awakening–just like in Alabasta.

Crocodile used something very similar to a DF awakening, he's able to turn his surroundings into sand–just like Doffy and Katakuri. Crocodile also knows a lot about DF abilities and he was the one who said about DF awakening in Impel Down.

So, based on this sequence, Luffy and Kaido will have an equally matched 1v1 but Kaido will still defeat Luffy because he has a DF awakening. Then, Luffy and Kaido both will recover from their injuries and will have a proper 1vs1 in the Wano capital, where the Wano people can witness Kaido's fall.

Just like in Alabasta...
@Queen
@Zoro
@Van
@playa4321
@Celestia
@Grumpy Zoro
@Ice devil slayer
@KiriNigiri
@Veljko2000
@rednose
@Winsmoke Sanji
@Monet
@Veku
@BigChungus2018
@Crooc
@Reborn
@BossYimz
@Robin swan
@gojo
@Fenaker
@PuckTheGreat
@RayanOO
@ShishioIsBack
@Orojackson Refugee
@Greenbeard
@Dragomir
@Sword God Ryuma
@Sentinel
@IceWitch
@Himura
@DarkWitch
@stormylife
@Mr. Anderson
@yunzabit heights
@Monster trio
@Vonal
@Don DaSlayer
@Xione
@Master OF Haki
@Topi Jerami
@Yukihime
@bennbeckman
@Thabeast
@SaintBellkin
@SinOfGreed
@Zenos7
@Lucas
@JioFreed
@pedxi
@Zowo
@Luslec
@style
@Luffy is the mc
@Guymieux
@Mikail
@KINGKONGGUN15
@RyumaZoro
@worst pirate
@ZenZu
@LuffyMazino
@Im_not_Osama_bin_laden
@HAJIKATA
@Jackteo
@Tamerani
@Marimo_420
@Garp the Fist
@Kejon
@Fukki
@Flower
@Sunita
@RZ.119
@Sade
@Skiddo
@KageyamaShoyo
@Den_Den_Mushi
@Elcadar
@Finalbeta
@Bullet
@Dark Hound
@Patryipe
@Light D Lamperouge
@Enma
@Owl Ki
@ZoroIsOverrated
@ShinmenTakezo
@Jack
@Admiral Lee Hung
@Bogard
@Starbound Beast D. Draig
@Shiroyru
@Camie
@ShadyOjiro
@Benn beck
@SethTrollins
@MarimoHeado
@Foxy Bunny
@Bittersteel
@comrade
@Cyrus the Cactus
@OmegaPsyche
@SHIHI
@Zoro D Goat
@critical mindset
@kurwa
@WillOfMyD
@Jo_Ndule
@Reddot4
@Exodia.
@nik87
@Sakura no Hiluluk
@Usopp Haoshoku Haki
@Gambit
@Monkey D Theories
@TheAncientCenturion
@Haoshoku
@Geo
@Yo Tan Wa
@Izaya X
@Gon’s Missing Arm
@Albino 👑
@MasterD
@SmokedOut
@HeroesNZ
@Cinera
@Murilo
@Dark Knight Sanji
@Afroking
@Rosella.Fiamingo
@Chaves
@Rivaille
@Nidai_Kitetsu
@MonsterZoro
@Gol D. Roger
@Soleus
@Aknolagon
@Emperor Nami
@Constantine
@Gensui Sazid
@K!NG HARA$H!MA
@Hanzo hattori
@Buggy D Clown
@silverfire
@yorosenpai
@Tenshi No Konan
@Guan Yu
@Artorias
@Kiwipom
@zorojurou
@MD Zolo
@Brix
@Chrono
@HA001
@Sadistic Senpai
@bblue
@MarineHQ62
@KenshiraSonata
@Erkan12
@Buusatan94
@Celestial D. Dragon
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What you guys think?
Your tag doesn't work well i think most of luffy fans think he will beat him now :sanmoji:
 
#3
@Queen
@Zoro
@Van
@playa4321
@Celestia
@Grumpy Zoro
@Ice devil slayer
@KiriNigiri
@Veljko2000
@rednose
@Winsmoke Sanji
@Monet
@Veku
@BigChungus2018
@Crooc
@Reborn
@BossYimz
@Robin swan
@gojo
@Fenaker
@PuckTheGreat
@RayanOO
@ShishioIsBack
@Orojackson Refugee
@Greenbeard
@Dragomir
@Sword God Ryuma
@Sentinel
@IceWitch
@Himura
@DarkWitch
@stormylife
@Mr. Anderson
@yunzabit heights
@Monster trio
@Vonal
@Don DaSlayer
@Xione
@Master OF Haki
@Topi Jerami
@Yukihime
@bennbeckman
@Thabeast
@SaintBellkin
@SinOfGreed
@Zenos7
@Lucas
@JioFreed
@pedxi
@Zowo
@Luslec
@style
@Luffy is the mc
@Guymieux
@Mikail
@KINGKONGGUN15
@RyumaZoro
@worst pirate
@ZenZu
@LuffyMazino
@Im_not_Osama_bin_laden
@HAJIKATA
@Jackteo
@Tamerani
@Marimo_420
@Garp the Fist
@Kejon
@Fukki
@Flower
@Sunita
@RZ.119
@Sade
@Skiddo
@KageyamaShoyo
@Den_Den_Mushi
@Elcadar
@Finalbeta
@Bullet
@Dark Hound
@Patryipe
@Light D Lamperouge
@Enma
@Owl Ki
@ZoroIsOverrated
@ShinmenTakezo
@Jack
@Admiral Lee Hung
@Bogard
@Starbound Beast D. Draig
@Shiroyru
@Camie
@ShadyOjiro
@Benn beck
@SethTrollins
@MarimoHeado
@Foxy Bunny
@Bittersteel
@comrade
@Cyrus the Cactus
@OmegaPsyche
@SHIHI
@Zoro D Goat
@critical mindset
@kurwa
@WillOfMyD
@Jo_Ndule
@Reddot4
@Exodia.
@nik87
@Sakura no Hiluluk
@Usopp Haoshoku Haki
@Gambit
@Monkey D Theories
@TheAncientCenturion
@Haoshoku
@Geo
@Yo Tan Wa
@Izaya X
@Gon’s Missing Arm
@Albino 👑
@MasterD
@SmokedOut
@HeroesNZ
@Cinera
@Murilo
@Dark Knight Sanji
@Afroking
@Rosella.Fiamingo
@Chaves
@Rivaille
@Nidai_Kitetsu
@MonsterZoro
@Gol D. Roger
@Soleus
@Aknolagon
@Emperor Nami
@Constantine
@Gensui Sazid
@K!NG HARA$H!MA
@Hanzo hattori
@Buggy D Clown
@silverfire
@yorosenpai
@Tenshi No Konan
@Guan Yu
@Artorias
@Kiwipom
@zorojurou
@MD Zolo
@Brix
@Chrono
@HA001
@Sadistic Senpai
@bblue
@MarineHQ62
@KenshiraSonata
@Erkan12
@Buusatan94
@Celestial D. Dragon
 
#8
I think something similar.

I think what’s gonna happen is Kidd killer big mom and possibly hawkins end up falling down into kuri where the factories are and udon is.

Luffy and kaido will fall into the capital.


the rest of the main fights will be spread out through wano.

I think this is because promethus is eating the clouds kaido used which will end up throwing everyone to different parts of wano

This will cause chaos.

I can see different parts of onigashima breaking off also.

So the theories of zoro vs king and ringo

Or hiyori hunting orochi down

Sanji vs queen in udon


May be true

So i don’t think luffy will be beaten but the fights will have a change of scenery
 
#10
technically he should but he wont
he wont even be called the strongest after taking down kaido
This is what I thought what is going to happen long, long ago (and it might truly happen).

I once thought that after Blackbeard takes Kaido's DF he will be called as "the strongest creature in the world" while since Luffy defeated Kaido in 1v1 and played a huge role in taking down Big Mom he will be called "the strongest man in the world" and then we can have Blackbeard-WSC vs Luffy-WSM.
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It obviously isn't the final battle, no way Law and Zoro are done for the arc.
Zoro will fight against King, that's his final fight in Wano.
 
#11
This what I thought what is going to happen long, long ago (and it might truly happen).

I once thought that after Blackbeard takes Kaido's DF he will be called as "the strongest creature in the world" while since Luffy defeated Kaido in 1v1 and played a huge role in taking down Big Mom he will be called "the strongest man in the world" and then we can have Blackbeard-WSC vs Luffy-WSM.
i think luffy will only be called the pirate king
blackbeard might be called the wsm
and I dont think luffy would have to go agaisnt the same ability twice
so I dont think kaido df goes to BB but who knows.
 
#16
It definitely could happen, the set up is there for Oda to go for another Crocodile 3 round structure. I’d definitely prefer it. I like the idea of the raid failing and fights taking place all over Wano. Oda went through so much trouble showing us all the regions of Wano I originally thought he might be setting us up for a country wide war where different fights were happening in the various regions: Ringo, Kuri, Udon, etc with the Kaido fight taking place in the actual capital. But I have to say he’s really sold me on this being the final battle. If it’s not then hats off to him.
 
#17
Luffy went from being knocked out and needing Zoro to carry him from a basic attack from Apoo, to tanking Kaido and 1 v 1 him in a matter of minutes. Yep makes sense to me.
 
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#18
I think Luffy will struggle and get help from Yamato. it will not just in form of strength but having Yamato helping Luffy, telling her Father that Luffy freed her and that she will go with Luffy as her captain and fight him, will praise Oden and Momo and mock her father . that would have a psychological effect on her father.
 
#20
Before we start, I wanna warn everyone to not take this thread too seriously. This is just a thread for discussion, I'm not claiming anything here, just an observation that I wanna put out there for discussion. So, without further ado, let's get into it.

Crocodile was Luffy's first opponent who was vastly more powerful than Luffy, Crocodile was the first opponent against whom Luffy needed three rounds to be able to defeat him. Not before or after Alabasta, Luffy never required three rounds to defeat his opponent, it happened only against Crocodile and only in Alabasta. Well, until now... So I've been talking about this for quite some time already, actually I've been saying this since Kaido oneshoted Luffy.
My idea, is that Luffy vs Kaido has the same structure or battle sequence as Luffy vs Crocodile; the reason being, is that Kaido is the second opponent after Crocodile who is vastly more powerful than Luffy.

Here's the actual battle sequence/structure in Alabasta:

  1. Luffy meets Crocodile and Crocodile absolutely destroys him.
  2. Luffy finds a way to damage Crocodile but ultimately still loses to him.
  3. Luffy recovers and defeats Crocodile in the third round.

Now, let's see what happened in Wano compared to Alabasta.

Luffy meets Kaido and Kaido absolutely destroys him–just like in Alabasta–Kaido even says something similar to what Croc said to Luffy after defeating him.

Luffy found a way to damage Kaido but he might still lose to Kaido because of his DF awakening–just like in Alabasta.

Crocodile used something very similar to a DF awakening, he's able to turn his surroundings into sand–just like Doffy and Katakuri. Crocodile also knows a lot about DF abilities and he was the one who said about DF awakening in Impel Down.

So, based on this sequence, Luffy and Kaido will have an equally matched 1v1 but Kaido will still defeat Luffy because he has a DF awakening. Then, Luffy and Kaido both will recover from their injuries and will have a proper 1vs1 in the Wano capital, where the Wano people can witness Kaido's fall.

Just like in Alabasta...
@Queen
@Zoro
@Van
@playa4321
@Celestia
@Grumpy Zoro
@Ice devil slayer
@KiriNigiri
@Veljko2000
@rednose
@Winsmoke Sanji
@Monet
@Veku
@BigChungus2018
@Crooc
@Reborn
@BossYimz
@Robin swan
@gojo
@Fenaker
@PuckTheGreat
@RayanOO
@ShishioIsBack
@Orojackson Refugee
@Greenbeard
@Dragomir
@Sword God Ryuma
@Sentinel
@IceWitch
@Himura
@DarkWitch
@stormylife
@Mr. Anderson
@yunzabit heights
@Monster trio
@Vonal
@Don DaSlayer
@Xione
@Master OF Haki
@Topi Jerami
@Yukihime
@bennbeckman
@Thabeast
@SaintBellkin
@SinOfGreed
@Zenos7
@Lucas
@JioFreed
@pedxi
@Zowo
@Luslec
@style
@Luffy is the mc
@Guymieux
@Mikail
@KINGKONGGUN15
@RyumaZoro
@worst pirate
@ZenZu
@LuffyMazino
@Im_not_Osama_bin_laden
@HAJIKATA
@Jackteo
@Tamerani
@Marimo_420
@Garp the Fist
@Kejon
@Fukki
@Flower
@Sunita
@RZ.119
@Sade
@Skiddo
@KageyamaShoyo
@Den_Den_Mushi
@Elcadar
@Finalbeta
@Bullet
@Dark Hound
@Patryipe
@Light D Lamperouge
@Enma
@Owl Ki
@ZoroIsOverrated
@ShinmenTakezo
@Jack
@Admiral Lee Hung
@Bogard
@Starbound Beast D. Draig
@Shiroyru
@Camie
@ShadyOjiro
@Benn beck
@SethTrollins
@MarimoHeado
@Foxy Bunny
@Bittersteel
@comrade
@Cyrus the Cactus
@OmegaPsyche
@SHIHI
@Zoro D Goat
@critical mindset
@kurwa
@WillOfMyD
@Jo_Ndule
@Reddot4
@Exodia.
@nik87
@Sakura no Hiluluk
@Usopp Haoshoku Haki
@Gambit
@Monkey D Theories
@TheAncientCenturion
@Haoshoku
@Geo
@Yo Tan Wa
@Izaya X
@Gon’s Missing Arm
@Albino 👑
@MasterD
@SmokedOut
@HeroesNZ
@Cinera
@Murilo
@Dark Knight Sanji
@Afroking
@Rosella.Fiamingo
@Chaves
@Rivaille
@Nidai_Kitetsu
@MonsterZoro
@Gol D. Roger
@Soleus
@Aknolagon
@Emperor Nami
@Constantine
@Gensui Sazid
@K!NG HARA$H!MA
@Hanzo hattori
@Buggy D Clown
@silverfire
@yorosenpai
@Tenshi No Konan
@Guan Yu
@Artorias
@Kiwipom
@zorojurou
@MD Zolo
@Brix
@Chrono
@HA001
@Sadistic Senpai
@bblue
@MarineHQ62
@KenshiraSonata
@Erkan12
@Buusatan94
@Celestial D. Dragon
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What you guys think?
No, Luffy found a way to defeat Crocodile/Kaido in Udon....second round is what has happened from chapter 1000-1009.....from red roc to red....now this is final round....it is just that it won't end very soon.....but what you said might also be correct...let us see
 
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