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Don't underestimate King. He is not just "mere underling". He is Kaido's strongest subordinate.
A guy sharing his status was Luffy's biggest obstacle just 1 arc ago. And King is most likely stronger physically than that guy, Katakuri.

King also already got massive portrayal
1. Lol diffing half of Big Mom's crew with unnamed move and didn't get any injury from that encounter. Result: Big Mom fell to the sea and Perospero admitted himself it would be miracle if Big Mom survived King's assault.
2. Last person of certain race. A rare and hyped race that Big Mom doesn't have in her Totland.
3. Asked to join Big Mom Pirates just like Marco was offered to join Shanks.
4. Didn't get nervous around Big Mom and just flatly refused her invitation.
5. Just like Jack is famous in Kuri territory and Queen is famous in Udon, guaranteed King will be famous in 1 of other Wano's territory too.

Zoro's last opponents are Pica the high pitched clown and to take him down Zoro even got the help of Orlombus. Then Kamazou who is mentally sick thanks to SMILE.
Having a YC1 opponent like King is far from "not enough" for Zoro. If anything, it's the opposite.
Wow, i know that King is strong, i even put him > Katakuri and Marco, but:
1. She's a DF user and fell in a sea, of course Perospero thought that it would be a miracle if she survived.
2. And no one besides Big Mom herself cares about it. It'll be interesting to know King's race origin, but that's all.
3. Like you said, she wants King in her crew because of his race, which she does not have. If Jack was from King's race, she would ask HIM to join.
4. Marco did that too + she was in their territory and without her crewmates, King had his crewmates and Kaido.
5. Would be cool if he has Ringo under control, but like i said, i want Zoro starts to finally doing his "my name will reach the heavens" promise, i want this "Second Ryuma" stuff to happen. King may be super strong, but the fact remains: he's an underling, about whom no one cares.

I already wrote my scenario with Zoro vs King, at which i'll be satisfied, but other than this? Nah.
 
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1. Diamante was a swordsman too.
So was Pica. Diamante wasn't the second strongest executive.

1. No foreshadowing ( I hate fights "by chance" in OP, one and only foreshadowing for that fight is that King is a swordsman ).
There will be a set up for the fight to happen. Zoro is currently set up to fight Orochi in order to avenge Yasui lol. And we know that won't be his limit breaking fight lol.

Irrelevance of YC ( let's be honest, YC are not threat for MC anymore. We have at least 8 YC or more fighters in Alliance side and one man that stronger than any YC. It may change, then i will rewatch my opinion ).
YC are only irrelevant to Luffy. They are a big threat to Zoro and Sanji.

Zoro beat Pica with help. And he's still currently getting jumped on by the Hawkins, Yeti Cool Brothers, Killer's and Foxes of the OP world. Sure Zoro has big slashes, but big slashes alone don't mean you're ready to outclass YCs. Luffy has an entire form that gave him overwhelming AP and he was still getting clapped by YC and Yonko alike.

. Hypothetical participation of Zoro in fight with Kaido ( it has more foreshadowing than Zoro vs King ).
The only foreshadowing for his participation is having Oden's sword. Which on its own doesn't mean he would participate.

4. "The second Ryuma" stuff.
The second coming of Ryuma stuff might just mean that Zoro is gonna turn his blade black. No swordsman in wano has done this besides Ryuma, Zoro doing that in this arc will make him the second coming of Ryuma in their eyes. Seems like translation refers to dinosaurs as dragons, beating king would be slaying a dragon as well.

Jack and Queen are well known in Wano lmao. Implying no one knows or cares about King is ludicrous.
 
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How does YC isnt satisfactory for Zoro?
I would understand Luffy but Zoro? Who hasn't proven crap!

You think King or X is a warm up coz you want it to fill your headcanon that Zoro will be Yc1+ or low top tier post wano

Zoro's warm up was already Killer > places Zoro as low high tier (*then gets Enma which pushes him to mid high tier)
Sanji's warm up was P1 > shows how RS Sanji is low high tier
Law's warm up is Hawkins > pushes Law to mid high tier or near.

These are their Blueno(cracker) fight as luffy had in WCI/EL

So Kyoushiro/King/Smoothie are Zoro main fight!
He is set to avenge Yasu anyway, that's his plot... he is not here to surpass Oden
 
How does YC isnt satisfactory for Zoro?
I would understand Luffy but Zoro? Who hasn't proven crap!

You think King or X is a warm up coz you want it to fill your headcanon that Zoro will be Yc1+ or low top tier post wano

Zoro's warm up was already Killer > places Zoro as low high tier (*then gets Enma which pushes him to mid high tier)
Sanji's warm up was P1 > shows how RS Sanji is low high tier
Law's warm up is Hawkins > pushes Law to mid high tier or near.

These are their Blueno(cracker) fight as luffy had in WCI/EL

So Kyoushiro/King/Smoothie are Zoro main fight!
He is set to avenge Yasu anyway, that's his plot... he is not here to surpass Oden
Are you an idiot or what? It's not satisfying for ME ONLY. I don't want Zoro to beat another dude only because the dude has to be beaten by someone. Get off of me with your headcannon and reread what i wrote.
 
How does YC isnt satisfactory for Zoro?
I would understand Luffy but Zoro? Who hasn't proven crap!

You think King or X is a warm up coz you want it to fill your headcanon that Zoro will be Yc1+ or low top tier post wano

Zoro's warm up was already Killer > places Zoro as low high tier (*then gets Enma which pushes him to mid high tier)
Sanji's warm up was P1 > shows how RS Sanji is low high tier
Law's warm up is Hawkins > pushes Law to mid high tier or near.

These are their Blueno(cracker) fight as luffy had in WCI/EL

So Kyoushiro/King/Smoothie are Zoro main fight!
He is set to avenge Yasu anyway, that's his plot... he is not here to surpass Oden
So why did he get his blade and is tasked to make it black?
Why did he meet his daughter the princess of the arc?
Why is he training odens son?
Stop hating oda is telling his story don’t get upset about it just get used to it
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
So why did he get his blade and is tasked to make it black?
Why did he meet his daughter the princess of the arc?
Why is he training odens son?
Stop hating oda is telling his story don’t get upset about it just get used to it
It's a shame some WG people don't get the importance of the author's decisions
 
Zoro was massively stronger than Pica obviously he needed no help either he got it or not :cheers:
Except defeating pica requires trapping him in a section of his golem. Which wouldn't have been possible to without orlumbus throwing him. Mihawk wouldn't have needed to be thrown as we saw with his iceberg feat in MF lol. Zoro has a long way to go
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
Except defeating pica requires trapping him in a section of his golem. Which wouldn't have been possible to without orlumbus throwing him. Mihawk wouldn't have needed to be thrown as we saw with his iceberg feat in MF lol. Zoro has a long way to go
Let's be honest Pica was nowhere near the level of an YC4 let alone Current Zoro

And Mihawk is above yonko tier so no need to bring him up
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Except defeating pica requires trapping him in a section of his golem. Which wouldn't have been possible to without orlumbus throwing him. Mihawk wouldn't have needed to be thrown as we saw with his iceberg feat in MF lol. Zoro has a long way to go
That was only to save ussop and co in time. In a one on one thats not an issue.
 
Let's be honest Pica was nowhere near the level of an YC4 let alone Current Zoro

And Mihawk is above yonko tier so no need to bring him up
But still needed assistance from orlumbus to properly corner him.

LOL at mihawk being above Yonko tier
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That was only to save ussop and co in time. In a one on one thats not an issue.

In a one on one it wasn't getting him anywhere, but he had trouble properly cornering him regardless. He was obviously Zoro can no diff in direct combat, but he doesn't change the fact that his DF ability made him Hella troublesome to defeat
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
But still needed assistance from orlumbus to properly corner him.

LOL at mihawk being above Yonko tier
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In a one on one it wasn't getting him anywhere, but he had trouble properly cornering him regardless. He was obviously Zoro can no diff in direct combat, but he doesn't change the fact that his DF ability made him Hella troublesome to defeat
To each his opinions despite Mihawk > Shanks is objective Oda's statement :cheers:
 
To each his opinions despite Mihawk > Shanks is objective Oda's statement :cheers:
Kaido and BM>Mihawk and Shanks.

Whether or not Mihawk and Vista were fighting seriously or not, those two Yonko would not get stalled by the likes of Crocodile,Vista etc.
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I'm not really gonna continue with that topic after this, considering this has to do with what the op is talking about
 
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