Speculations Mihawk and Saint Shanks... Who missed out on more?

[nik87]

I think the two strongest individuals 20 years ago were Kaido and Oden

I believe so too. It is possible that when Oden peaked he was stronger than even Whitebeard but since he is overall a minor character that was unknown for almost 1000 chapters, there was no proper time to hype him up and make him relevant...

Coa haki by itself seems to basic so it will likely involve something linked to the new power system oda introduced on saturn´s devil circle.

It is certainly interesting how Oda will tie it all up with Black Blades.

 

[centurion]

 

[сука]

All 3 are correct

 

[Moegara]

I just wanna know how tf Saint Shanks' sword produces fire, hope oda adresses it.

Same way Kin'emon, Zoro and Fossa do.

 

[[No Name]]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=ht...f6c1c1dfc84878cc239b8844f6bf52bace1&rdt=38281

"He made a name before the Great Age of piracy"

While Saint Shanks
https://i.redd.it/1y1yf9rjkit71.jpg

From fighting Fraudhawk he evolved to an equal to Whitebeard.

 

[HA001]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https://preview.redd.it/mihawks-vivre-card-mihawk-Saint Shanks-v0-69t427nqnuua1.png?width=669&format=png&auto=webp&s=ed0ecf6c1c1dfc84878cc239b8844f6bf52bace1&rdt=38281

"He made a name before the Great Age of piracy"

While Saint Shanks
https://i.redd.it/1y1yf9rjkit71.jpg

From fighting Fraudhawk he evolved to an equal to Whitebeard.

Equal presence. Ie a yonko. Not strength related. Yonko means nothing to mihawk.

 

[[No Name]]

Equal presence. Ie a yonko. Not strength related. Yonko means nothing to mihawk.

The Saint Shanks who used to compete with Mihawk got scarred by Base fruitless Teach man...

 

[HA001]

The Saint Shanks who used to compete with Mihawk got scarred by Base fruitless Teach man...

Irrelevant we don't know how that happened.
Saint Shanks has made his name fighting mihawk. He has no other achievements.

 

[RebelliousSoma]

@nik87 the eminent cutlery consultant and aficionado of convoluted theories! It's truly amazing how your vast expertise in the world of spoons and forks has seamlessly translated into your in-depth analysis of sword fights. Perhaps it's time to leave the kitchen and delve into the world of actual combat before we attribute culinary prowess to every pirate duel in One Piece, shattering your elaborate fan fiction and leaving us with nothing but the bitter taste of over-speculation.

 

[nik87]

@nik87 the eminent cutlery consultant and aficionado of convoluted theories! It's truly amazing how your vast expertise in the world of spoons and forks has seamlessly translated into your in-depth analysis of sword fights. Perhaps it's time to leave the kitchen and delve into the world of actual combat before we attribute culinary prowess to every pirate duel in One Piece, shattering your elaborate fan fiction and leaving us with nothing but the bitter taste of over-speculation.

Logical questions, my friend...
>When did they last fight?
>Did Mihawk have a blackened Yoru forged back then considering his peak is now and not 12 years ago when their last fight probably happened?
>Is that why Mihawk refuses to fight Saint Shanks, because he is on a level where Saint Shanks cannot satisfy his thirst?

While we know that one doesnt get stronger by becoming a Yonko, one does get stronger when he forges the black blade.
>Did Mihawk fight a Yonko Saint Shanks? Nope, if their last fight is more than 6 years ago.
>Did Saint Shanks fight Mihawk with blackened Yoru?
Unlikely if their last fight is too long ago.

So who has actually dodged a bullet here?

 

[SakazOuki]

So who has actually dodged a bullet here?

Definitely Mihawk, once Beckman enters the field and its a 2v1 Hawk is finished

 

[Sweetdreams]

Since their last dual

Saint Shanks became a yonko.
Clashed with WB, Stopped Kaido from coming to marineford. Made kaido's top 5

Mihawk stalemated vista

 

[Malio]

Ffs clicked yes on accident. But no, Saint Shanks is lucky that current Mihawk does not want to fight him.

 

[Vanlax]

Seriously.
Whoever thinks YC1 Mihawk already has a black blade is just not thinking properly.
Just because Mihawk made a name for himself doesn't mean he is already at the top.

Any YC1 dueling would become legendary.
Imagine if Katakuri, Marco, Ben Beckman, or King had duel against fellow YC1.
It's definitely going to be on the news.

Like I said on other threads, it's more likely that Mihawk didn't have the black blade yet when he dueled Saint Shanks, than Saint Shanks not having advCOC. Saint Shanks sailed with Roger and Ray, and was chosen to be the successor of Roger by Roger himself. Saint Shanks should've been able to unlock all haki types at a young age or he is plain talentless.

 

[Malick the last Light]

Like I said on other threads, it's more likely that Mihawk didn't have the black blade yet when he dueled Saint Shanks, than Saint Shanks not having advCOC. Saint Shanks sailed with Roger and Ray, and was chosen to be the successor of Roger by Roger himself. Saint Shanks should've been able to unlock all haki types at a young age or he is plain talentless.

Saint Shanks, as far as I am aware, has NEVER been implied to have ever been anything more than a bench warmer for the REAL future King of the Pirates. Be that Ace (initially at least) or later on Luffy? Does not really matter, it sure as hell was not intended to be Saint Shanks.

If Roger thought Saint Shanks was worthy of being the next King? Hell, if Saint Shanks thought he was worthy for that matter? Luffy would have never even be able to eat the damn Nika fruit in the first place. Saint Shanks would have eaten the fruit himself if Roger not only chose him as a succesor but clued him into what he was missing.

Also, I am not petty enough to argue Oda knew all the way back in Chapter 1 what Haki was? From a PURELY in-universe perspective if Saint Shanks at a young age unlocked Haki him getting tricked by a damn smoke bomb and literal backwater mountain bandits fodder almost running away with the Nika fruit (and Luffy) is a COLOSSAL L on his record even more so than it already is in canon.

Like straight up you basically have to ignore Saint Shanks intro as pure plot because it makes NO sense that a guy who at this stage of his life had bounty over a billion on his head did let somebody like Higuma get away with the shit he did.

As for the thread? I still think Mihawk could just be a prodigy that turned his blade black early in life and that would fit his character without to many issues. Hell, Mihawk was older during his rivalry with Saint Shanks than Zoro will be when he makes his swords black. Unless I am messing the ages up Mihawk turning Yoru black at 29 is not impossible or even all that unlikely.

Its not like Mihawk and Saint Shanks had their duels while both were 16 or some shit. Both were already grown men, with Mihawk already having made a name for himself WAY before Saint Shanks. Him already having a black blade prior to starting his rivalry with Saint Shanks? Seems far from impossible to me.

 

[Vanlax]

Saint Shanks, as far as I am aware, has NEVER been implied to have ever been anything more than a bench warmer for the REAL future King of the Pirates. Be that Ace (initially at least) or later on Luffy? Does not really matter, it sure as hell was not intended to be Saint Shanks.

If Roger thought Saint Shanks was worthy of being the next King? Hell, if Saint Shanks thought he was worthy for that matter? Luffy would have never even be able to eat the damn Nika fruit in the first place. Saint Shanks would have eaten the fruit himself if Roger not only chose him as a succesor but clued him into what he was missing.

Also, I am not petty enough to argue Oda knew all the way back in Chapter 1 what Haki was? From a PURELY in-universe perspective if Saint Shanks at a young age unlocked Haki him getting tricked by a damn smoke bomb and literal backwater mountain bandits fodder almost running away with the Nika fruit (and Luffy) is a COLOSSAL L on his record even more so than it already is in canon.

Like straight up you basically have to ignore Saint Shanks intro as pure plot because it makes NO sense that a guy who at this stage of his life had bounty over a billion on his head did let somebody like Higuma get away with the shit he did.

As for the thread? I still think Mihawk could just be a prodigy that turned his blade black early in life and that would fit his character without to many issues. Hell, Mihawk was older during his rivalry with Saint Shanks than Zoro will be when he makes his swords black. Unless I am messing the ages up Mihawk turning Yoru black at 29 is not impossible or even all that unlikely.

Its not like Mihawk and Saint Shanks had their duels while both were 16 or some shit. Both were already grown men, with Mihawk already having made a name for himself WAY before Saint Shanks. Him already having a black blade prior to starting his rivalry with Saint Shanks? Seems far from impossible to me.

1. Saint Shanks was the successor of the Straw Hat, which makes him Roger's successor, period.

Whatever task Roger told Saint Shanks to do, whether being the next Pirate King or being someone who'd find the Nika fruit or find someone worthy, it doesn't matter. Roger gave him the hat among anyone else. Saint Shanks is Roger's successor, you cannot change this fact.

Do you think Roger is a fool and would give the hat to anyone random?

2. You're missing the point of why Saint Shanks let Higuma humiliate him.

Saint Shanks was setting an example to Luffy, as well as Saint Shanks has a philosophy in life.

Saint Shanks doesn’t let pride or ego dictate his actions. He understands that fighting Higuma, a weak and petty criminal, would be meaningless and would only escalate the situation. He isn’t concerned about being humiliated because he knows his worth isn’t tied to what others think of him.

It won't matter if even Saint Shanks is the strongest in the world at that point, because for Oda, plot will always win than power scaling. (In case you haven't noticed)

Are you telling me 1B Saint Shanks isn't strong enough? This is the level of YC1. Katakuri already perfected his DF at this point, has advCOO and has COC. What more of Saint Shanks who had Roger and Ray?


3. Mihawk forging a Black Blade at young age is even more absurd.

Do you guys even understand how ridiculous it is to think that Mihawk at YC1 was able to forge a black blade when Oden in his prime didn't? Oden, who's definitely a prodigy, and who's in Kaido's eyes is comparable to the likes of Roger and Primebeard.

 

[odaisalwaysright]

1. Saint Shanks was the successor of the Straw Hat, which makes him Roger's successor, period.

Whatever task Roger told Saint Shanks to do, whether being the next Pirate King or being someone who'd find the Nika fruit or find someone worthy, it doesn't matter. Roger gave him the hat among anyone else. Saint Shanks is Roger's successor, you cannot change this fact.

Do you think Roger is a fool and would give the hat to anyone random?

2. You're missing the point of why Saint Shanks let Higuma humiliate him.

Saint Shanks was setting an example to Luffy, as well as Saint Shanks has a philosophy in life.

Saint Shanks doesn’t let pride or ego dictate his actions. He understands that fighting Higuma, a weak and petty criminal, would be meaningless and would only escalate the situation. He isn’t concerned about being humiliated because he knows his worth isn’t tied to what others think of him.

It won't matter if even Saint Shanks is the strongest in the world at that point, because for Oda, plot will always win than power scaling. (In case you haven't noticed)

Are you telling me 1B Saint Shanks isn't strong enough? This is the level of YC1. Katakuri already perfected his DF at this point, has advCOO and has COC. What more of Saint Shanks who had Roger and Ray?


3. Mihawk forging a Black Blade at young age is even more absurd.

Do you guys even understand how ridiculous it is to think that Mihawk at YC1 was able to forge a black blade when Oden in his prime didn't? Oden, who's definitely a prodigy, and who's in Kaido's eyes is comparable to the likes of Roger and Primebeard.

forging black blade has maybe nothing to do with power. its not confirmed, mihawk can even have found it just like zoro did with shusui

 

[Cruxroux]

I have said this before but
All the Saint Shanks wankers , no matter how powerful you consider him. Where do you think he's powers are coming from? Joyboy Hat? Roger and Rayleigh sealed Haki?

No lmao.
Rayleigh Explicitly stated only Haki Bloom is the way to strengthen CoC. And guess who is in only record of fighting Saint Shanks regularly?

Do I need to say more?

Saint Rat to develop Future sight Killing to be fight mihawk lmao.

Saint Rat fans should Thank Mihawk lmao.

 

[Vanlax]

forging black blade has maybe nothing to do with power. its not confirmed, mihawk can even have found it just like zoro did with shusui

You can deny the truth all you want.
There is a reason why Ryuma forged the black blade after countless of battles.
All of us know haki blooms in real battles, not training.

Luffy's and Zoro's haki has grown tremendously during their final battles in Onigashima in less than an hour.
Two long years of training meant nothing at all compared.

Sure, it is possible that Mihawk's black blade was inherited all along, and not forged by himself.
However, I don't think Oda would go this path.
It's going to be even more unthinkable than Luffy dying only to be resurrected by his fruit.

 

[nik87]

forging black blade has maybe nothing to do with power.

And yet, Yoru is mark of ultimate Power, the strongest weapon in the whole world...