Neither was helmmans and Franky and other random Sh were doing it, mute point. Also point is that that's actually a role unlike Yamato having noone
Burgess was introduced as a Helmsman in Jaya, where it stood out since it was a role that the crew didn’t have. It’s one of the main reasons people thought that Jinbei would be one before he joined.
Yeah except for the fact Carrot actually inherented the dream of seing the Dawn which is Pedro's dream and the entire Minks civ aswell, meanwhile Yamato's doesn't have a dream, emulating Oden is already what she is doing in part, Oden's dream/will is too blurry so it's pathetic to thin
Carrot has not once said shit about the Dawn lol.
Oden’s dream isn’t “blurry”, it is totally concrete. It’s opening the borders of Wano. It’s outright said. How can you find that “blurry” but some vague nonsense about the Dawn is perfectly clear?
What's utterly irrelevant is this argument, Yamato is de facto stronger than Zoro but by a substancial margin, going toe to toe with an Kaido warrants her a bounty power equivalent of at least 2B +, it's irrelevant if Oda makes Zoro/Sanji 2/3, if Yamato joined after Wano she would be the second strongest SH, that matters for narrative purposes. Just as much as it matters that Tama won't join because she's too weak.
This is quite literally the same terrible argument that was being used for years to try and argue Jinbei could not join.
It does not matter in the slightest how strong Yamato is. If she had joined, or if she was to join in the future, Zoro would still end up stronger than her if he is not already.
Yeah the random Ninja who is a 9 scabard substitute is more important than a Character that's been around for 3 arcs, sure buddy. How can you unironically say Momo and Kine'mon are de-facto SH and then say Shinobu > Carrot, do you not understand Kienemon traveled with the SH for 4 Arcs, Momo for 3 arcs and Carrot for 3 arcs? 0 awareness of the proportionally of importance on arcs.
Does it hurt that the random ninja was way more important than Carrot in the biggest arc of the timeskip?
My god. It does not matter that Carrot was around for three arcs. It matters what she did in those three arcs, which was precious little.
And I can say that Momo and Kin are de-facto Strawhats, without even the slightest hint of irony, cause that’s what happened in the fucking manga. Luffy invited them to his crew whenever they want to come.
You're never going to get a SH candidate centric arc again, Fishman island wasn't even about Jimbei, this is a pointless argument, in the Yonko saga no character will be arc centric outside maybe Rebeca.
Is this meant to be some sort of excuse for Carrot being a non-entity?
Jinbei got plenty of focus in FI. Arc starts with Luffy wanting to see him, he delivers the flashback about the islands history, he fights with Luffy, he fights alongside the Strawhats, the end to the action is him offering Luffy his blood and being invited to join the crew.
He had to share screentime with Shirahoshi, since she’s an Ancient Weapon and hugely important to EoS, but he certainly had his display.
But you do, you live in a universe where Carrot has had the same panels as Jimbei in the last 2 arcs and more panels in WCI than every Strawhat in Wano outside the monster trio.
Ahahaha, wow, all those panels of Carrot floating around in the background saying such amazing lines as “urrgh”, “gyaaa” and ”master Neko” really paid off for you guys, didn’t it?
Panel time is a worthless metric. It doesn’t differentiate between the importance of the panel. A double spread of a character doing something amazing counts the same as one of them being a blob in the background.
Carrot’s great panel time very much consisted of the latter.
"Compared to the most important 3 characters allied to the SH she's not special", ok? Cool and Yamato was with Luffy an evening, people still taught she'd join.
What kind of argument is this? So you know that Carrot isn’t actually special to the SH compared to Law, Momo and Kin? So what the fucks all this ranting about how amazing and important she was then?
Yamato got an invite after her afternoon with Luffy, he spent weeks with Carrot and doesn’t give a fuck about her. Off she went on Zou with nary a whisper from Luffy or even her brother Chopper.
What an amazingly important character. A de-facto Strawhat if ever I saw one.
The dream that's the same as Yamato + the Dawn is which is actually the most One piece centric dream sure and a role that's she's not only depicted as doing but she as actually done with the SH, what was Yamato role again?
Carrot did fuck about the Dawn lol.
And Usopp was literally doing the lookout job when Carrot was on the ship.
Yamato could have been an apprentice or a samurai, who cares, she didn’t join. But at least she has the option
Yeah like Shinobu right? She's more important than Carrot right? She got a gag that she got thin gj.
Don’t be mad that Oda spent more time actually developing Shinobu than he did Carrot.
But yeah Carrot is so irrelevant Oda drew her in SH centric panels
My god, you lot are hanging in to her hugging Jinbei for dear life, aren’t you? It’s all you have. Quite sad.
wrote her with them for 7 years with no narrative reason for her being there,
Hardly. She vanished off-screen with the Minks for most of Wano.
Ahahahahaha jesus christ the delusion. Carrot a mini-Vivi. My god. I too remember the one hundred arc saga revolving around getting Carrot to take the throne in Zou and ending with her promise with the Strawhats.
Oh wait no that was Momo.
in charge of a country that holds a Red poneglyph
That the Strawhats have already got a copy of, so that plot points over. Oda can’t even be bothered showing Carrot take the role.
back of an elephant that's obviously relevant to EOS
Whose panel time is spent with Luffy and Momo instead of Carrot, but sure
but she's just a "basic ass secondary char" sure bro.
Yup. Dull as dishwater. Shows up occasionally, is cheery, occasionally sad about Pedro, that’s about all there is to Carrot
Meanwhile Younko son asspull out of nowhere who existed for the final battle of an arc is a strong candidate.
Well yes, because, get this
Luffy has said Yamato can join the crew whenever she wants. And Yamato has said she wants to join the crew.
Which is rather important when talking about who might join the crew.
Now, personally, her staying behind leaves a sour taste in my mouth that makes it hard to care for her joining the crew so late in the day, but it’s worth a hell of a lot more than Carrot’s non-existent chances.
Also can you not reply by breaking down my answer into 30 micro arguments?
Well, everything you say is so dumb it needs to get picked apart piece by piece.
The main point is that Yamato doesnt have a dream
Opening the borders of Wano
Apprentice like her dad was for Rocks, samurai like Oden was for WB/Roger, make her a fighter now that Zoro is a Swordsmaster, or make Zoro official First Mate.
Four perfectly palatable options for Yamato should she ever get around to joining the crew.