General & Others No future opponent will make Luffy struggle as much as Kaido did

#81
K.O.ing Luffy multiple times while running through a gauntlet and essentially forcing Luffy into unlocking all the power ups there is:

- Haki flow
- Internal Destruction
- Haoshoku Coating
- Awakening

Luffy literally had to gain 4 power ups to finally stand his ground, and those are about all power ups Luffy could've achieved; against Blackbeard and his Yami hax, it will only come down to Luffy polishing his Haki further.

As for Admirals, what power up or polishing does Luffy realistically need?
 
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#82
No. I don't remember ever claiming that.
Yours :
And it doesn't even singe his moustache and Akainu gets oneshot from a Thunder Bagua

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...oilers-discussion.25375/page-466#post-2804713

In context you are arguing against @MagmaDog about hybrid kaido.

And same base luffy fought and clash hybird kaido . Base luffy don’t get one shot by thunder bagua .

Sound like you are make stalemate base luffy one shot admiral in one punch since base luffy clash equall with hybrid kaido.
 
#84
If it is not in the manga, then it is fanfic
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Yours :
And it doesn't even singe his moustache and Akainu gets oneshot from a Thunder Bagua

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...oilers-discussion.25375/page-466#post-2804713

In context you are arguing against @MagmaDog about hybrid kaido.

And same base luffy fought and clash hybird kaido . Base luffy don’t get one shot by thunder bagua .

Sound like you are make stalemate base luffy one shot admiral in one punch since base luffy clash equall with hybrid kaido.
Magma does not even singe Kaido Moustache as seen in the latest chapter. And Akainu gets one shot by Thunder Bagua. Luffy has some resistance to blunt damage. Akainu does not.
 
#86
no wall of text is going to change the fact that luffy was KO'd (lost) and that he was almost killed if it wasn't for outside help that was received.

I don't even know why we're discussing this?! or do you think Kaidou can't beat the (Ryou) version of Luffy? when its pre-adcoc version lasted 1 chapter.

Luffy lost and that's it, deal with it, use the plot use the plot armor to your advantage, but nothing will change the knockout that Luffy received and that could have cost his life ss if it wasn't for outside help.

The reason Luffy lost doesn't matter... What really matters is that he lost, you know? that's the point here.
You are a complete idiot.
It's irrelevant what happened there, it's not legit because when plot demands it, the rules wont be followed. I can give you dozens of examples about this, manga is full of them, that doesnt mean those situations are legit, because author doesnt care. Setting up and moving forward the plot is the most important thing.

Luffy tanked very clearly a stronger Ragnarok and other attacks and his durability didnt change in between those chapters. It's quite simple to understand unless you're a moron.
 
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#90
You are a complete idiot.
It's irrelevant what happened there, it's not legit because when plot demands it, the rules wont be followed. I can give you dozens of examples about this, manga is full of them, that doesnt mean those situations are legit, because author doesnt care. Setting up and moving forward the plot is the most important thing.

Luffy tanked very clearly a stronger Ragnarok and other attacks and his durability didnt change in between those chapters. It's quite simple to understand unless you're a moron.
It is not legitimate for someone like you to ask Oda to add an extra page stating that Luffy lost for X or Y reason why you are claiming this, your pet, Your ass, the point here is how many times Luffy lost and not about the reasons that led to Luffy suffer a crushing defeat, if you do not want to consider a Luffy in a state of unconsciousness and almost having his heart crushed by Kaido as not being a "legitimate" defeat, that’s not my problem, but nothing will change the fact that Luffy lost, don’t use the reasons that led him to have lost, The fact here is that he lost, the whole beginning of this debate starts with the fact that Luffy lost, and you’re trying to justify your defeat, To me, no matter what kind of crying you use to try to justify your defeat, his defeat will not cease to exist, it is in the pages of the manga for anyone.

This defeat will still be accounted for, justifying the reasons that led Luffy to lose will not cause his defeat to stop being counted.
It’s like trying to justify what happened in 923, claiming that Luffy was crazy and that he wasn’t using FS, it won’t change the fact that he lost, now you cry like a bitch saying X and Y was plot won’t help anything, because you are just a RANDOM in comparison to the great canonical evidence (pages) of Luffy unconscious and almost killed by Kaidou if it were not for the outside help he received.

923: Luffy lost, the reasons he lost doesn’t matter.
1009: Luffy lost, the reasons he lost doesn’t matter.
1013 or 1014: Again lost the reasons that led to defeat are irrelevant, these reasons you are giving.

Now you come with arguments that "Luffy lost because Zoro had a plot", you’re kidding right man? ...

"Kaido knocking out PUFFY with Ragnarok and almost crushing his heart is not a legitimate victory". :saden::saden:
So tell me what’s legit.:shame:

You realize that denying Kaidou’s victory as something legitimate changes nothing when in the sequence he won the pre-Acoc Luffy in just one chapter after... It makes no sense to deny Kaidou’s victory when he could defeat a superior version, which is how disconnected you are from this manga.

It is like saying that the Kaido’s victory over Luffy before the jump in time was not legitimate and the kaidou goes there and defeats the version of the Luffy post timeskip.:saden::saden::risitameh:,
And then what happened to the plot when the Kaido proved superior to the version he defeated in a way that according to you and your brain is not legitimate.:saden:,since the beginning of this discussion, it would only make sense to deny the defeat of Luffy if Kaidou did not have the ability to beat the pre-acoc Luffy that is superior to the version that lost to Kaidou. :risitameh:

It really is a very clever thing on your part to try to deny the defeat of Luffy version with only Ryou, Kaidou could not beat him no. LOL:risitameh:
"Luffy was knocked out by Ragnarok and then resisted one."
What part of the "plot" you're coming up with prevents Luffy from becoming stronger instead of weaker?! Luffy is the armor king of the plot.:saden:
 
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#91
It's not legit for someone like you, ask Oda to add an extra page stating that Luffy lost for X or Y reason why you're claiming your pet, the point here is how many times Luffy lost and not the reasons/reasons that led to him to a crushing defeat, you irrational animal, if you don't want to consider an unconscious Luffy and almost being killed by Kaido as not being a defeat that's your problem, but nothing will change the fact that Luffy lost, it's no use the reasons that led him to have lost, the fact here is that he lost, the whole principle of this debate starts with the fact that Luffy lost, and you are trying to justify his defeat, to me it doesn't matter what justification you try to use to satisfy your Headcanon nothing changes defeat from Luffy to Kaidou, you are literally trying to justify defeating Luffy. lol

This defeat will still be accounting, justifying the reasons that led Luffy to lose won't make his defeat go uncounted.

It's like trying to justify what happened in 923 by claiming that Luffy was mad and that he wasn't using FS, that won't change the fact that he lost, now you cry like a bitch saying X and Y is plot won't help you nothing, because you're just a Random compared to the great canon evidence (pages) of Luffy unconscious and nearly killed by Kaidou if it wasn't for the outside help he received.

Luffy's defeat will be counted, Luffy was knocked out and almost killed, no matter what justification you try his defeat will always be counted.
:gokulaugh::gokulaugh::cheers:
 
#93
It's a prediction of futurible events, not some nonsense picture
That picture is more likely to happen than your prediction which as always turns into an L.
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Luffy had to be protected from Papazuki. :gokulaugh:

Luffy didn't have to be protected from Crydo. :milaugh:
Actually Zoro and Yamato did protect Luffy from Kaido.
The hilarious thing is that Akainu with all the AdmiraLs and Fleet AdmiraL help could not even kill nerfed Pre TS Luffy and now we are talking about Top tier Luffy
 
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