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The rules.

I say Sanji vs King is not happening and you say it does.

But here is the thing what we are counting.

If Sanji kicks King and goes somewhere else it doesn't count right?

We are talking about pure 1 vs 1.
yeah we talking pure 1v1.

You might as well change your profile picture now.
 
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:gokulaugh:yeah Doffu would be weakened by bullets or beams when he can rank or block them easily without being hurt

Same with Cracker

:milaugh:you see how pathetic it is... 40 min is enough

Seriously, Marco is strong
Im impressed but his AP, endurance and stamina has been overrated
 

AoFuji

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Yo wait a second Marco is definitely using his flames to slowdown the virus on others look at Hyogoro he got Marco's flame aiding him.

Marco without the virus might legit be stroger than King+Queen combined :gokulaugh:
King and Queen are buffoons, but they haven't gone Hybrid so either they're complete retards like their captain or they just underestimating Marco.
 
Why are you putting them in this order?
Why not Drake=Page One
since they are above Ulti and Sasaki and both were introduced together
and Ulti=Sasaki?

Why are you choosing one pair over the other?
Ulti and pageone are framed at the same height in the spread. Sasaki noted pageone
being weak, then Ulti threatened Sasaki. We know Ulti is stronger than pageone.
 
Drake doesn't change his hands
Only his legs and head transforms, and has a tail

So according to you this shouldn't be Drakes hybrdi coz his arms aren't transformed...
good point

Drake looks like he is wearing a dino costume, guess he hasn't revealed his hybrid yet, he is partial zoan/hybrid form or whatever nonsense marco bois came up with
 
Why are people assuming that hybrid is a totally triumphant form and magically superior to other forms? lmao

If the combat strength of King and Queen in their base and zoan forms is 90, then the hybrid is 100. There is not much difference here.

Marco is still clearly portrayed above both calamities in this chapter
 
Not all hybrid forms have to look the same style. Page One looks different from Drake/Lucci/Kaku/Jabra hybrid. Kaido's hybrid based on the shadows looks to be similar to Lucci's. Ulti's hybrid looks more closer to what Marco did this chapter. Pell's hybrid form looks different.

I am definitely going to assume BM is in her hybrid form (aka man-beast form) as well. It's the literal definition of it, three forms that's all there is to it, not counting awakening.
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His full zoan is tankier than his hybrid.
And Marco is making his full zoan vomit blood.
Damaging his hybrid would be even easier.
Hybrid>>>full zoan. It's like saying Kaku's full giraffe is better than his hybrid.
 
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Lmao you are so wrong in many points, if not all of them.
Luffy base YC4? :milaugh:


So BM did less damage than Marco since she didn't make him cough blood? :milaugh:

King and Queen wouldn't even touch Kata in a 1 vs 1 lmao.

These two piece readers lol.
No base King with bullets or random slashes can hurt katakuri
When base king was matched by sanji who is below Boundman or equal in speed. And below boundmja in AP.

Base Queen will tag Kata

The same Queen who couldn't react or dodge nerfed Linlin

Bullets + beams will land on katakuri :josad:

Ichiji blasts > no damage
Capone and crew bullets > no damage
Pre fs G4 attacks > no damage
They don't land or hurt him

But :whitepress:King and Queen unnamed moves with lower speed and ap would

1 v2 or 1v3... Marco needs a miracle to land a hit on Kata
King and queen can never beat or weaken katakuri.

Katakuri fs and skills last almost a day...Marco can't
 

AoFuji

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Why did Oda make YC commanders so damn weak? Their strongest which seems to be Marco/Beckman are still little more than nuisances to top tiers. Fucking hell, respect them.

Or we won't
 
Let's have a bet, shall we? Let's bet, that we will see Marco's "true" hybrid form. With the phoenix DNA "morphing" into his human form, rather than having full zoan traits on full human body.
sure, so if Marco doesn't use a new form after fighting King and Queen then I win? Or you wanna wait whole arc?
Avatar bet?
 
King and Queen are buffoons, but they haven't gone Hybrid so either they're complete retards like their captain or they just underestimating Marco.
Not really surprised, Oda is using their cocky personalities at 100%. jack got defeated by suulong inu/neko and still thinks he can take all scabbards by himself. King and Queen were just fighting without even being serious.
Like Kaido, the calamities are the same, they think they are too good to be worried.
 
Not all hybrid forms have to look the same style. Page One looks different from Drake/Lucci/Kaku/Jabra hybrid. Kaido's hybrid based on the shadows looks to be similar to Lucci's. Ulti's hybrid looks more closer to what Marco did this chapter. Pell's hybrid form looks different.

I am definitely going to assume BM is in her hybrid form (aka man-beast form) as well. It's the literal definition of it, three forms that's all there is to it, not counting awakening.
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Hybrid>>>full zoan. It's like saying Kaku's full giraffe is better than his hybrid.
Hybrid forms are better overall, but with ancient zoan the full zoan is physically stronger.

Full Zoan Ulti held Luffy in place and was about to make him go gear 4, I don’t think hybrid Ulti can do that.
 

AoFuji

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Not really surprised, Oda is using their cocky personalities at 100%. jack got defeated by suulong inu/neko and still thinks he can take all scabbards by himself. King and Queen were just fighting without even being serious.
Like Kaido, the calamities are the same, they think they are too good to be worried.
I mean, Jack is still in his retarded full Zoan form and Queen was doing the same this chapter it appears. Even King is mostly in his base form, wtf are they doing.
 
Hope this helps
I'm not sure what's so complicated about differentiating between the words "Haki" and "Ryuo" from the words "Soul" and "Presence". They aren't the same at all.

Kawamatsu tells us that the soul that resides in a sword makes the wielder strong, not the haki but the soul. This goes for every other samurai in the raid that is also using the Swords of dead Samurai. They are all stronger as a result of the soul that lives in the blade.

Hitetsu tells us that before or after, only one person has ever tamed Enma and that was Oden. This implies that irrespective of Oden, Enma was always special.

Zoro's arm shrivels up as Enma takes his Haki from him. Then he takes his own haki back from Enma. Unless of course, you want to believe that "Oden's haki" is now living inside of Zoro's body.

Hitetsu tells us that Enma exudes its owner's Ryuo on its own and that it slices more than needed. This is what makes Enma special.

Zoro's first attack on Kaido with Enma doesn't do much meaningful damage, therefore he has to unleash Enma more because he's not letting it take enough of his own haki. Since Zoro is over restricting Enma, we aren't seeing what makes Enma special and neither is Kaido (a.k.a, he doesn't notice it).

In the very next chapter, Zoro lets Enma take a very large amount of haki from him. Kaido is confused since this doesn't resemble one of the swords from a minute ago. Additionally, Big Mom tells Kaido to dodge since it's no ordinary sword. (She's correct, Enma is special).

Right after the attack, Kaido asks himself "How does [Zoro's] katana bear the presence of Oden within it?". This is a good question from Kaido, why would some random swordsman's blade have Oden's presence in it? This gets answered later on.
We see Zoro huffing as a result of Enma taking a large amount of his haki, we can now deduce that there is a consequence for "unleashing" too much of Enma.

Zoro does a three-sword style attack however, Enma is singled out because it's the sword that has the most of his haki in comparison to all of the other swords (look at the effect). This makes sense because, with his other swords, Zoro has to manually flow his haki into them. With Enma, the sword takes his haki, all Zoro has to do is regulate how much of his haki the sword takes. Think of it like this, prior to Enma, Zoro is able to put 30% of his own haki into his swords. With Enma, he can now put 60% of his own haki into his swords. Of course, these are just arbitrary numbers, but you get the point. That's what Enma allows him to do and that's why Enma is so special.

As he sees the incoming attack, Kaido wonders to himself if Enma is the source of that strange Haki. Notice how he finds the haki strange and not familiar? Why would Kaido, a man who's felt and seen Oden's haki in the past not recognise Oden's haki with now 2 confrontations with it?

Finally, after further inspection, Kaido gets the answer to his question from earlier. Why does Zoro's katana bear the presence of Oden within it? Well, it's because it's Oden's sword, and if you recall what Kawamatsu said earlier. The soul of a samurai essentially remains in their katana. Hence why it gives Kaido the vibe of Oden. This tells us that the pain that Kaido receives after an Enma attack is the same while the sensation of the haki is different. (But But Oden's haki??)

So to finish, Enma 100% uses Zoro's haki.
However, Zoro is stronger because Oden's soul resides in Enma. This isn't just for Zoro, but for every Samurai using the swords of other fallen Samurai.
 
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