Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1016 Spoilers Discussion

[Ssg super suit coby]

First of all sanji has never had an extreme diff fight and it aint starting now and ppl love hating on the raid suit like zoro dosen't get superpowered ass swords every other arc

Bullshit. You can't even remotely compare the two.

One uses and utilizes what its user already has which is haki

The other grants the user's abilities he literally would not have without it. While at the same time only having the restriction of being warn by that particular user because of genetic sequencing. Which means that sanji at any moment in his life baby or toddler could have worn the suit

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As in its not a light beam.........still ulti got up......fulgora still takes the cake when you talk about AOE........

AOE will always be less effective than actually AP since AP is always more combat focused

 

[draganax]

for them downplayers saying that zoan DF doesn't increase your physical stats, what now? huh?

zeus: she is tough on the surface, but her insides are battered from mama's attack!!!

meaning that kaku's duriki got increased after he consumed the DF.

 

[Fuckthis3]

@Fuckthis3 someone said internals

Cool it a great feeling

 

[MonsterKaido]

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AOE will always be less effective than actually AP since AP is always more combat focused

So? I am just pointing the obvi difference.........how can you say maser canon's AP is > fulgora's

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

for them downplayers saying that zoan DF doesn't increase your physical stats, what now? huh?



meaning that kaku's duriki got increased after he consumed the DF.

To me it was always dumb that people actually believe that it didn't increase douriki when strength speed versatility and durability were all increased thanks to their zoan forms

 

[Abysmal]

Cool it a great feeling

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

So? I am just pointing the obvi difference.........how can you say maser canon's AP is > fulgora's

Ummmm because it's a focus beam that's why. AP is a focused attack against opponents. AOE is dispersed destructive capacity that has an area affect

 

[MonsterKaido]

Ummmm because it's a focus beam that's why. AP is a focused attack against opponents. AOE is dispersed destructive capacity that has an area affect

So a bullet has more AP than a Bomb?

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

So a bullet has more AP than a Bomb?

Ughhhhh let's see........ someone's shooting precise rounds at me or a person dropping a bomb in the city in which i will not physically feel it since I am not in the immediate area......hmmmmm let me think

On top of that that analogy was piss since you would have to compare both attacks already having similar destructive capacity.

So next time use a more clever example like a missile be shot at me and a bomb being let off. That's a better example. But that would actually answer your point hence why I you didn't use that instead I guess

 

[Finalbeta]

Electronic Arts is the game company that does FIFA.

Oh that one I had thought about that one only actually haha.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Ughhhhh let's see........ someone's shooting precise rounds at me or a person dropping a bomb in the city in which i will not physically feel it since I am not in the immediate area......hmmmmm let me think

On top of that that analogy was piss since you would have to compare both attacks already having similar destructive capacity.

So next time use a more clever example like a missile be shot at me and a bomb being let off. That's a better example. But that would actually answer your point hence why I you didn't use that instead I guess

Yeah fulgora is more like a missile.......that is the point.....we do not know which has more AP precisely but since it is a bigger attack it is more powerful attack.........

 

[CbShadow]

If it was confirmed she can use it consciously (which I’m sure of since her attack on that Number when she met Franky)
Are you going to aknoeledge it? Or will you keep denying

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When you’re on the brink, that’s where you bloom in Haki and show something greater...
Meaning had Zoro not gone extreme, and if he wasn’t in bad state, he wouldn’t have gotten his CoC awakening... which is why Zoro is Unaware he could use it

Meaning, he was lucky that he got into that extreme state inb4 doing the final attack, otherwise he wouldn’t have given Kaido his permenanscar by CoC awakening...

Also my words are backed up by Rayleigh and Grandpa Hyo words about Haki evolving...
So no point in trying to say Fresh Zoro would have done better, cause he would NOT
this was his best attack, period, fresh or not fresh! It was the best he could pull off

Even if Zoro wouldn't have been in that state he would have still scarred Kaido.

First, the manga implied his flying dragon blaze has the power to scar Kaido. That's why Big Mom and Kaido were so worried about the attack. There's no need for them to be that worry about an attack Kaido can easily heal from. If that attack can scar Kaido than Zoro's other high end attacks has the potential to do the same. IE: Death lion song, 1080 pound canon, and billion world technique.

Second, there is no evidence supporting Zoro needs to use CoC to scar Kaido. Even Kiku can at least hurt Kaido. Since there is evidence supporting Zoro's none asura attack can scar Kaido than his Asura attacks, which are stronger can definitely scar Kaido. Zoro now has 3 asura attacks.

Would Zoro in better condition beat or kill Kaido? Of course not, but he would give Kaido harder and longer fight, and scar him more. Zoro, while weaken and heavily injured in asura mode, blitzed Kaido and deflected all of his attacks. Zoro in better condition would have done the same if not better in that area. Since Zoro has never passed out from using asura mode he should be able to use it longer and/or several times in battle.

You can see a fresh Zoro would have performed better against Kaido in a 1v1 because he would be able to fight Kaido longer and use more attacks that have to power to scar and weaken Kaido. Since Kaido is stronger than Zoro he would be able to push Zoro to his limit which would still cause Zoro to unlock adv CoC haki and use against Kaido. In the end Zoro would still end up with CoC. But now Kaido would be in worse shape.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Yeah fulgora is more like a missile.......that is the point.....we do not know which has more AP precisely but since it is a bigger attack it is more powerful attack.........

Hmmmmmm. Starting to see your point. Brbm gonna look at the attack panels again

 

[Raughtale]

When used against people Maser > Fulgora unless you believe Kid and Killer have tougher skin than Ulti.

 

[spawn]

Would Zoro in better condition beat or kill Kaido? Of course not, but he would give Kaido harder and longer fight, and scar him more. Zoro, while weaken and heavily injured in asura mode, blitzed Kaido and deflected all of his attacks. Zoro in better condition would have done the same if not better in that area. Since Zoro has never passed out from using asura mode he should be able to use it longer and/or several times in battle.

This.
I think people forget that Asura is a sword-style just like 3-sword-style, 2-sword-style, and etcetera.
Had Zoro not taken Hakkai, he would have been fighting Kaido and scarred him multiple times with different Asura attacks, and only then would he have gone down.

This can't happen because Oda wanted to set up Luffy and Kaido as a 1v1 so that Luffy could get obliterated and so that the alliance would hear of that news and get discouraged.
If Zoro had nerfed Kaido, then Luffy would actually have a chance to win.
This is what many people thought would happen. They expected Zoro's significant moment to be him scarring Kaido so that Luffy has something to aim at that will help him win.

 

[Studentz]

Give it a rest already. You're getting pathetic over a fictional character and attacking their fans. Feel free to not reply.

But i like all the SH characters, not just 1 or 2 stanners

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Yeah fulgora is more like a missile.......that is the point.....we do not know which has more AP precisely but since it is a bigger attack it is more powerful attack.........

Checked the panels an its clear that fulgora isn't as focused as masser canon. Also that move is a combined move of all 3 homies. So naturally it would be more ppwerful

When used against people Maser > Fulgora unless you believe Kid and Killer have tougher skin than Ulti.

Yeah I have to agree

 

[draganax]

Even if Zoro wouldn't have been in that state he would have still scarred Kaido.

First, the manga implied his flying dragon blaze has the power to scar Kaido. That's why Big Mom and Kaido were so worried about the attack. There's no need for them to be that worry about an attack Kaido can easily heal from. If that attack can scar Kaido than Zoro's other high end attacks has the potential to do the same. IE: Death lion song, 1080 pound canon, and billion world technique.

Second, there is no evidence supporting Zoro needs to use CoC to scar Kaido. Even Kiku can at least hurt Kaido. Since there is evidence supporting Zoro's none asura attack can scar Kaido than his Asura attacks, which are stronger can definitely scar Kaido. Zoro now has 3 asura attacks.

Would Zoro in better condition beat or kill Kaido? Of course not, but he would give Kaido harder and longer fight, and scar him more. Zoro, while weaken and heavily injured in asura mode, blitzed Kaido and deflected all of his attacks. Zoro in better condition would have done the same if not better in that area. Since Zoro has never passed out from using asura mode he should be able to use it longer and/or several times in battle.

You can see a fresh Zoro would have performed better against Kaido in a 1v1 because he would be able to fight Kaido longer and use more attacks that have to power to scar and weaken Kaido. Since Kaido is stronger than Zoro he would be able to push Zoro to his limit which would still cause Zoro to unlock adv CoC haki and use against Kaido. In the end Zoro would still end up with CoC. But now Kaido would be in worse shape.

 

[zzShinichi]

Maser is more like a concentrated critical damage nuke on a single target, think of Lion's Finger of death in Dota
Whearas Fulgora is more of a Crowd control, AOE damage like Queen of Pain's Sonic Wave

 

[MonsterKaido]

Checked the panels an its clear that fulgora isn't as focused as masser canon. Also that move is a combined move of all 3 homies. So naturally it would be more ppwerful

Not focused...well it made a hole through the skull............not really its more precise is all..........

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When used against people Maser > Fulgora unless you believe Kid and Killer have tougher skin than Ulti.

I don't think that attack hit them directly.......it made a hole and the force drag them through it.........