Who is the skeleton / Whats the purpose?


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- Hakai
- Hiryu Kaen
- Tatsumaki
- Ashura

Funny because Zoro has feats against legitimate top tiers right now, that Sanji is only going to get by EoS.
All AP feats..
Still worst durability and speed than Sanji.
AP isn't enough with someone faster than King and Marco.
And Zoro's skin can be damaged by Apoo's attacks.
Apoo who was scared of Queen.
 
Zoro's incredible feats are being replicated by some fodders.


:kobeha::kobeha::kobeha::jordanmf:
We can finally stop with "Zoro has feats against Yonko, Sanji doesn't" shit.
Even fodders can replicate what Zoro did, no, even better since this Is 100% Big Mom while the one on rooftop wasn't.
Call me when Zoro has some feats against serious Yonkos and doesn't faint and need a power-up against someone on Queen's league.
Don't worry, Zoro doesn't faint against shitters like Queen or Vergo level cooks.:steef:
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Yeah but the moment she creates them ; they became a separate entity ; if we are talking about a gas element then its much easier for the user to combine it with air but its much harder for magma
As I said, it is not about what the logia is - that isn't how the basic definition of their abilities work. By definition - they can control their element. We also have examples of Enel, Caesar and Monet doing it.

From a meta perspective, their awakenings of turning their environment into their element is solely made so because it gives them a lot of their element to control alongside it's other perks.
 
Zoro's incredible feats are being replicated by some fodders.


:kobeha::kobeha::kobeha::jordanmf:
We can finally stop with "Zoro has feats against Yonko, Sanji doesn't" shit.
Even fodders can replicate what Zoro did, no, even better since this Is 100% Big Mom while the one on rooftop wasn't.
Call me when Zoro has some feats against serious Yonkos and doesn't faint and need a power-up against someone on Queen's league.
That attack hit all the supernovas on the roof i'm yet to see any Zoro fan credit that only to him, now you are just making up bs:seriously:
 
As I said, it is not about what the logia is - that isn't how the basic definition of their abilities work. By definition - they can control their element. We also have examples of Enel, Caesar and Monet doing it.

From a meta perspective, their awakenings of turning their environment into their element is solely made so because it gives them a lot of their element to control alongside it's other perks.
Yeah the BM homie arguments vs Logia is over either way.
Either Logias really have Awakening like DD and Kata (both creator types), which is likely, her using homies does not trump their control over it.
Or they can´t, she uses the homies, but it does nothing against them either.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
All AP feats..
Still worst durability and speed than Sanji.
AP isn't enough with someone faster than King and Marco.
And Zoro's skin can be damaged by Apoo's attacks.
Apoo who was scared of Queen.
Hakai isn't an AP feat and his CoA defenses could hold off an Island buster from 2 Yonkous momentarily and then endure the damage. Sanji has nothing even close to that. And his defenses only got stronger with CoC coating given how one can use it defensively and offensively just like CoA barriers.
 
As I said, it is not about what the logia is - that isn't how the basic definition of their abilities work. By definition - they can control their element. We also have examples of Enel, Caesar and Monet doing it.

From a meta perspective, their awakenings of turning their environment into their element is solely made so because it gives them a lot of their element to control alongside it's other perks.
--Pretty sure the definition of control means what they create and caesar/croc are bit different

--It has been simple otherwise what you are saying that aokiji can control and throw the ice jozu threw ; for that matter aokiji can control the glacier which WB broke and so on which is not the case

--Kidd's ability is to manipulate metal so if a huge bar of metal is thrown at him he can control it through magnetism ; how will aokiji or other logia manipulate such objects when they are not in contact?
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Yeah the BM homie arguments vs Logia is over either way.
Either Logias really have Awakening like DD and Kata (both creator types), which is likely, her using homies does not trump their control over it.
Or they can´t, she uses the homies, but it does nothing against them either.
Yeah.

Katakuri is a logia for all practical purposes, there's very little reason to assume that the C3 Awakenings would be different from Katakuri's outside of the specifics ofcourse. Like a move which turns the entire battlefield into Magma like Ever White or Flowing Mochi. Akainu might even be able to make Giant Magma fists from mid-air like Katakuri's Power Mochi given he's a brawler type - he even has his own Magma G3 versions. Kinda stoked to see how Oda designs their awakenings.
 
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