Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1116 Spoilers Discussion

[Yo Tan Wa]

I read someone say Teach crew are reserved while Gorosie are showing their abilities. Aka former are stronger.

Where do these people come from

G5 Luffy who beat Kaidou is running away from one of Gorosie in 3 vs 1.

Vs

Teach crew being helpless/non-actor against Ace, Magellan, Sengoku, Sabo, Garp, Law. Literally every fight Teach has been so far.

 

[comrade]

If Ak is all good and WG is all evil then there was no need for Rayleigh to say this.

If we couple this statement with what VP says then it's clear oda is dropping a hint about AK perhaps not being all good.


There has to be a reason why 20 kingdoms rose against AK.

There has to be a reason why Lily a D fought against Ak.

Perhaps AK wasn't all good and joyboy realised it and that's why he sail to get freedom.

Good point. Though there surely is a distinction between the first 20 kings and the WG (which Lily disagreed to be part of). The ancient royal families are no more, now we have Imu and his Gorosei who rule for the last couple of hundred years, with Imu being from ancient times. The very promise the kings made to not take the throne, was broken by Imu to reign supreme as a dictator.

But yeah, it seems Oda wants to have a more nuanced view. At least in regards to the ancient war.

 

[Reborn]

I read someone say Teach crew are reserved while Gorosie are showing their abilities. Aka former are stronger.

Where do these people come from

G5 Luffy who beat Kaidou is running away from one of Gorosie in 3 vs 1.

Vs

Teach crew being helpless/non-actor against Ace, Magellan, Sengoku, Garp, Law. Literally every fight Teach has been so far.

Go back to playing Mafia, baldie

 

[SpoonDFork]

So Vegapunk doesn't know who stole part of the Mother Flame or for what outside of reviving an ancient weapon, and the recording was made before Lulusia was destroyed, yet he somehow knows Lulusia was targeted despite that there's no way he could've known that since the only way he could've known it would be destroyed is if he already knew that Sabo was there and would be blabbing about Imu beforehand?

His predictions are based on probabilities, by which he deduces what might unfold. Being able to predict how/when an event happens is easier than predicting the actors in that event

 

[Foul Legacy]

I swear to god. This nika or joytoy dif made some dumb decision during wars if he's character is like luffy

 

[SpoonDFork]

My prediction:
Imu was an alien from a certain clan who lived on earth for some reason, he was part of Joyboy's crew, and Lili too, Imu really loved her, but at some point Lili ate some strange mythical zoan devil fruit that controlled her body and made her attack Joyboy. In desperation, she ended up killing herself by stabbing herself in the heart with Joyboy's sword. When Imu arrives and sees Lili dead, making it look like Joyboy killed Lili, Imu has a mental breakdown and an explosion of hate. Now he wants to destroy this world and create a perfect world by enslaving the filthy humans who killed her love.

Have you been following the story? Lol - we literally know what happened to her

 

[Reborn]

Good point. Though there surely is a distinction between the first 20 kings and the WG (which Lily disagreed to be part of). The ancient royal families are no more, now we have Imu and his Gorosei who rule for the last couple of hundred years, with Imu being from ancient times. The very promise the kings made to not take the throne, was broken by Imu to reign supreme as a dictator.

But yeah, it seems Oda wants to have a more nuanced view. At least in regards to the ancient war.

Yeah!

WG in present form is inherently evil.


I see it in different way.


WG ideology or cause to overthrow Ak might not be evil thus Lily siding with them but the moment they got the power they got corrupted and took form of authoritative rule.


So, what I think is oda wants to portray that both parties were responsible for the war. There is no good or bad side because both ended up being part of that massive destruction.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Go back to playing Mafia, baldie

It's okay Blackbeard is amazing..

 

[Moewu]

That final comment fits so many Characters. "He who knows the truth simply laughs"

Even my man Crocus was chilling because he was prepared for the flood living inside Laboon.

I wonder if Dr Kureha also knew something about living on the drum rocks, which, according to her, are 5000 meters above sea level.

 

[Foul Legacy]

That final comment fits so many Characters. "He who knows the truth simply laughs"

I have been saying all along.
Rayleigh choose to live directly next to RedLine and Marineford and nobody baited an eye on him.
He was himself prepared for it.

 

[Worst]

That final comment fits so many Characters. "He who knows the truth simply laughs"

Even my man Crocus was chilling because he was prepared for the flood living inside Laboon.

I wonder if Dr Kureha also knew something about living on the drum rocks, which, according to her, are 5000 meters above sea level.

Not just that but other allies share this as well....the Minks, the Skypieans, Wano Samurai....are all pretty safe against another potential flood

 

[Foul Legacy]

Tbh I like this dilemma thing.
It's much better than Nika is good , imu is bad hence they fought.
There's literally game of throne going on here

 

[Reborn]

That final comment fits so many Characters. "He who knows the truth simply laughs"

Even my man Crocus was chilling because he was prepared for the flood living inside Laboon.

I wonder if Dr Kureha also knew something about living on the drum rocks, which, according to her, are 5000 meters above sea level.

They all know 22 years in future shit will go down crazy.

They are just waiting for that moment.

And, the reason Roger priates didn't reveal it is simply because it doesn't matter - prophecy is set in stone for 22 years in future and that's why they left on young to figure out themselves

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

But he only says that because he figured out but a small part of history and doesn't understand why Joyboy would like to pass the ancient weapons to the next generations.

But Vegapunk worked very closely with the WG throughout his career. If he thought WG was evil, he would have assumed that Joyboy was on the right side, wouldn't he?

but said himself that he is sick of the atrocities committed by the WG

Where does he say that? I cant remember

We also had Dragon leaving the Marines and opposing the WG, saying it is rotten and corrupted.

The WG isn't perfect, but it does good for the people. Not every pirate or outlaw is like Luffy/Shanks, most of them are violent criminals. The WG protects its citizens from those criminals. You could say that the federation is corrupt and rotten, like many third-world countries in the rl, but you would rather choose an oppressive and corrupt government than a drug cartel to run a country.

I mean, what does "inherently evil" mean anyways? It's Doffy's speech all over again, that history and what's right and wrong is decided by the winner.

My boy Doffy! What a speech! Might be the greatest speech of the series.

I think the "evil" part will be manifested by the "absolute freedom" ideology of Blackbeard. Even a free society needs to follow the rules and regulations, you cant run over a red light. Blackbeard's absolute freedom will bring chaos and anarchy to the world.

 

[Foul Legacy]

Did anyone figure what treasure of Mariejois , Doffy was blackmaiking Gorosei upon?

 

[Reborn]

Did anyone figure what treasure of Mariejois , Doffy was blackmaiking Gorosei upon?

Lily's portrait

 

[Foul Legacy]

Lily's portrait

How is that a treasure?
More like a secret but no treasure.
There are secrets which are treasure.

 

[Reborn]

How is that a treasure?
More like a secret but no treasure.
There are secrets which are treasure.

It's a treasure for Simpu

 

[Moewu]

They all know 22 years in future shit will go down crazy.

They are just waiting for that moment.

And, the reason Roger priates didn't reveal it is simply because it doesn't matter - prophecy is set in stone for 22 years in future and that's why they left on young to figure out themselves

Now I wonder if the Rocks pirates knew about this as well? We know from Chapter 0 that Shiki knew about the ancient weapons at least.

But then we had Ochuko, another former rocks pirate who was the former leader of Hachinosu, which didn't look to me it could withstand a flood. If Blackbeard never came to beat him, was he just planning to spend the rest of his days there?

There must be more to it, I believe. Certainly they wouldn't just let the island that's also refered to as Pirates Paradise, be so vunerable to the Sea.

 

[MonsterZoro]

if sanji not here i am not either