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This would truly be a Loda moment because we have Don Chinjao, a fodder to top tiers, and Katakuri having CoC. The latter is a direct subordinate to a Yonko.
Each admiral represents their own kind of justice with their own ambition. King lacking CoC was already bad but this really makes no sense. They don't even have to show ACoC. CoC is already enough.
Each admiral represents their own kind of justice with their own ambition. King lacking CoC was already bad but this really makes no sense. They don't even have to show ACoC. CoC is already enough.
He's full of crap.
The Marines are literally the ones who reign supreme as of now in the battle for supremacy which Chinjao and Doffy talked about and Chinjao mentioned this is a battle of Supreme Kings challenging each other to stand at the top
The Marines are literally the ones who reign supreme as of now in the battle for supremacy which Chinjao and Doffy talked about and Chinjao mentioned this is a battle of Supreme Kings challenging each other to stand at the top
Advanced Conqueror's Haki (ACOC) was a hot topic during the Egghead arc, with heated debates about whether the black lightning was a sign of using ACOC, with the Gorosei using its basic version, and Luffy and Zoro being the only two characters able to use it in its advanced form in Egghead. However, Kizaru showed himself to be completely lacking in this regard.
- He didn’t display any black lightning that could be derived from Armament Haki (COA), Conqueror’s Haki (COC), or even the advanced ACOC.
Why didn’t Green Bull use his Conqueror's Haki in the Holy Land? It would have been the best option for him if he had it, since ACOC isn’t as destructive and could have given him a chance to defeat Morley. LOL
Take the L, the Admirals don’t have COC like Kaidou.
The battle for the throne is solely about Luffy and the opponents he faces, decisively defeating them.
Keep fooling your brain. 'We have barely seen Ryokugyu at all,' not only did we see him, but Oda also created appropriate scenarios for him to use Conqueror's Haki (COC), and yet he didn't.
Let me say this, even though Oda's writing has made it clear up to this point: only Garp and Sengoku have Conqueror's Haki and can use it in its advanced form. The admirals are failures who, besides not having basic Conqueror's Haki, won’t even have awakening.
Ryokugyu:
Let me say this, even though Oda's writing has made it clear up to this point: only Garp and Sengoku have Conqueror's Haki and can use it in its advanced form. The admirals are failures who, besides not having basic Conqueror's Haki, won’t even have awakening.
Ryokugyu:
- Goes to Wano, fights the weakened Scabbards, doesn't show Conqueror's Haki (COC).
- Fights the revolutionaries in a scenario where his Devil Fruit powers were restricted, and he had to rely on something else, and guess what? No Conqueror's Haki.
- The first idiot to be surprised by Luffy's use of basic Conqueror's Haki during Marineford, an attitude that screams his lack of COC.
- Doesn't show any of it at Sabaody, the same arc where Rayleigh exhibited his basic COC.
- Has the chance to display his abilities after Wano, where Oda is making every person with advanced or basic COC demonstrate that they have it, and guess what? He showed nothing. He had plenty of panels for that, Oda could have even made him split the skies with Luffy, but that's an impossible dream for a "Latrine."
- Same scenario as Green Bull and Kizaru, though of them all, he's the most likely to possess it, since unlike the others, he doesn't behave like a filthy slave like Kizaru.
- Also no. He had the chance to show it against Kuma, and Kuzan doesn't have it either, so it's hard to believe that this pathetic Fleet Admiral took 10 days to beat someone as pathetic like Kuzan who doesn't have ACOC.
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Ok, with Akainu I know you are just trolling.
Same with Fuji, that for some reason should be the only Saijo user in the manga without CoC lol.
And so on, I mean.
I don't know how one can even start saying we have seen Ryokugyu "plenty of times", since he was inside, idk, two, three chapters total and all his fights were off screened bar when he destoryed the scrabbards. Plus, he Is has a black Blade, and that should say all.
Talking about BM or BB not showing CoC for much longer and in much more dire situations, or Luffy that barely showed It at EH, would be even too easy
Same with Fuji, that for some reason should be the only Saijo user in the manga without CoC lol.
And so on, I mean.
I don't know how one can even start saying we have seen Ryokugyu "plenty of times", since he was inside, idk, two, three chapters total and all his fights were off screened bar when he destoryed the scrabbards. Plus, he Is has a black Blade, and that should say all.
Talking about BM or BB not showing CoC for much longer and in much more dire situations, or Luffy that barely showed It at EH, would be even too easy
Am I trolling with Akainu? How is it my fault if he went through the entire Marineford arc without showing basic Conqueror’s Haki (CoC) at a time when Oda was having Shanks and Whitebeard split the skies with such power? And after Wano, he still hasn’t shown it, not even against Kuma. So, if I’m not betting on a guy who has never used CoC = Troll, I suppose I can already deduce the type of person I’m dealing with.
Like I explained last time, this is no guarantee the most we can say is that he has a high chance (and unlike the other admirals, I haven’t denied that high possibility). However, I’m rational enough to know that it’s still just speculation, and high chances don’t translate into a concrete fact. Who knows how Oda’s mind is working these days? Look at Kaidou without an awakening, Big Mom without an awakening, and Kizaru without Conqueror’s Haki and awakening. And there you are, putting faith in a rushed generalization.
Again, give me a reason for him not using his advanced Conqueror’s Haki (AdCoC) in a context where he couldn’t fully utilize his Devil Fruit powers. We don’t know how black blades are forged unless, of course, you can show me the manga panel that specifically says CoC/AdCoC is a requirement. And it’s not even clear if he possesses a black blade as of the latest updates. He had an almost complete battle against the wounded retainers, made no use of AdCoC, and ended up being humiliated by an 8-year-old child who could barely use her powers properly. Ultimately, Green Bull was praising the strong Haki of a tired base Yamato’s attack and getting humiliated by Shanks’ Haki. Still, it’s hilarious that a supposed black blade forger with such strong Haki is out here finding impressive a Haki that isn’t even capable of splitting the skies with Kaidou—that says a lot about him.
And Big Mom used Conqueror's Haki during Whole Cake Island, so I don’t know where you’re trying to go with this... Again, Big Mom used Advanced Conqueror's Haki (Acoc) on-panel. If you're trying to say that the admirals’ fighting style is similar to Big Mom’s, who for some unknown reason chooses not to stack her punches with Acoc, then that’s a foolish smokescreen. Considering that, during several moments of the fight, black lightning was coming off her body, and people were fainting... Link
For now, Blackbeard doesn’t have Conqueror's Haki (CoC), and I’m not going around saying that he does. However, it’s not hard to imagine him having it, considering his endgame role, which is far more important than any of the government's lapdogs.
Like I explained last time, this is no guarantee the most we can say is that he has a high chance (and unlike the other admirals, I haven’t denied that high possibility). However, I’m rational enough to know that it’s still just speculation, and high chances don’t translate into a concrete fact. Who knows how Oda’s mind is working these days? Look at Kaidou without an awakening, Big Mom without an awakening, and Kizaru without Conqueror’s Haki and awakening. And there you are, putting faith in a rushed generalization.
Again, give me a reason for him not using his advanced Conqueror’s Haki (AdCoC) in a context where he couldn’t fully utilize his Devil Fruit powers. We don’t know how black blades are forged unless, of course, you can show me the manga panel that specifically says CoC/AdCoC is a requirement. And it’s not even clear if he possesses a black blade as of the latest updates. He had an almost complete battle against the wounded retainers, made no use of AdCoC, and ended up being humiliated by an 8-year-old child who could barely use her powers properly. Ultimately, Green Bull was praising the strong Haki of a tired base Yamato’s attack and getting humiliated by Shanks’ Haki. Still, it’s hilarious that a supposed black blade forger with such strong Haki is out here finding impressive a Haki that isn’t even capable of splitting the skies with Kaidou—that says a lot about him.
And Big Mom used Conqueror's Haki during Whole Cake Island, so I don’t know where you’re trying to go with this... Again, Big Mom used Advanced Conqueror's Haki (Acoc) on-panel. If you're trying to say that the admirals’ fighting style is similar to Big Mom’s, who for some unknown reason chooses not to stack her punches with Acoc, then that’s a foolish smokescreen. Considering that, during several moments of the fight, black lightning was coming off her body, and people were fainting... Link
For now, Blackbeard doesn’t have Conqueror's Haki (CoC), and I’m not going around saying that he does. However, it’s not hard to imagine him having it, considering his endgame role, which is far more important than any of the government's lapdogs.
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