Opinion - Dante is a Cooler Villain than Zenon

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Fleet Admiral Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#1
No fancy introduction here lol. I like Dante more than Zenon. Sure Dante has had more focus so far, but I still think he’s cooler.

Dante has an air of Charisma and Confidence about himself. Like he knows he’s better than you are. Look at his demeanor:

Hands in pockets, no fucks given, nonchalantly reacting to Asta’s charge, and then when he pins Asta:

He still doesn’t give af lol. These are like Doflamingo levels of charisma.

He tries to pick up Vanessa:

I think the reason Dante Lucifero’s Gravity/Spatial Magic and not his own, has to do with how Dante sees life:

Dante thinks the realm of the Devils is far more interesting than the human world. He undoubtedly thinks of Devil-kind as being superior to humankind, and thus he almost exclusively uses Lucifero’s Magic at first, even stating that he never thought that he’d have to use his own magic:

Dante’s view on the human world and humans being inferior to Demons and the Demon realm undoubtedly explains why he doesn’t want to use his own magic in favor of Lucifero’s lol.

Little did he know how hard Yami and Asta would push him. Tabata really outdid himself on Dante’s Hulking Form:

I think it’s fitting that a boss like Dante would be chosen by the Devil King himself:

As Dante’s ridiculous levels of $wag and confidence make him stand above Zenon imo.

That’s all lol. No super in depth post here, I just think Dante is awesome. Zenon is cool too but Dante is my preferred member of the Spade Trio Lol.

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Seth

𝐊𝐨𝐤𝐮𝐭𝐨 𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐢
#3
No fancy introduction here lol. I like Dante more than Zenon. Sure Dante has had more focus so far, but I still think he’s cooler.

Dante has an air of Charisma and Confidence about himself. Like he knows he’s better than you are. Look at his demeanor:

Hands in pockets, no fucks given, nonchalantly reacting to Asta’s charge, and then when he pins Asta:

He still doesn’t give af lol. These are like Doflamingo levels of charisma.

He tries to pick up Vanessa:

I think the reason Dante Lucifero’s Gravity/Spatial Magic and not his own, has to do with how Dante sees life:

Dante thinks the realm of the Devils is far more interesting than the human world. He undoubtedly thinks of Devil-kind as being superior to humankind, and thus he almost exclusively uses Lucifero’s Magic at first, even stating that he never thought that he’d have to use his own magic:

Dante’s view on the human world and humans being inferior to Demons and the Demon realm undoubtedly explains why he doesn’t want to use his own magic in favor of Lucifero’s lol.

Little did he know how hard Yami and Asta would push him. Tabata really outdid himself on Dante’s Hulking Form:

I think it’s fitting that a boss like Dante would be chosen by the Devil King himself:

As Dante’s ridiculous levels of $wag and confidence make him stand above Zenon imo.

That’s all lol. No super in depth post here, I just think Dante is awesome. Zenon is cool too but Dante is my preferred member of the Spade Trio Lol.

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Ngl I love Zenon for his badass like entrances and zero expression at all + he comes in and gets the job done not like Vanica and Zenon who likes to play with their meat ( nothing sexual ). But if we stick to the context then yes Dante is the most impressive Triad for now.

His entrance was one of the funniest yet still badass moments in this Manga. Dante just shows up in front of the base and fucking flips it around thinking: "Yami r u here bruh?".

We know Black Bulls ain't no bunch of fodders with their unique magic types and etc + all of them should be above Spirit Guardians offensive wise at this point and mind you besides the fact that Spirit Guardians lost they didn't die.

A lot of people will probably bring up something like "Whole Bulls squad would fuck Dante" well no.

This motherfucker as Admiral mentioned fucking toyed with the majority of the Bulls including fucking MC himself who's magic should counter every shit on this world yet Dante toyed with them with his hands in his pockets. Then Berserk Asta shows up. Dante fucking pins him to the ground like a fucking cockroach with a snap of his fingers.

I loved Dante's show off against Black Bulls because whenever a new villain shows up you are like: "ok but Asta Anti Magic goes brrr and villain gone". Not fucking today. I love whenever someone proves that having super hax is useless when you are weak.

Now to Dante's confidence. Do I blame him? Yes and No. Lucifero should at least warn him that humans and xxx pushed them down to the underground years ago and as you can imagine magic evolves so there are probably a lot of talented and tough mages out there.

But also we need to realize that Dante probably never felt despair or fear besides possible face-offs against Julius. ( Yes, I think Julius was the reason the Spade Kingdom weren't happy to go lucky on other Kingdoms ). So if you want to blame someone for Dante's confidence in his skill do it on Lucifero because he was providing him with op offensive attribute and boosting his own body magic that can basically recreate a fatal blow which further pushed his self-confidence and belief that he's untouchable.

Am I surprised by Dante's loss? Yes. Despite one of the most hype moments of the year for me ( read Dante vs Yami ) I really think that a small bunch of people expected Dante to lose here. We were joking like haha Yami is a G. Dante is done but deep inside everyone knew that Dante has fucked up magic that can recreate anything from him.

Asta's 40-second mode is probably the most broken spell in the universe so Dante losing after an Extreme diff fight is nothing to be ashamed of especially that Yami is a Wizard King candidate for a lot of people in the fandom maybe not from the character's standpoint but power wise he's definitely coming there.

Dante's backstory is easy but straight to the point. He wasn't happy gardener Dante who saw something pitty and turned evil. No.
This dude is fucked up since he was a fucking child and we never saw Dante's moment of weakness like remembering his family or something. This guy is evil to the fullest and that's what I enjoy about characters like him. Shonen authors often clown their evil characters, make their backstory basically = good guy with intentions turns evil so Dante's character is literally a refresher in this genre.

What's next for Dante? I think he will grow a lot from his loss to Yami. Both mentally and possibly magically. Maybe he will pay more attention to his fights and not disrespect the potential enemies. ( Well we both know he will do it again xD ).

As of everything we got from all of the Triad members. Dante is the most interesting character no single doubt about it.

He's:
-Charismatic
-Psychopathic
-Strong
-Cocky ( I like when character is cocky only when he can back up his trash talk to be precise )
and it also seems that he's a good tactician.

No one attacks the Clover Kingdom while Julius is on the patrol:cheers:

Overall? I might go to far with this but I'm basing this on my enjoyment and my enjoyment only.
10/10

One of the best Shonen antagonists ever. I don't care:cheers:
 

Fleet Admiral Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#4
So if you want to blame someone for Dante's confidence in his skill do it on Lucifero because he was providing him with op offensive attribute and boosting his own body magic that can basically recreate a fatal blow which further pushed his self-confidence and belief that he's untouchable.
I am not bothered by Dante's loss in the slightest lol. Dante's loss to me was completely believable in a manner that does not incriminate his power level in the slightest. Dante is very much a Top Tier Mage, very much more powerful than Yami (at least with Lucifero's Magic and Mana to help him), and Yami openly admitted that he stood no chance at defeating Dante on his own and that Asta's anti-magic was required to actually win.

When you look at Yami vs Patri, in comparison to a stronger version of Yami vs Dante, it's clear that Dante was overwhelming him to a massive extent right from the start and that Yami stood little to no chance at actually winning if it weren't for Asta lol. And Yami himself admits this.

But right from the beginning, let's be real, we all knew my man Dante was going to lose when Tabata put him in a 1v2 against literally the two most iconic and popular characters in the Manga, and then used the fight as an opportunity to start parralleling the similarities between Asta and Yami, and then focusing on how Asta's idolization of Yami fuels his growth as a Wizard (if it's even appropriate to call Asta a Wizard lol).

Dante had L Flags right from the start, and I'm fine with this as Dante is essentially a warmup for the real big-bad of this arc, which is Lucifero.

Am I surprised by Dante's loss? Yes. Despite one of the most hype moments of the year for me ( read Dante vs Yami ) I really think that a small bunch of people expected Dante to lose here. We were joking like haha Yami is a G. Dante is done but deep inside everyone knew that Dante has fucked up magic that can recreate anything from him.
Yea like I said above, there was no way Tabata was about to put Asta and Yami up against Dante and have them lose lmfao. It was too big of a moment for their characters, especially Asta.

Asta's 40-second mode is probably the most broken spell in the universe so Dante losing after an Extreme diff fight is nothing to be ashamed of especially that Yami is a Wizard King candidate for a lot of people in the fandom maybe not from the character's standpoint but power wise he's definitely coming there.
Dante was effectively invincible to Yami with his Healing Body Magic, and Dante's (Lucifero's) singularity may just be the single most overpowered spell we've ever seen in Black Clover as not even Yami's Dimension cutter could actually cut this spell. Dante also ripped Vanessa's cat Rouge apart which imo is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in a Manga lol.

But yeah, Dante's loss was respectable and did not incriminate his power level in the slightest. In a 1v1 vs any Clover Captain, Dante is still winning that matchup.
 

Seth

𝐊𝐨𝐤𝐮𝐭𝐨 𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐢
#5
I am not bothered by Dante's loss in the slightest lol. Dante's loss to me was completely believable in a manner that does not incriminate his power level in the slightest. Dante is very much a Top Tier Mage, very much more powerful than Yami (at least with Lucifero's Magic and Mana to help him), and Yami openly admitted that he stood no chance at defeating Dante on his own and that Asta's anti-magic was required to actually win.

When you look at Yami vs Patri, in comparison to a stronger version of Yami vs Dante, it's clear that Dante was overwhelming him to a massive extent right from the start and that Yami stood little to no chance at actually winning if it weren't for Asta lol. And Yami himself admits this.

But right from the beginning, let's be real, we all knew my man Dante was going to lose when Tabata put him in a 1v2 against literally the two most iconic and popular characters in the Manga, and then used the fight as an opportunity to start parralleling the similarities between Asta and Yami, and then focusing on how Asta's idolization of Yami fuels his growth as a Wizard (if it's even appropriate to call Asta a Wizard lol).

Dante had L Flags right from the start, and I'm fine with this as Dante is essentially a warmup for the real big-bad of this arc, which is Lucifero.



Yea like I said above, there was no way Tabata was about to put Asta and Yami up against Dante and have them lose lmfao. It was too big of a moment for their characters, especially Asta.



Dante was effectively invincible to Yami with his Healing Body Magic, and Dante's (Lucifero's) singularity may just be the single most overpowered spell we've ever seen in Black Clover as not even Yami's Dimension cutter could actually cut this spell. Dante also ripped Vanessa's cat Rouge apart which imo is still one of the craziest things I've ever seen in a Manga lol.

But yeah, Dante's loss was respectable and did not incriminate his power level in the slightest. In a 1v1 vs any Clover Captain, Dante is still winning that matchup.
I wonder how badly Dark Triad believes in their agenda + I wonder if when all gates are opened do Devil's just leave their body? Like a snap of the fingers?

I wonder if Triad prepared countermeasures for this. I don't think they are dumb enough to believe Devils.
 
#11
Agreed. Zenon is really flat and his innate power being Kimimaro shit isn't all that cool either imo. Dante and Vanica made huge splashes for me.
 
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