Discussion Power Pain Arc Kakashi vs Jiraiya

#1
Who is stronger? I was rewatching the Kakashi Vs Pain fight and honestly it seemd like kakashi is stronger than jiraiya.... pain praised him multiple tikes while only praised jiraiya one time... pain was scared to get near Almost dead kakashi and just shot him from far away
If it wasnt for the other guy, kakashi would've been able to take down the Deva PATH, 8.5 tails naruto couldnt do that
Honestly my money is on Kakashi, keep in mind He didnt use his kamui for some reason?
Until the end ofcourse
 

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#4
Unrestricted Kamui Kakashi > SM Jiraiya > Kakashi > base Jiraiya

If Kakashi's allowed to expertly snipe Jiraiya with Kamui whenever he wants, he doesn't lose. Kakashi low on chakra could snipe a nail flying right for him, so he definitely has the potential for it. Otherwise, Sage Mode Jiraiya's going to be too fast and too strong for Kakashi to deal with in CQC and he'll get manhandled.
 
#5
irrc Pain said Jiraiya had a chance to win if he knew about the 6 paths, which Kakashi did. Kakashi also couldn't spam Kamui back then, I think he could only use it twice.

Jiraiya maybe high diff with sage mode
Pain was capping hard ngl, jiraiya gets smoked even witn info
He couldnt do shit vs useless paths imagine if pain actually took him serious and fought with deva path
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Unrestricted Kamui Kakashi > SM Jiraiya > Kakashi > base Jiraiya

If Kakashi's allowed to expertly snipe Jiraiya with Kamui whenever he wants, he doesn't lose. Kakashi low on chakra could snipe a nail flying right for him, so he definitely has the potential for it. Otherwise, Sage Mode Jiraiya's going to be too fast and too strong for Kakashi to deal with in CQC and he'll get manhandled.
Yup if kakashi can use his kamui and plot armour isnt protecting his enemy he is winning vs jiraiya, still weird how kishimoto had to hold back kakashi several times to make naruto the end hero of the arc ( vs kakuzu, vs pain not using kamui vs either and not using genjutsu vs pain when thats his only weakness ) at least he showed us his full potential in war arc.
 
#8
Jiraiya is stronger, Jiraiya is stronger any version of Kakashi other than his double Kamui S6P version.
War Arc Kakashi max out around lower end of Mid Kage tier, Jiraiya reaches High Kage.
 
#10
Jiraiya is stronger, Jiraiya is stronger any version of Kakashi other than his double Kamui S6P version.
War Arc Kakashi max out around lower end of Mid Kage tier, Jiraiya reaches High Kage.
War arc kakashi stomps Jiraiya
His kamui is faster than 8 gate gai movement, jiraiya cannot react to that in his dreams plus that chidori and jutsu spams its easy stomp for kakashi lol
 
#11
War arc kakashi stomps Jiraiya
His kamui is faster than 8 gate gai movement, jiraiya cannot react to that in his dreams plus that chidori and jutsu spams its easy stomp for kakashi lol
Jiraiya is definitely reacting to Kamui.
War Arc Kakashi's Kamui has slower activation speed than Gudo Dama's attack speed, 6 Gate Rock Lee reacts to Gudo Dama, with enough spare time to make a well placed Kunai throw.

8th Gate Gai's movement speed(different than blitzing speed) is not that fast, in Naruto verse, projectiles are faster than movement speed in general, Gai can not out run a fast projectile, 8th Gate Gai air walk is casually reacted by Kakashi AND Gaara, most Kage level characters should be able to react to Kamui, Jiraiya's Needle Senbon(fast projectile) should be enough to interrupt or side-track a Kamui from Kakashi.
It is pretty difficult for Kakashi just instant Kamui a strong human sized opponent, this has been a pretty consistent theme through out, prevent Kamui from being too OP.

War arc Kakashi also struggles with eye sight problem later on.

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War arc Kakashi bfr jiraiya easy
See above.
 
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