So let's talk about a topic that has intrigued myself and many others, the hype surrounding the GOAT himself, the Supreme Commander of the Qin Military, Commander-in-Chief Shouheikun.
Specifically, the hype surrounding his own martial strength:
Shouheikun has himself been hyped on many separate occasions throughout this manga, to have been himself a stronger warrior than even Moubu when he was an actual battlefield commander.
Now, keep in mind, there are more instances of people claiming Shouheikun = Moubu than what I will post in this thread.
Also keep in mind that in Kingdom (and frankly the Japanese language in general), the term strength does not necessarily refer to brute strength as it does in the English language, but rather the term strength especially martial strength refers to a character's overall fighting capability. Saying Kyoukai = Moubu for example, doesn't imply Kyoukai is as physically strong as Moubu, but rather than when you take Moubu's overall fighting capability and compare it to Kyoukai's overall fighting capability, both characters are around a similar threat level (just an example, not saying Kyoukai = Moubu). So with that said:
The hype around Shouheikun is genuinely insane. The first time he was revealed to us, his strength was hyped as being clearly above Moubu:
What's crazy about this as Moubu, who at the time was insanely confident in himself and his own abilities, did not seem to object to the idea of Shouheikun in his youth being stronger than him. To be fair though, Shouheikun himself even says the idea of him being stronger than Moubu is crazy:
So that in and of itself could be used to refute the idea of Shouheikun being that strong. However, the inverse of this is also true like I said above, that Moubu has no objection to Shouheikun in his prime being stronger than him. So really both ideas cancel each other out tbh.
On top of that, what's even more interesting is that when Saitaku asks Moubu if he thinks he is stronger than Ouki, Moubu's response:
Moubu says that he would crush Ouki, and again, this Moubu does not object to prime Shouheikun being above him. This Moubu also considers his own might to be above that of the Qin 6GGs, specifically saying that making himself a Great General would produce a Qin Army that was even greater than the Army belonging to King Sho himself.
However, to play devil's advocate, this Moubu was also a Moubu who was extremely overconfident and really had no earthly idea what a Great General like Ouki was actually capable of. After Moubu witnessed the error of his own arrogance, as well as after he saw Ouki's own strength for himself, Moubu rapidly changed his tone and seemed to develop a deep respect for Ouki. So I don't think Moubu's words here are worth all that much, but it's interesting to note that at one point of his life, these were the opinions that Moubu held. Is there anything accurate that we can infer from Moubu's initial perspectives on the GG/himself/Shouheikun?
However, after Moubu slayed Kanmei, people stopped saying Shouheikun was stronger than Moubu and instead started saying that he was as strong as Moubu. Quite interesting.
Shouheikun's strength is so damn hype, that when he faced the Duke of Juuteki (a people that specifically choose their leader based on strength and seemingly nothing else:
Shouheikun defeats him quickly and convincingly:
And this is Shouheikun after he has retired from actually being a battlefield commander (though I think it's highly probable that Shouheikun likely still performs drills/training to maintain fighting shape).
So what do you guys think? Should we believe the hype?
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Specifically, the hype surrounding his own martial strength:
Shouheikun has himself been hyped on many separate occasions throughout this manga, to have been himself a stronger warrior than even Moubu when he was an actual battlefield commander.
Now, keep in mind, there are more instances of people claiming Shouheikun = Moubu than what I will post in this thread.
Also keep in mind that in Kingdom (and frankly the Japanese language in general), the term strength does not necessarily refer to brute strength as it does in the English language, but rather the term strength especially martial strength refers to a character's overall fighting capability. Saying Kyoukai = Moubu for example, doesn't imply Kyoukai is as physically strong as Moubu, but rather than when you take Moubu's overall fighting capability and compare it to Kyoukai's overall fighting capability, both characters are around a similar threat level (just an example, not saying Kyoukai = Moubu). So with that said:
The hype around Shouheikun is genuinely insane. The first time he was revealed to us, his strength was hyped as being clearly above Moubu:
What's crazy about this as Moubu, who at the time was insanely confident in himself and his own abilities, did not seem to object to the idea of Shouheikun in his youth being stronger than him. To be fair though, Shouheikun himself even says the idea of him being stronger than Moubu is crazy:
So that in and of itself could be used to refute the idea of Shouheikun being that strong. However, the inverse of this is also true like I said above, that Moubu has no objection to Shouheikun in his prime being stronger than him. So really both ideas cancel each other out tbh.
On top of that, what's even more interesting is that when Saitaku asks Moubu if he thinks he is stronger than Ouki, Moubu's response:
Moubu says that he would crush Ouki, and again, this Moubu does not object to prime Shouheikun being above him. This Moubu also considers his own might to be above that of the Qin 6GGs, specifically saying that making himself a Great General would produce a Qin Army that was even greater than the Army belonging to King Sho himself.
However, to play devil's advocate, this Moubu was also a Moubu who was extremely overconfident and really had no earthly idea what a Great General like Ouki was actually capable of. After Moubu witnessed the error of his own arrogance, as well as after he saw Ouki's own strength for himself, Moubu rapidly changed his tone and seemed to develop a deep respect for Ouki. So I don't think Moubu's words here are worth all that much, but it's interesting to note that at one point of his life, these were the opinions that Moubu held. Is there anything accurate that we can infer from Moubu's initial perspectives on the GG/himself/Shouheikun?
However, after Moubu slayed Kanmei, people stopped saying Shouheikun was stronger than Moubu and instead started saying that he was as strong as Moubu. Quite interesting.
Shouheikun's strength is so damn hype, that when he faced the Duke of Juuteki (a people that specifically choose their leader based on strength and seemingly nothing else:
Shouheikun defeats him quickly and convincingly:
And this is Shouheikun after he has retired from actually being a battlefield commander (though I think it's highly probable that Shouheikun likely still performs drills/training to maintain fighting shape).
So what do you guys think? Should we believe the hype?
@Owl Ki @Blackbeard @Patryipe @Bullet @Dark Admiral @ShinmenTakezo @Den_Den_Mushi @Guan Yu @Dovahkiin @Greenbeard @DizzyBrows @PuckTheGreat @MarineHQ62 @NeutralWatcher @RayanOO @Ninjashadow0209 @Arara @Hiragaro @Yo Tan Wa
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