Speculations Relationship of seeking Freedom and Haki strength

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ardym

#1
first of all we know that is a relationship between haki and will.
in chapter 100 we got Roger's words during the introduction of Dragon

that inherited will , destiny of age and the dreams of the people cannot be stopped as long as people continue to persue the meaning of freedom
those words can tell every thing about one piece more or less
I was just wondering about the relationship of seeking freedom and strength of haki
We know the D people seek freedom . Ace, Sabo and Ace was talking about freedom as they were kids that is why they wanted to be pirates
but it seems that the most strong people are people who seek freedom .
Dragon and his Revos are all about freedom . chapter 589 has the title will of the winds and Ace stated that he doesn't know who or what killed Sabo but it must the opposite of freedom and in the same chapter we see Luffy express his wish to be stronger that he never lose anyone
in the same chapter we see that revos and see Zoro is training
Roger sought freedom was the strongest and became the pirate king
WB sought freedom and was Roger's rival
Dragon seeks freedom and it seems that he is one of the most powerful people in the word
Shanks seeks freedom and he is one of the most powerful pirates there
Oden is the same
Garp likes freedom and he was the strongest marine
Luffy always express his wish for freedom and his haki is getting monstrous in no time.
what the WG fears the most is freedom , they try everything to oppress people
well i was just wondering if there is a relation between the ideals of having freedom and having strong haki especially strong CoC haki
the marines are not really free and that is why every strong marine seems to have an overpowered DF, the only exception is Garp he is strong because of haki and he is free.
all the other Admirals have overpowered DFs , while all the strong haki user are either pirates or revos as it seems.
the WG is trying every thing to kill the freedom, she eliminated the history , the D people , they enslaves people , no one is allowed to questioned their actions , they are trying every thing to keep Wano borders closed , because they know if the people seeks freedom they become too strong which will cause their downfall
why Shanks and Rayleigh believes Luffy is the next Roger?
because of what he says is the same as what Roger said , that is that he wants to be the most free , which is Luffy's definition of being pirate king .
in the Wano arc we will see Luffy defeats two yonkos who are nothing but a small versions of WG, that is why the WG doesn't mind them and they don't fear them.
instead they fear Dragon , BB and Luffy the people who seeks freedom , they fear Shanks as well but they think he is not reckless because he has a relation to them, but i think that Shanks has other motives like manipulate them to ensure that Luffy can achieve his dream.
 
#2
will and ambition (dreams) are the driving force of One Piece.

characters with a strong will and ambition become the strongest in One Piece. its not about freedom.
it can not be as the opposite side of the freedom you describe are reaching the very top of One Piece power too.
admirals have strong will and ambition, just like the pirates do.

TL;DR for a 4 line post: strong will and ambition leads to strong haki leads to being powerful. that is the recipe of One Piece power, basically.
 
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High effort post about things that I'm not super interested in :

You say there is a relation between Haki, Determination, Strenght and Will of Freedom in One Piece world.

I'm super basic about it and think that :

-> Luffy has the highest determination level of the Manga. Recklessness and no fear of any consequences of the highest level.

-> Blackbeard, Zoro are close 2nd : Blackbeard is nearly as reckless as Luffy ( Impel Down ) wait year for the perfect opportunity and said "a man dream never die"; Zoro is just plain determination and endurance

-> Sanji and Akaninu must be just behind. Sanji wanted to take on Kuma before being knocked inconscious by Zoro. Akainu seems to want to anhilitate Pirates at all cost.


The likes of Roger, Rayleigh, Garp, Mihawk are probably up there with theses one.

Coby is interesting because while he lacks determination in general, he is able to have super determination in key moments and I think that is why he is among the ones who become stronger and stronger.

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#4
will and ambition (dreams) are the driving force of One Piece.

characters with a strong will and ambition become the strongest in One Piece. its not about freedom.
it can not be as the opposite side of the freedom you describe are reaching the very top of One Piece power too.
admirals have strong will and ambition, just like the pirates do.

TL;DR for a 4 line post: strong will and ambition leads to strong haki leads to being powerful. that is the recipe of One Piece power, basically.
No Admirals are/were as strong Prime Garp. Garp is a pirate marine. This proves that pirates and freedom rules over all.
 
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No Admirals are/were as strong Prime Garp. Garp is a pirate marine. This proves that pirates and freedom rules over all.
you singele out Garp as the strongest marine ever, but conveniently make him a "pirate marine" (what?!? :choppawhat:)?
all the admirals follow their own moral code more or less. the are subordinates and still remain some of their personal drive. mainly, they are the marines strongest force, their leaders.

ignoring the comparison between Garp and Sengoku during their prime. no matter how much you dislike it. Garp is a marine.
he is not more than a marine. he is a marine. plain and simple. so much that he let his adoptive son get murdered right in front of him and not actively break him free.

freedom can be the ambition for some. that is it though.
 
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ardym

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all the admirals follow their own moral code more or less. the are subordinates and still remain some of their personal drive. mainly, they are the marines strongest force, their leaders.
but still they cannot oppose the WG , only Fujitora has the balls to do so. so in my opinion is the one with highest determination. Akainu was told of by the Gorosei like a spoiled child
 
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which further emphysizes my point. none of these top tiers have actual freedom. they have ambition and will. that is what made them powerful.
 
#8
Yes, I usually say this; that's why Yonko is usually stronger than the Admirals, due to having stronger free will and stronger ambitions, that means stronger Haki.
 

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Yeah, if Haki corresponds to one’s spirit/will/ambition, it makes sense that the stronger you are physically/the more you’re driven to reach your goal and achieve your own personal ideal of freedom, the higher your proficiency in the various colors will be.

The only rationale I can think of to explain Marines with Haki (we know all vice admirals and above can use it, and we’ve seen lower level members like Koby unlock it) is that they likely view themselves as liberators fighting for the force of good, or that they’re protecting the freedom of innocent citizens throughout the world from the supposed tyranny of pirates (who would view those same people as enslaved by the WG ideology and seek to free them as well). I think this is a very intriguing topic, and I can see how each side believes THEY’RE the one with the most freedom on the seas.
 
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which further emphysizes my point. none of these top tiers have actual freedom. they have ambition and will. that is what made them powerful.
Which is why Luffy's goal the being the most free is so important and it will make him the most powerful person on earth.

Not just that but he will be taking down thr WG on top of that.
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Yeah, if Haki corresponds to one’s spirit/will/ambition, it makes sense that the stronger you are physically/the more you’re driven to reach your goal and achieve your own personal ideal of freedom, the higher your proficiency in the various colors will be.

The only rationale I can think of to explain Marines with Haki (we know all vice admirals and above can use it, and we’ve seen lower level members like Koby unlock it) is that they likely view themselves as liberators fighting for the force of good, or that they’re protecting the freedom of innocent citizens throughout the world from the supposed tyranny of pirates (who would view those same people as enslaved by the WG ideology and seek to free them as well). I think this is a very intriguing topic, and I can see how each side believes THEY’RE the one with the most freedom on the seas.
Pirates are the most powerful in the World in terms of individual strength because they are free.

Even Garp is like a marine pirate that he could do whatever he want due to him being so powerful.

The CD would have got rid of him earlier if he was not a powerful and had as much impact on the world, as shown in chapter 957.
 
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@Erkan12
@Rmstorm

freedom is just 1 ambition of many.
its the magnitude of the dream that matters, not what it is.
some outright aim for power like becoming an admiral or WSS. others are more abstract.
if a character has a big dream and the will to see it through no matter what then that character will come far or die trying.
 
#12
@Erkan12
@Rmstorm

freedom is just 1 ambition of many.
its the magnitude of the dream that matters, not what it is.
some outright aim for power like becoming an admiral or WSS. others are more abstract.
if a character has a big dream and the will to see it through no matter what then that character will come far or die trying.
Freedom is the ultimate abition. There is a reason Roger, Garp and Whitebeard reached a level no other person could reach.

It was because they desired freedom.
 
#14
Whitebeard wanted a family.
Garp is was a marine. he did what he was told. the opposite of freedom.
Roger wanted to find One Piece (read poneglyphs).

seriously.
The Vivrecard databook said Garp was searching for freedom. Roger wanted the ultimate freedom like Luffy.

Roger

Luffy
 
#15
The will for freedom might indeed play a role in the haki strength.
But a bit like the force in star wars I think there might be a darker side with haki. Doflamingo for example was quite good with it, also I think big mom and kaido's coc are pretty strong.
I also think BB has a better haki than most of the people think he does. At least his coo seems on point.

Only thing I disagree is that the world government doesn't fear shanks, he seems to be a snitch at this point and collaborating with them.
 
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ardym

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with it, also I think big mom and kaido's coc are pretty strong.
i doubt it BM was releasing her CoC haki and at the end only a few lost their consciousness even Nami and Carrot were perfectly fine Luffy in MF has done more than her. i think only those who has full control on their CoC haki or in other words CoC specialists are able to use it effectively . to be honest i think only Shanks and maybe Dragon and soon Luffy , and who knows maybe reyleigh as well can make perfect use of CoC
 
#17
Whitebeard wanted a family.
Garp is was a marine. he did what he was told. the opposite of freedom.
Roger wanted to find One Piece (read poneglyphs).

seriously.
Yes I always felt bad with Garp. He isn't an evil dude and yet he sold himself to an ideal less important than family.
 
#18
Yes I always felt bad with Garp. He isn't an evil dude and yet he sold himself to an ideal less important than family.
pirates are not benevolent. by affiliating himself with the WG he felt that he could do the most good.
its not really that bad and it was not what I was getting at.
he can ignore a few commands by virtue of his reputation, but even his leeway has limits. as seen with Ace.
I think Garp seeks peace or to protect, not freedom.
 
#19
The moment Oda made Sengoku has "King's haki"
Is the same moment those kind of thoughts disappeared from my dictionary.

A stronger Haki comes from a "stronger will"

Marines surely have more restriction and not as free as pirates. But that doesn't mean they will have weaker haki.
Because having responsibilities to protect people, civilians, and having the will to go beyond measures to capture bad pirates, and having the unwavering will and determination to apply justice can also be a great drive for getting stronger with Haki.

So, basically, it had nothing to do with "freedom"
It has everything to do with "Willpower and Determination" to reach out to your goal.

Coby's simple dream of being a marine to catch bad guys and imprison them and apply justice is "more than enough" to be a driving force for him to attain unimaginable level of Haki and strength in future.
To me, from how Garp described Sengoku as "idealistic man". So, Sengoku's form of justice and ideals is more than enough for him to acquire King's haki.

Also, Rayleigh, Katakuri, Ace.. and others all served someone else when they had King's haki.

So, what i'm trying to say is that "having strong will" is what drives your haki to the roof, no matter what your position (pirate or marine) and no matter what your ambition is (becoming best pirate crew, or build a family). It all comes down to how strong is your will and determination when you set your eyes on a goal. How far would you go
 
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