Roe vs Wade Overturned?

[Reborn]

I disagree. The baby deserves life, to snuff it out just because the women doesn't want to take care of it, isn't a good enough reason.

I don't know what you are trying to say here exactly.

1) Whether a couple wants to have a baby or not is their own sole prerogative and choice. You, me or anyone else has no say in the matter because it's infringe into right to life with Liberty of that couple.


2) Now let's come to the part "Life of baby"

First, I will address what are the signs of life or living being? Ability to reproduce, grow on it's own, movements and so on are the signs of life.


Now, it's clear that pregnancy can happen even if a woman doesn't want to.

Once an egg is fertilised, zygote is formed and then forms the Embryo.

Baby develop first heart beat after 7-8 weeks of getting pregnant or during the 2 month of pregnancy.


Keep in mind that Women don't have regular menstrual cycle. I know a girl who got pregnant and she didn't know for 1and a half months because her cycle fluctuates from 40 days to sometimes even 60/70 days.


The first sign of movement by baby takes place during 4th month of pregnancy.

A baby can survive outside after 6/7 months of pregnancy - foetal viability.

Now let me tell you something very important -

Most abortions take place within first two months itself before baby even develops a heart beat.

Some takes place between 2 to 4 months that is before baby shows sign of movements.

So, abortion before this period doesn't equate to taking life of a baby when baby didn't even shown signs of life.

Now you can say well zygote is formed right at the beginning so that's life but then by logic you shouldn't even eat eggs because you are taking life 🤦

Also, giving birth to a child is huge decision and since women can get pregnant even if they don't want to then they need sufficient time after conception to decide whether they want to have baby or not.

You can't take away this right to choice from women when in the end they are ones who will raise baby for whole life.


Abortion between 4-7 months or between 4 months to foetal viability period happens when people go for abortion after determing sex or when there is some accident or health concerns.

In first scenario, sex determination and subsequent abortion has been made illegal in many countries.

And, second scenario demands abortion without saying.

After 7 months, abortion usually doesn't happen as it's very risky unless health concerns or some mishap happens.


So, yes most women are acting responsibly before and after pregnancy and women deserves to have right to choice considering everything.



Anyway, feel free to disagree. I really don't want to get into this discussion. I am here for trolling 🤷

 

[Tobra]

Abolish Abortion in basically most cases, except the life threaten ones.

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That's what adoption is for. There are or should be some type of service for that.
It's still morally wrong to kill a baby just because of your "feelings" or whatever. imo

I disagree. The baby deserves life, to snuff it out just because the women doesn't want to take care of it, isn't a good enough reason.

of course you are pro life lol


it’s also morally wrong to force women and children to go through with pregnancies with no regard to how it will affect them, yall wanna care about the “baby” inside but have no problem the with the amount of damage and trauma that it will cause to the girl by birthing it

it’s not “feelings” and you can’t call it that when you know nothing and wont have to go through what they go through


pro-“lifes” keep mentioning adoption but there’s already hundreds of thousands of kids in foster care living in terrible conditions already why increase that number. unless you adopted children or frequently donated towards them then you don’t get to tell women that they should just put it up for adoption

also making the couple against their will when they aren’t ready financially and emotionally will just scar the child for life they will either have a terrible life in poverty or get abused by their parents, and who will help them when that happens? you?

pro lifes don’t actually care about the fetus because if they did they would would have supported the fetus from birth until adulthood but you don’t see any of them doing that

 

[Fujishiro]

Guys I am playing Witcher 3 and I don't know how to level up to defeat the NPC in Side Quests, any tips on how to get XP?

Explore the map, and destroy monster nests,etc

 

[Iam25]

of course you are pro life lol


it’s also morally wrong to force women and children to go through with pregnancies with no regard to how it will affect them, yall wanna care about the “baby” inside but have no problem the with the amount of damage and trauma that it will cause to the girl by birthing it

it’s not “feelings” and you can’t call it that when you know nothing and wont have to go through what they go through


pro-“lifes” keep mentioning adoption but there’s already hundreds of thousands of kids in foster care living in terrible conditions already why increase that number. unless you adopted children or frequently donated towards them then you don’t get to tell women that they should just put it up for adoption

also making the couple against their will when they aren’t ready financially and emotionally will just scar the child for life they will either have a terrible life in poverty or get abused by their parents, and who will help them when that happens? you?

pro lifes don’t actually care about the fetus because if they did they would would have supported the fetus from birth until adulthood but you don’t see any of them doing that

Gotta admit this is a weak argument.

 

[Bob74h]

it’s also morally wrong to force women and children to go through with pregnancies with no regard to how it will affect them, yall wanna care about the “baby” inside but have no problem the with the amount of damage and trauma that it will cause to the girl by birthing it

You use baby in quotation even though it;s clearly humanoid by 16 weeks and earlier depending how you wanna argue human features but yea pretty clear that the thing being killed is a baby. wither you see that as right or wrong is merely your own opinion but it would certainly be a baby by far earlier then what's often suggested by left wing political pundits

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And what? You think this won't fuck men all around the country? By taking this away, now more men have to be responsible for child care.

It's the man's child, He should take care of it
Kids are born by two parents not one, both should be responsible for what happens

I dislike child support as alot of the time, Men are forced to pay for kids which are not their own. if it's not his kid then it's not his problem to take care of it. However if it's his kid then he should pay child support and get time to spend with time with the child if that's what the father wants

 

[Ravagerblade]

of course you are pro life lol


it’s also morally wrong to force women and children to go through with pregnancies with no regard to how it will affect them, yall wanna care about the “baby” inside but have no problem the with the amount of damage and trauma that it will cause to the girl by birthing it

it’s not “feelings” and you can’t call it that when you know nothing and wont have to go through what they go through


pro-“lifes” keep mentioning adoption but there’s already hundreds of thousands of kids in foster care living in terrible conditions already why increase that number. unless you adopted children or frequently donated towards them then you don’t get to tell women that they should just put it up for adoption

also making the couple against their will when they aren’t ready financially and emotionally will just scar the child for life they will either have a terrible life in poverty or get abused by their parents, and who will help them when that happens? you?

pro lifes don’t actually care about the fetus because if they did they would would have supported the fetus from birth until adulthood but you don’t see any of them doing that

Terrible arguments based in "muh feelings".
Pro-choices are pathetic irresponsible people.

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what kind of life is that when a child is forced to live without love and care?
So called 'pro life' people only care about the baby's body not their mental wellbeing or quality of life.

Shit argument.
Just whataboutism.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

TAC is evil for making this thread.

 

[Mr.9000]

I think both men and women should have a say on if a women should get an abortion or not, and that decision should be realized sooner than later. No later than 3 months. We have crazy women that think its okay to murder a child up to 9 months or even after birth. That's sick. "My body, my choice" is a lie. A man puts another life into a woman. By default, its not just her body anymore. We're literally allowing millions to die because men/women don't want to be responsible of their actions. What if someone already aborted a baby that was going to cure cancer? All that potential deleted.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

There’s so many bad takes in the thread.

It seems that most people here pro-life or pro-choice dont actually know what’s in Roe V Wade or what the actual argument for/against abortion is.

 

[Iam25]

Let's be real. Life in the US isn't so horrible even in a foster home its not worth living.

The argument should be aimed at the health of the mother setting priority over someone who isn't alive yet.

I favor the already existing over the hypothetical person.

 

[Colt Buntline]

Abortion is not easy on a woman tho. Don’t let these crazies make you think women are just aborting kids like it’s nothing

it’s a hard decision

It's a retarded, immoral, and completely selfish decision to kill your baby.

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Sad day for woman . Abortion is messy subject however government should not decide whether woman wants to keep baby or not .

All i can say is republicans are hell bent on dragging the country back to 60s.

If a woman doesn't want to keep her baby, then she can just give him to adoption.

If there's a reason for government to exist is to stop people from killing each other. A woman should not be allowed to kill her baby. And psychopath murderers disguised as physicians should not be allowed to murder babies as a business.

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Let's be real. Life in the US isn't so horrible even in a foster home its not worth living.

The argument should be aimed at the health of the mother setting priority over someone who isn't alive yet.

I favor the already existing over the hypothetical person.

Babies are already alive and existing in their mother's womb.

In many cases, the murder of the baby in the womb fails, and the baby survives and grows up to become an adult.

If you want to argue that it's more acceptable to kill a baby in the womb than to kill an adult just because the body of the baby in the womb is less developed than the body of an adult, then nothing stops you from also arguing that it's acceptable for parents to kill their already born babies or even older children if they seem inconvenient to the parents.

As for the health of the mother that you mentioned, the risk of woman dying by giving birth to the child is just a hypothetical thing according to someone's judgement, which may or not be correct, and it makes no sense to use a hypothetical possibility as an excuse to deliberately act on killing someone.

It's the woman's responsibility that she got pregnant, so she has the moral obligation of protecting the life of her baby.

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Even if the woman got pregnant because she was raped, it's still partially her fault for making the wrong choice to be in the wrong place, at the wrong hour, and without the right company.

And even if we blame totally just the rapist, the baby has nothing to do with it anyway; The baby's life is a different one from the rapist's. The baby can't be blamed and condemned to death because of something a rapist did. If someone needs to be condemned to death, it's the rapist; Not the baby.

Instead of killing babies, what needs to be done is to promote more chivalry, raising boys to be gentlemen who protect women as common sense, instead of relying on the police for everything, and rasing girls to become ladies with self-respect who would never allow themselves to do sex outside of marriage or to risk their safety going to dangerous places with wrong companies and without the protection of a gentleman in their family.

 

[Ravagerblade]

There’s so many bad takes in the thread.

It seems that most people here pro-life or pro-choice dont actually know what’s in Roe V Wade or what the actual argument for/against abortion is.

R v w means it's no longer federal by by state levels instead or something.

 

[Iam25]

Even if the woman got pregnant because she was raped, it's still partially her fault for making the wrong choice to be in the wrong place, at the wrong hour, and without the right company.

This is ignorant lol. But yes. Let's pretend people that look good on paper can't be rapists.

Like highly paid surgeons, police officers etc.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Half of America has turned into a third world country but they're still discussing abortions and trans people in between Kim and Kanye nonsense. What's the worse that's going to happen? You're gonna have to cross state lines for an abortion? Sorry, but that's not the end of the world.

Maybe place some attention to the economic destruction and thousands of homeless people building tents in cities.

And nationwide, 50% of the homeless population spent time in foster care. Foster care is designed to provide temporary housing and care for children and adolescents until they can be either reunited with their family, taken in by relatives, adopted, or emancipated as an adult.

https://nfyi.org/issues/homelessness/#:~:text=And nationwide, 50% of the,or emancipated as an adult.

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Even if the woman got pregnant because she was raped, it's still partially her fault for making the wrong choice to be in the wrong place, at the wrong hour, and without the right company.

what the actual fuck .

 

[Roo]

It's a retarded, immoral, and completely selfish decision to kill your baby.

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If a woman doesn't want to keep her baby, then she can just give him to adoption.

If there's a reason for government to exist is to stop people from killing each other. A woman should not be allowed to kill her baby. And psychopath murderers disguised as physicians should not be allowed to murder babies as a business.

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Babies are already alive and existing in their mother's womb.

In many cases, the murder of the baby in the womb fails, and the baby survives and grows up to become an adult.

If you want to argue that it's more acceptable to kill a baby in the womb than to kill an adult just because the body of the baby in the womb is less developed than the body of an adult, then nothing stops you from also arguing that it's acceptable for parents to kill their already born babies or even older children if they seem inconvenient to the parents.

As for the health of the mother that you mentioned, the risk of woman dying by giving birth to the child is just a hypothetical thing according to someone's judgement, which may or not be correct, and it makes no sense to use a hypothetical possibility as an excuse to deliberately act on killing someone.

It's the woman's responsibility that she got pregnant, so she has the moral obligation of protecting the life of her baby.

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Even if the woman got pregnant because she was raped, it's still partially her fault for making the wrong choice to be in the wrong place, at the wrong hour, and without the right company.

And even if we blame totally just the rapist, the baby has nothing to do with it anyway; The baby's life is a different one from the rapist's. The baby can't be blamed and condemned to death because of something a rapist did. If someone needs to be condemned to death, it's the rapist; Not the baby.

Instead of killing babies, what needs to be done is to promote more chivalry, raising boys to be gentlemen who protect women as common sense, instead of relying on the police for everything, and rasing girls to become ladies with self-respect who would never allow themselves to do sex outside of marriage or to risk their safety going to dangerous places with wrong companies and without the protection of a gentleman in their family.

Oh wow

 

[Tobra]

Even if the woman got pregnant because she was raped, it's still partially her fault for making the wrong choice to be in the wrong place, at the wrong hour, and without the right company.

And even if we blame totally just the rapist, the baby has nothing to do with it anyway; The baby's life is a different one from the rapist's. The baby can't be blamed and condemned to death because of something a rapist did. If someone needs to be condemned to death, it's the rapist; Not the baby.

Instead of killing babies, what needs to be done is to promote more chivalry, raising boys to be gentlemen who protect women as common sense, instead of relying on the police for everything, and rasing girls to become ladies with self-respect who would never allow themselves to do sex outside of marriage or to risk their safety going to dangerous places with wrong companies and without the protection of a gentleman in their family.

you need to be a on a watchlist, holy shit

 

[Cross_Marian]

Even if the woman got pregnant because she was raped, it's still partially her fault for making the wrong choice to be in the wrong place, at the wrong hour, and without the right company.

WTF are you stupid?
I didn’t want to participate on this discussion but when I read this I couldn’t stop myself
The woman has 0 faults in this case. She’s the victim and probably traumatised for her entire life.
We live in a world where women can’t go out during the night because they’re afraid.
What you wrote is completely fucked up.
You’re talking about moral? What you wrote is the exact opposite

 

[Iam25]

You can tell Colt is one of those guys who would give the actual rapist a pass if she were showing an ankle.

 

[AL sama]

Even if the woman got pregnant because she was raped, it's still partially her fault for making the wrong choice to be in the wrong place, at the wrong hour, and without the right company.

yeah nothing less then a ban it is

 

[Iam25]

Topic is really bringing out the bottom feeders lol