Current Events Rooftop Five hype "The strongest pirates of the new generation"

#1
Since the beginning of Post Time Skip, it was clearly implied that the Supernovas were really strong, the strongest among the rising pirates, that increased their strength and never stopped improving, until they actually became a recognised faction in the World Balance. Yes, the WG Supernovas are portrayed and stated to be a faction just like Yonkos, Marines, Shichibukai and Revs.


That was a concrete reality at that point already. With the further events, we clearly see that Oda drew a massive difference even among the WG Supernovas.
Nowadays, strong characters are the characters with strong Haki. To have a strong Haki you need to have a strong drive, and to have that push to make you overcome your limits and push forward. There are characters with lesser will and objectives, and characters with greater will and drive to reach goals that seem impossible. This is what sealed the difference between weaker and stronger Supernovas.

The weaker Supernovas are Bonney, Capone, Urouge, Hawkins, Apoo, Drake. These are the ones who willingly accepted to submit themselves to the Yonkos, or that tried to fight them on their own but were just too weak not even for the Yonkos but for the latters' underlings already, and after being defeated didn't try anymore. And even when they tried to oppose the Yonkos, they didn't have neither the guts nor the actual power to do that personally and with an open challenge. Also, no one of these characters has a special drive to reach the top in the One Piece world. Being just "strong" for them is ok.

The strongest Supernovas are Killer, Kidd, Law, Zoro, Luffy. These are the ones who never even thought to submit to the Yonkos. These are the one who were strong enough to defeat or at least fend off the Yonkos' underlings. There are the ones who dared to openly challenge and fight the Yonkos, and that even when they were defeated, instead or giving up, decided to improve and to come back for the rematch. All of these characters have a drive to excel and to reach the absolute top levels in the One Piece world.
Also, all of these characters have traits in common: Law is a D and has one of the strongest DFs in the world, Luffy and Zoro on a side and Kidd and Killer to another make two couple of Captain and First Mate/Right Hand/Vice Captain that have a very close relationship in a way that remembers the Roger-Rayleigh and the Shanks-Ben ones. Luffy, Zoro and Kidd also all have Haoshoku Haki, they are all Conquerors. Luffy will clearly become the Pirate King, overcoming all Yonkos and Admirals, and Zoro will be the closest ally to him, and will also become the World's Strongest Swordsman, defeating someone who is a peer to the Yonko.
Also, Luffy has legendary benchmarks like Roger and Joy Boy, and Zoro has legendary benchmarks as well, like Rayleigh and Ryuma.

Call it a cohincidence, but even in this shot from more than ten years ago, as you can see, Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kidd and Killer are the ones in the center, put in a far greater relevance than the other Supernovas, who are in a less relevant position on the sides. Foreshadowing?


Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kidd and Killer are the one who fought and showed exceptional feats against two Yonko.
They are the Rooftop Five. They gave us the greatness known as Rooftop Piece.


Yes, Rooftop Level is a reality. Anyone of the Rooftop Five is at the very least massively stronger than your average Yonko Commander.

Luffy = Mid Top Tier
Zoro = Low Top Tier
Kidd = YC1 ++
Law = YC1 +
Killer = YC2 +

Let's see all the praise and hype that these five rising received from Kaido and Big Mom, two of the strongest characters in the series.
To have a reference, let's not forget that Kaido basically bashed and trashtalked someone like Doflamingo as a weak one. Kaido also regarded the Red Scabbards as too weak to even pose a small challenge to him. Instead, this is how the Rooftop Five were regarded:

The author calls the battle between Yonkos and WG Supernovas as a battle between monsters.

"Powerful pirates leading the next generation..."

"Such a shame! If you joined me, we would have took the world together!"

"You were strong enough to scar me for life."

"Impressive!"

"What!?"

"Your generation is trouble"

"He actually cut Kaido!" "It hurts!!"

"We've underestimated them!"

"Look out! Kaido!"

"It would be a shame to kill you! Whoever wins gets close to become the Pirate King!"

"You are monsters!"

"This battle is so fierce!"

"They're more vexing than I imagined!"

"Well done!"

"This is fun!"

"Those power of yours really throw me off!"
 
#3
Kidd, Law and Killer combined didnt do more than Kawamatsu....

Roof Lvl is as dumb as saying Jack is Bustercall lvl for surving 2 Top tiers, Tsuru and a fleet.
Kidd tanked Big Mom's punches as if it was nothing.
And immediately counterattacked her, overpowering her physical strength with his Repel.

Killer wounded Dragon Kaido making him scream and acknowledge his attack.

Law reacted to Hybrid Kaido and tagged him with Injection Shot, and that attack made him decent damage. Law also reacted to another charge from Hybrid Kaido and partially defended from the incoming attack with his Curtain.

They were called monsters just like Luffy and Zoro were. They were praised just like Luffy and Zoro were. Kaido said that if they joined him they would have conquered the world together, that it was a shame that they opposed him.

Kaido went Hybrid against 5 opponents when he also had Big Mom on his side, and got seriously wounded and damaged; while he didn't went serious against 9 opponents when he was alone in 1 vs 9, and still defeated them, and without any serious wound.

Kaido said that the Scabbards were too weak, while he praised many times the strength of the Rooftop Five.

Kaido vs the Scabbards in 1 vs 9 was a one-sided massacre.
Kaido and Big Mom vs the Supernovas in a 2 vs 5 was called by the author "A battle between monsters".

Claiming that the Scabbards are even remotely comparable to the Supernovas is ludicrous. Even Law, Kidd and Killer are so much stronger than the Scabbards. The gap is abysmal. The author made it clear. Like it or not.
 
#4
Kidd tanked Big Mom's punches as if it was nothing. And immediately counterattacked her, overpowering her physical strength with his Repel.

Killer wounded Dragon Kaido making him scream and acknowledge his attack.

Law reacted to Hybrid Kaido and tagged him with Injection Shot, and that attack made him decent damage. Law also reacted to another charge from Hybrid Kaido and partially defended from the incoming attack with his Curtain.

They were called monsters just like Luffy and Zoro were. They were praised just like Luffy and Zoro were. Kaido said that if they joined him they would have conquered the world together, that it was a shame that they opposed him.

Kaido went Hybrid against 5 opponents when he also had Big Mom on his side, and got seriously wounded and damaged; while he didn't went serious against 9 opponents when he was alone in 1 vs 9, and still defeated them, and without any serious wound.

Claiming that the Scabbards are even remotely comparable to the Supernovas is ludicrous. Even Law, Kidd and Killer are so much stronger than the Scabbards. The gap is abysmal. The author made it clear. Like it or not.
Kidd also got his skull cracked....

Whilst Queen took zero damage from her attacks....

- Killer didnt wound shit. He made kaido bleed. Same thing the Scabbards could do. And at the very least their Ryou was strong enough to cut his scales. Whilst Killer had to cheat whilst being a swordsman.

- The starting distance between Luffy's unconcious body and Zoro cutting Promemthesus is unknown. The reaction feat is pretty ambigious. And for the second feat, Law already had Curtain up before Kaido hit him

- So being called a monster means your worthy of being YC2/YC1 lvl ?

- He also didnt go hybrid against Oden, yet non of these people have AP comparable to Oden.

- In what way. Kidd and Killer literally didnt do shit to Kaido. And Law's AP wasnt that much better than the scabbards lol.
 

Finalbeta

Law Nerd
#9
Kidd, Law and Killer combined didnt do more than Kawamatsu....

Roof Lvl is as dumb as saying Jack is Bustercall lvl for surving 2 Top tiers, Tsuru and a fleet.
No, it's actually pretty stupid to compare the feats of these guys with Kawamatsu. The level of support and specifically damage output is completely different.

Rooftop level is a fanmade concept, just like YC1 level is, it's not the end of the world if properly relied on.
 
#11
You had something until you ranked the supernovas take that part out of the post.

The rankings doesn’t even make sense.

If zoro was a top tier he would fight big mom while Luffy fights kaido.

What the hell does yc1+++ even mean?
Zoro was in fact the only one (bar Luffy, of course) who had a 1 vs 1 moment against a Yonko, fighting him alone, directly, without any other involvement, fair and square.

And he did greatly. Then of course Kaido is clearly stronger, so Kaido is a high top tier, while Zoro is a low top tier, not even a mid top tier. But still Zoro is too strong to be in the same tier with people like Katakuri or Marco, who could never deliver that damage to a Yonko.

Being a YC1++ would mean being significantly stronger than a YC1. That's what I think that Kidd and Law are. I'd rank them over King for sure, for example.
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They may be the top 5 of the supernova but Blackbeard is the strongest, Sanji will be at least stronger than Killer if not Kid or Law.
Sanji has nothing to be even compared to Killer.
Let alone Kidd or Law.

These are among the strongest rising pirates. Sanji is not. He wasn't even deemed worth to be a Supernova.
 
#12
Kidd, Law and Killer combined didnt do more than Kawamatsu....

Roof Lvl is as dumb as saying Jack is Bustercall lvl for surving 2 Top tiers, Tsuru and a fleet.
Oda's clearly saving Kid and Killer for Big Mom

the fact that those two and only those two are set up to fight her says a lot. But the fanbase still downplays it.
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And Law's AP wasnt that much better than the scabbards lol.
Law was able to tank a club attack from hybrid kaido via his curtain technique

the scabbards were getting low diffed by base kaido
 
#14
Urouge had the best feats against yonko crews until luffy arrived to WCI. He did far better than guys like law(who didnt even try) and Kidd( who lost an arm).

Drake isnt even a pirate so i cant see how he submitted himself to kaido. His goal was just to observe beasts pirates activities, not to fight them.

I agree that hawkins and apoo are a step behind the rooftop 5. Bege was never that strong either. Probably the weakest supernova even before timeskip. His greatness lies on his analytical skills though and not in his individual strength.

We know almost nothing about Bonney's skills. I mean, all supernovas would have lost against Teach pre-timeskip.

What is clear in one piece world is that CoC users are usually superior to non users. Thus Luffy, Kidd, Zoro and maybe Law( i think he will be able to use it in the future) have higher potential than the others. I dont think killer can beat Urouge or Drake though.
 
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