Powers & Abilities General CoA Discussion - Basic & Advanced

[HPsyche]

No it is just your interpretation.

Nope, other sensible people came to the same conclusion.

And the manga proves it because the explanation consistently works, lol.

It's the strongest form of armament, thus why only the strongest characters can use it.

Tashigi can't because she's not a very powerful character.

Asking again: did Cracker did not go all out against Luffy?

Clearly, you have no recollection of the arc.

That fight wasn't a regular fight.

It was Luffy running away, therefore, they couldn't really fight like a regular fight would be fought.

It was Luffy trying to exhaust him and him trying to subdue Luffy so he could kill him.

Not a death match like most fights are where ultimates were used bud.

Again, I think it's clear you're not highly understanding of the series.

 

[Rivaille]

Irrelevant question.

It's a fight whose details we do not have.

All fights which we've seen in detail feature Shaded Haki for ultimate attacks, simply a fact.

Joker's god thread.
Katakur's/
Chinjao's.
Luffy's and Zoro's.

There's really no debate.

You can however keep deluding yourself Tesoro is canon and Zephyr is Canon. You have no good arguments, lol.

The question is relevant, is just that you cannot answer it.

No. First of all, Joker’s god thread are purple not black. Second of all : Did Cracker was not going all out?

We are not debating, I’m just pointing out the flaws in your argument.

Zephyr is canon.

 

[HPsyche]

Zoro heard the breath of the falling rocks... Who cut who in that instance, Zoro the rocks or rocks Zoro?

Like I told you, it was too complex for you to understand, lol.

It literally states the power to cut or not cut was the ability to use BOAT.

It's not Haki bud, lol.

 

[Rivaille]

She was weakened buddy, read the arc again if you can't remember as it seems, lol.


It is Hardened Haki, lol.

Which does not answer my question.

It is not which is why it is not black.

 

[HPsyche]

We are not debating, I’m just pointing out the flaws in your argument.

Nope, you're not pointing out flaws, but being pedantic.

Point is it's Haki, anyone and everyone knows this except you.

It's not Canon.

And if you think Luffy's match with Cracker was a regular battle, then you didn't understand their fight at all, lol.

Nonetheless, Haki shaded is stronger than non-shaded which is why it's something only the strongest can use and why Sai got promoted once he unlocked it, lol.

If Sai's promotion doesn't make it clear to you black shaded Haki is a power-up, then you're just clueless about Haki is all.

 

[HPsyche]

It is not which is why it is not black.

That's like saying Luffy's Gear 4th isn't Haki since it's also red, lol.

 

[HA001]

Like I told you, it was too complex for you to understand, lol.

It literally states the power to cut or not cut was the ability to use BOAT.

It's not Haki bud, lol.

It is haki.

Koshiro and hyou gave the same explanation word for word.

 

[nik87]

Like I told you, it was too complex for you to understand, lol.

It literally states the power to cut or not cut was the ability to use BOAT.

It's not Haki bud, lol.

So no cutting happened in the falling rocks instance? Check.
Hearing the breath of falling rocks happened without Zoro even having a sword? Check.
It helped him to avoid being hit by the rocks. Sounds like CoO? Check.

No, it actually states nowhere that ability to cut or not to cut is BOAT.
Hearing the breath is performed without sword and no cutting happened in the falling rocks instance.
"...to be able to draw on that power at any time..." That power is never said to be BOAT.
Has Zoro ever again heard the breath of things? No.
Has Zoro ever again cut steel? Yes.

All you have is headcanon, stick to manga facts, buddy.

 

[Rivaille]

Nope, other sensible people came to the same conclusion.

And the manga proves it because the explanation consistently works, lol.

It's the strongest form of armament, thus why only the strongest characters can use it.

Tashigi can't because she's not a very powerful character.


Clearly, you have no recollection of the arc.

That fight wasn't a regular fight.

It was Luffy running away, therefore, they couldn't really fight like a regular fight would be fought.

It was Luffy trying to exhaust him and him trying to subdue Luffy so he could kill him.

Not a death match like most fights are where ultimates were used bud.

Again, I think it's clear you're not highly understanding of the series.

You can be several to agree on a interpretation, it still remain an interpretation.

It does not I.e Cracker and Dofla.

You do realize that character like Opera’s brothers, Bellamy, Raisin and Kanjuro were able to use it, so this has nothing to do with strength.

So he tried to kill Luffy but it was not a death match?
It seems that I understand the serie better then you understand your own words

 

[Rivaille]

Nope, you're not pointing out flaws, but being pedantic.

Point is it's Haki, anyone and everyone knows this except you.

It's not Canon.

And if you think Luffy's match with Cracker was a regular battle, then you didn't understand their fight at all, lol.

Nonetheless, Haki shaded is stronger than non-shaded which is why it's something only the strongest can use and why Sai got promoted once he unlocked it, lol.

If Sai's promotion doesn't make it clear to you black shaded Haki is a power-up, then you're just clueless about Haki is all.

Not that much, you are just unable to accroît that your opinion is not fact but an interpretation.

Never denied that it was haki tho.

He is canon.

You said it yourself, Cracker tried to kill Luffy.
If he tried to kill Luffy he has no reason to not go all out to kill him.

Funnily enough Chinjao ne et spoke about haki when he promoted Sai.

 

[Rivaille]

That's like saying Luffy's Gear 4th isn't Haki since it's also red, lol.

Never said it was not haki tho.

 

[HPsyche]

Never said it was not haki tho.

Gear 4th is in red, you claim it's Haki.
Joker is in Purple, not Haki.

Seems hypocritical, lol.

 

[HPsyche]

Funnily enough Chinjao ne et spoke about haki when he promoted Sai.

You don't know that because you are clueless about it.

If you actually read Dressrosa.

Chinjao promoted Sai after his true powers awakened.

His true powers was this: His Legs being coated in Black Haki.

He said he's seen the proof Sai can destroy the ice continent now.

The proof being Black Haki which made it possbile for Sai to defeat Chinjao and bend his drill which Garp broke.

Before fighting Chinjao, he never had Black Haki, only the regular non-shaded Haki. He grew stronger in his fight with Chinjao.

Of course, to you and whatever logic you're using to understand the series, this isn't proof Black Haki is superior to non-shaded.

Sai was never this powerful until he fought Chinjao, lol.

Of course, you wouldn't know this.

 

[Garps tekkai]

@HPsyche Nice to have you here! What happened to you on OJ?

@Rivaille as soon as Luffy hardens his fist up in G2 the attack prefix changes from "jet"(Caesar, Pacifista where invisible haki was used) to "hawk". Iirc the hawk gatling against Monet's ice wall move was changed to a black shaded design in the volume release, cause it would otherwise have been inconsistent.
Same way Sai was said to finally have mastered that drill tech, as soon as he unlocked hardening. And in general "hardening" says it all. Something gets hardened up/compressed/densed/highly concentrated - > more powerful.
It's inarguably superior.

And yep haki is invisible. The shading is there for us readers. It is stated at the two times where CoA gets explained. It can't get more factual than that.

 

[HPsyche]

@HPsyche Nice to have you here! What happened to you on OJ?

OJ stuff happened on OJ and thanks!

@Rivaille as soon as Luffy hardens his fist up in G2 the attack prefix changes from "jet"(Caesar, Pacifista where invisible haki was used) to "hawk". Iirc the hawk gatling against Monet's ice wall move was changed to a black shaded design in the volume release, cause it would otherwise have been inconsistent.
Same way Sai was said to finally have mastered that drill tech, as soon as he unlocked hardening. And in general "hardening" says it all. Something gets hardened up/compressed/densed/highly concentrated - > more powerful.
It's inarguably superior.

And yep haki is invisible. The shading is there for us readers. It is stated at the two times where CoA gets explained. It can't get more factual than that.

At least someone gets it.

I won't even bother at this point, lol.

He thinks Zephyr is canon simply because he's in a colour spread and claims the above is not Joker using Haki on his ultimate attack.

Don't think any reasoning would get through.

 

[Rivaille]

Gear 4th is in red, you claim it's Haki.
Joker is in Purple, not Haki.

Seems hypocritical, lol.

No I said that Dofla used haki but not koka which is why the tip of his strings are not black but purple.

 

[Rivaille]

You don't know that because you are clueless about it.

If you actually read Dressrosa.

Chinjao promoted Sai after his true powers awakened.

His true powers was this: His Legs being coated in Black Haki.

He said he's seen the proof Sai can destroy the ice continent now.

The proof being Black Haki which made it possbile for Sai to defeat Chinjao and bend his drill which Garp broke.

Before fighting Chinjao, he never had Black Haki, only the regular non-shaded Haki. He grew stronger in his fight with Chinjao.

Of course, to you and whatever logic you're using to understand the series, this isn't proof Black Haki is superior to non-shaded.

Sai was never this powerful until he fought Chinjao, lol.

Of course, you wouldn't know this.

Where it is said that he unlocked haki? Because in none of those panels I see the word « haki ».

 

[Rivaille]

as soon as Luffy hardens his fist up in G2 the attack prefix changes from "jet"(Caesar, Pacifista where invisible haki was used) to "hawk". Iirc the hawk gatling against Monet's ice wall move was changed to a black shaded design in the volume release, cause it would otherwise have been inconsistent.
Same way Sai was said to finally have mastered that drill tech, as soon as he unlocked hardening. And in general "hardening" says it all. Something gets hardened up/compressed/densed/highly concentrated - > more powerful.
It's inarguably superior.

And yep haki is invisible. The shading is there for us readers. It is stated at the two times where CoA gets explained. It can't get more factual than that.

No in the volume it is still « Jet Gatling :

It was never said that shading is there for the readers which why invisible CoA has been use even after the introduction of koka.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

@HPsyche

Spoiler: Haki

I wonder if there's a connection between the ability Zoro used in Alabasta to cut what he wanted to cut, but not cut what he didn't want to cut...and the ability Hyo was teaching Luffy that he describes as a swordsman cutting what he wanted to cut and not cutting what he wanted to cut. Which he attributed to Ryuo (or Haki).

Even the same "mighty blade" (or gouken) term was used in both instances.

Surely there's nothing connecting the two, right?

 

[Garps tekkai]

No in the volume it is still « Jet Gatling :

It was never said that shading is there for the readers which why invisible CoA has been use even after the introduction of koka.

Yo, wasn't too sure anymore. I just knew something was changed there. You are right.
So they changed the hardening effect but not the name. Then that's a the only inconsistency, regarding the link between its prefix and hardening. Every other time, the prefix changes to "hawk". I mean "Hawk/Eagle" and "Elephant/Grizzly Magnum" are the official names for those hardening supported G2/G3 attacks afterall. All the other post ts instances where Jet moves are used are also not hardened other than this one, even when haki use is confirmed...
What's your source btw?