Versus Battle Sandor Clegane vs Greatjon Umber

[God Buggy]

After Bronn vs Sandor, which was understandably one sided in terms of voting, here's another matchup for y'all.

On one side:

The Hound yet again. There's not much need to talk about him, as the entire fandom knows very well of his prowess. Freakishly strong, more skilled and agile than his brother, the Hound is one of most terrifying fighters in Westeros.


On the othe side...this monster from the North, loyal bannerman to House Stark.

Greatjon Umber. Now, for those of you who would need a bit of refresh on this man:

Spoiler

He's described to be as tall as Hodor (7 feets) but twice as large. He uses the biggest greatsword that Bran has ever seen.

He comes up in Jaime's thoughts when he lists a scant few fighters, all being stronger than him physically, but who he believes could beat anyway. (The Hound comes up in Jaime's thoughts as well).

He leads Robb Stark's vanguard and is described by Ned to be as fearless as any man he ever knew.

At the Red Wedding he drinks so much wine "to kill three men", he's utterly drunk and yet EIGHT men are needed to restrict him. In his state he had literally taken the sword of the first man to attack him, killed one, wounded two other and bite off the ear of Sir Leslyn Haigh.

Man is a freak amongst freaks lol.

@Elder Lee Hung @Cichy @TheKnightOfTheSea @TheAncientCenturion @NikaInParis @gz89 @Bullet @KingOnizam @RayanOO @nik87 @SakazOuki @Roo etc.

 

[Cruxroux]

How about Cregan Stark vs Sandor Clegane next

 

[NikaInParis]

I really think this is as much of a toss up as can be and entirely depends on Umber's armour or lack thereof.
With (nearly) equal armour the guy with the better luck wins this. If Umber lacks as good of a head and torso protection as the Hound has then the Hound takes it

 

[SakazOuki]

Greatjon is not nearly as strong as the mountain, the hound hacks him fairly easily I’d say

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

We really don’t get enough feats from Greatjon to say. He is larger than the Hound and very likely physically stronger, but so is the Mountain and the Hound matched him equally. I’d say the Hound is probably more skilled while the Greatjon is probably more savage and can tolerate more pain. Either way I guess? Put a gun to my head, and I guess I’d say the Hound.

Greatjon is not nearly as strong as the mountain, the hound hacks him fairly easily I’d say

The Greatjon is likely that strong. He threw armored grown men around like children lol

 

[RayanOO]

The Greatjon is likely that strong. He threw armored grown men around like children lol

Umber is strong but the Mountain is the Mountain

no human is physically as strong or as big as him in the modern GOT times iirc

the man is 2m44 lmao

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Umber is strong but the Mountain is the Mountain

no human is physically as strong as him in the modern GOT times iirc

the man is 2m44 lmao

The Hound parried his killing blows with no issue. The Greatjon is in the same physical strength category, and is likely physically stronger than the Hound as he is both taller and larger.

 

[God Buggy]

I really think this is as much of a toss up as can be and entirely depends on Umber's armour or lack thereof.
With (nearly) equal armour the guy with the better luck wins this. If Umber lacks as good of a head and torso protection as the Hound has then the Hound takes it

We really don’t get enough feats from Greatjon to say. He is larger than the Hound and very likely physically stronger, but so is the Mountain and the Hound matched him equally. I’d say the Hound is probably more skilled while the Greatjon is probably more savage and can tolerate more pain. Either way I guess? Put a gun to my head, and I guess I’d say the Hound.



The Greatjon is likely that strong. He threw armored grown men around like children lol

Greatjon seems very similar to the Hound. Crazy strong, and likewise should be more skilled and agile than the Mountain. If George wrote it this would be a really, really hard fight imo.

 

[SakazOuki]

The Hound parried his killing blows with no issue. The Greatjon is in the same physical strength category, and is likely physically stronger than the Hound as he is both taller and larger.

Parrying is more a matter of skill than strength though

When Jaime talked about physical strength he mentioned the mountain in a category of his own

Amongst the living, Greatjon Umber was stronger, Strongboar of Crakehall most likely, both Cleganes for a certainty. The Mountain's strength was like nothing human. It did not matter. With speed and skill, Jaime could beat them all.

Not only is the mountain in a category of his own compared to Umber, he also is far more experienced in dueling
Then you have Sandor, who is a mix of both worlds, wears thick steal and is also an all rounder killing machine who has done nothing the past two decades but kill. Umber is a big threat to the average warrior, but a man who spent his life getting drunk in the north has absolutely no business fighting against the Clegane brothers

 

[RayanOO]

The Hound parried his killing blows with no issue. The Greatjon is in the same physical strength category, and is likely physically stronger than the Hound as he is both taller and larger.

Hound is very skilled and parrying is also a matter of skill

and no the Mountain is the one and only strength wise

he has like 30/40 cm against Umber and built like a tank and insane armor

 

[SakazOuki]

This is like pitting Mark Henry against Fedor Emelianenko

 

[RayanOO]

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Umber is a big threat to the average warrior, but a man who spent his life getting drunk in the north has absolutely no business fighting against the Clegane brothers

What’s funny is that you ignored the context of that quote, which was Jaime saying the Greatjon was one of the only men who can match him in a fight lol. Which he also said about the Hound and the Mountain.

So your entire point about the Greatjon having no business being compared to the Hound is immediately moot as Jaime Lannister directly did exactly that.

Hound is very skilled and parrying is also a matter of skill

and no the Mountain is the one and only strength wise

he has like 30/40 cm against Umber and built like a tank and insane armor

I said they were comparable, not equal. Which is absolutely true. The Mountain is not some demigod in strength who no even comes close to. The Greatjon is absolutely close to him in strength. It took eight grown men to hold him down at the RW and Robb remarked in horror when the Greatjon tossed a grown armored man like Robb would toss Rickon in GOT.

The Greatjon is still absolutely massive, a foot shorter than the Mountain but likely just as physically big or perhaps bigger.

 

[NikaInParis]

Let's use simple WG powerscaling to settle this:
A character named Jon, while bloodlusted, lifted a grown man off the ground with one hand.
Now imagine what a full grown guy named Greatjon could do

 

[God Buggy]

It's true that Jaime singles out the Mountain even compared to the likes of Hound, Greatjon etc. when it comes to brute strenght but Greatjon was probably still, like...in contention for second place in the seven kingdoms at that.

And Jaime puts Greatjon's and Hound's names in that same list. People he sees himself still beating but one kinda understands that those would be tough matches even for the best knight in Westeros. I can easily see Greatjon doing what the Hound was doing against the Mountain at Robert's tournament.

 

[RayanOO]

Let's use simple WG powerscaling to settle this:
A character named Jon, while bloodlusted, lifted a grown man off the ground with one hand.
Now imagine what a full grown guy named Greatjon could do

The Mountain is the strongest swordsman

But Sandor is more skilled

who is the greatest between them

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Sandro is a far better fighter

The mountain, who should be a stronger, larger, younger and overall more experienced fighter than the Greatjon couldn't land a lethal blow on Sandor who wasn't trying to seriously hurt him or kill him

 

[God Buggy]

Sandro is a far better fighter

Why do you think that?

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Why do you think that?

His feats against Gregor in the tournament in the first book. He defended from a bloodlusted Gregor with no major injuries. The Greatjon lacks 1v1 feats and statements outside of physically outclassing Jaime