Theory Shanks: The ambivalent role of The Trickster

#1
Hello there, this is my first theory in a while and probably many of you will think this is kinda dumb some will say meh could be and the rest well the rest will not give a fluff like they should ahahah. So let's start!!
Mini disclaimer this are my views on the story and might differ from yours and I might be wrong don't take it to seriously
Theory

Who is the Trickster?

Before we go a bit deep in my theory I think it is necessary to give a description of the therm Trickster :
"In mythology and the study of folklore and religion, a trickster is a character in a story (god, goddess, spirit, human, or anthropomorphisation) who exhibits a great degree of intellect or secret knowledge and uses it to play tricks or otherwise disobey normal rules and defy conventional behavior"
AND
"The trickster is a term used for a non performing 'trick maker'; they may have many motives behind their intention but those motives are not in public view largely. They are internal to the character or person"

This first definition fits from my point of view to Shanks perfectly, each story has a character that stands in the middle he is neither good nor bad he is a mediator between the 2 worlds.

Let's look at an other quote

Trickster is at one and the same time creator and destroyer, giver and negator, he who dupes others and who is always duped himself… He know neither good nor evil yet he is responsible for both. He possesses no value, moral or social… yet through his actions all values come into being”
― Lewis Hyde, Trickster Makes This World: Mischief, Myth, and Art

Shanks Nordic mythological counter part

By all means shanks is given a Nordic aspect so it is logical for us to connect the 2, in fact many, including myself, had noticed and made theories about how Shanks was created based on the Norse god Týr whom lost his had to the wolf Fenrir the son of Loki and the giantess Angrboda.
While his aspect might or might not be inspired by the god Týr, Shanks personality is a lot more similar to that of Loki who is in fact categorized as Trickster. The parallels between them are many, at least from my point of view. In fact let's see some of them:
  • The giant connection - > Loki is the son of a jötunn or Frost giant and a goddess and when Ragnarök started he fought besides the giants against the gods. Shanks is at least from our point of view the in some sort of alliance with the giants and for many he is the son of Im and a slave, so as Loki he doesn't really belong in either category but in the middle as a point of connection which is the exact trait of the Trickster.
  • The buffoon/fool -> Loki like to play the part of the buffoon to reach his goals and maintain the ambiguity that characterized him. If we look at Shanks actions we see that he plays the part of the buffoon/fool a lazy dude who like to party and fool around and absent minded.
  • Collaboration with the gods -> Regarding his relations with the gods, Loki has made a pact of blood brotherhood with Wotan / Odin and on many occasions has helped the ruler of the Gods or his son Thor to face exploits, to overcome dangers and to restore order. This is what Shanks is doing as well or at least from my point of view, because as we saw he is trying to maintain balance in the world, tried to stop Ace by going to WB, stopped Kaido from coming to Marine F, stop the war so that both parts will not weaken to much at so that the world, for now, maintain its balance and recently went to the Gorosei to warn them about an imminent danger.
Looking at this parallels I think the similarities are pretty good.

Is Shanks evil?

I don't think he is an antagonist, but he will be Luffy's greatest test before the end of the story. I think he will be quite brutal against Luffy to see if he can really accomplish what Roger and the others before him couldn't. You might say he is an agent of the WG, but I don't think so. He is as I said many times the middle man and he is the one that will decide in which direction the story will go, by this I mean Oda will use Shanks as a turning point.
Let's go back for a bit to his affiliation with the WG, we have seen how he was crushed by Roger's death and he was willing to put a bet for the next generation of pirates( Luffy representing the new generation).
So from my point of view he is not a WG dog, maybe I'll be proven wrong, but because he has great knowledge and is a smart man, he knows that some sort of order must be maintained so he collabs with the WG when the goal is similar, exactly like Roger did in the case of the Rocks he fought besides Garp and defeated them and I fell that was not the first nor the last time he did that. Shanks learnt many things from Roger as we have seen at the beginning of the story with the bar incident he let Higuma insult him and let it slide because he only insulted him and not his crew.
He is a pacifist so I think he fells the need to maintain this "pace" because he knows if to much power ends in the wrong hands a bloodbath will happen all over the world and again once more he becomes the middle man to maintain this "balance" in the world and because of that he is respected and has access to places that not many could have.

Conclusion
Shanks is classified in the category of the Trickster which is a pretty common thing in literature, in myths and gods. By nature this sort of character are ambiguous and their intentions are not clear and usually, from what I've understood, are used to give a turning point or a new direction to the story. From my point of view he is not an agent of the WG, but collabs with them for the moment to maintain this balance and some sort of pace in the world since he is by nature a pacifist and doesn't want any blood to be spieled if not necessary.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#2
Woah, nice theory man! The Tyr parallel was really well done with both Shanks and Tyr losing an arm, the red hair and Shanks being a pacifist, and Tyr being the god of justice in Norse Mythology. I feel that Shanks would probably end up fighting One Piece's version of Garmr (the wolf-like beast which slew Tyr at Ragnarok).

Garmr was the guardian of hell in the Norse myths and I know this is a wild take but if Oda would twist this part and add some Greek myth by changing it to Cereberus, the three-headed guardian beast of hell. I think that with a lot of symbolism around Blackbeard with the number 3, it would be a perfect match since it was foreshadowed earlier as well at Marineford. I don't believe in the Cereberus DF theory though just to make it clear.

Also if Shanks turns out to be Rocks' son, it would set up a nice matchup between Rocks' biological son and the person who follows Rocks' ideology.

Let's see though. Once Shanks starts moving in 2021 as Oda said, we'll hopefully get more lore and information on him.
 
#3
Woah, nice theory man! The Tyr parallel was really well done with both Shanks and Tyr losing an arm, the red hair and Shanks being a pacifist, and Tyr being the god of justice in Norse Mythology. I feel that Shanks would probably end up fighting One Piece's version of Garmr (the wolf-like beast which slew Tyr at Ragnarok).

Garmr was the guardian of hell in the Norse myths and I know this is a wild take but if Oda would twist this part and add some Greek myth by changing it to Cereberus, the three-headed guardian beast of hell. I think that with a lot of symbolism around Blackbeard with the number 3, it would be a perfect match since it was foreshadowed earlier as well at Marineford. I don't believe in the Cereberus DF theory though just to make it clear.

Also if Shanks turns out to be Rocks' son, it would set up a nice matchup between Rocks' biological son and the person who follows Rocks' ideology.

Let's see though. Once Shanks starts moving in 2021 as Oda said, we'll hopefully get more lore and information on him.
Glad you liked it. I'm very hyped to see what oda has in serve for us with Shanks
 
#4
Conclusion
Shanks is classified in the category of the Trickster which is a pretty common thing in literature, in myths and gods. By nature this sort of character are ambiguous and their intentions are not clear and usually, from what I've understood, are used to give a turning point or a new direction to the story. From my point of view he is not an agent of the WG, but collabs with them for the moment to maintain this balance and some sort of pace in the world since he is by nature a pacifist and doesn't want any blood to be spieled if not necessary.
good theory

honesty anyone who think Shanks is an agent of the WG is as smart as a potato

Roger fought side by side of Marine to stop Xebec from killing all CDs ....
Shanks can speak to them ....


and about Shanks being a force to bring great twists in the story ... sure ...
I'm sure the first step of this theory is already came true
Shanks talking to Gorosei is first step to one piece final war
 
#5
good theory

honesty anyone who think Shanks is an agent of the WG is as smart as a potato

Roger fought side by side of Marine to stop Xebec from killing all CDs ....
Shanks can speak to them ....


and about Shanks being a force to bring great twists in the story ... sure ...
I'm sure the first step of this theory is already came true
Shanks talking to Gorosei is first step to one piece final war
Thank you :D I'm glad you liked it :D
 
G

Gorosei Informer

#6
Ironically there's an actual Loki in the story though. Big Mom mentioned him when talking about trying to make Lola marry him. Oda could have split up Loki into multiple characters as he has done with Blackbeard (Marshall D Teach), Whitebeard (Edward Newgate) and Thatch and thus the IRL Blackbeard Edward Teach/Thatch.

Great analysis and theory though, with also great presentation/formatting. I always fond of more Shanks theories and I'm abslolutely adamant he's strongly connected to/involved with Elbaf somehow.

Collaboration with the gods -> Regarding his relations with the gods, Loki has made a pact of blood brotherhood with Wotan / Odin and on many occasions has helped the ruler of the Gods or his son Thor to face exploits, to overcome dangers and to restore order. This is what Shanks is doing as well or at least from my point of view, because as we saw he is trying to maintain balance in the world, tried to stop Ace by going to WB, stopped Kaido from coming to Marine F, stop the war so that both parts will not weaken to much at so that the world, for now, maintain its balance and recently went to the Gorosei to warn them about an imminent danger.
This is a really interesting point too. I'm not overly familiar with Norse mythology, but somehow I get an Odin vibe from WB if that makes any sense? WB "The AllFather?

You've raised some great points, questions and done some fantastic research. I love it when people have such deep understandings of characters especially my favourite ones like Shanks ofc!

I do feel like he's a sort of Lawful Neutral type. A mediator and power balancer as you said too. It kinda makes me think of MCU Thanos funnily enough but he wanted to genocide half of the entire universe to achieve his goals which is NOT something Shanks would do ofc. Something more the Gorosei and Imu would do.

I do wonder if Shanks was also figuratively scarred by what he might have seen and experienced growing up and it's shaped him into being more of the person he is now. His character has been a fantastic enigma from the beginning of OP, much like Mihawk too and I cannot wait for their arcs and full character development to come finally after SO LONG!

Brilliant thread anyway, I'll share it around to people I know elsewhere!

:cheers::endthis:
 
#7
Ironically there's an actual Loki in the story though. Big Mom mentioned him when talking about trying to make Lola marry him. Oda could have split up Loki into multiple characters as he has done with Blackbeard (Marshall D Teach), Whitebeard (Edward Newgate) and Thatch and thus the IRL Blackbeard Edward Teach/Thatch.

Great analysis and theory though, with also great presentation/formatting. I always fond of more Shanks theories and I'm abslolutely adamant he's strongly connected to/involved with Elbaf somehow.



This is a really interesting point too. I'm not overly familiar with Norse mythology, but somehow I get an Odin vibe from WB if that makes any sense? WB "The AllFather?

You've raised some great points, questions and done some fantastic research. I love it when people have such deep understandings of characters especially my favourite ones like Shanks ofc!

I do feel like he's a sort of Lawful Neutral type. A mediator and power balancer as you said too. It kinda makes me think of MCU Thanos funnily enough but he wanted to genocide half of the entire universe to achieve his goals which is NOT something Shanks would do ofc. Something more the Gorosei and Imu would do.

I do wonder if Shanks was also figuratively scarred by what he might have seen and experienced growing up and it's shaped him into being more of the person he is now. His character has been a fantastic enigma from the beginning of OP, much like Mihawk too and I cannot wait for their arcs and full character development to come finally after SO LONG!

Brilliant thread anyway, I'll share it around to people I know elsewhere!

:cheers::endthis:
Glad you liked it :D
And fun enough the Loki in the op world is a giant and fun fact there was actually a giant name Útgarða-Loki and he
was the ruler of the castle Útgarðr in Jötunheimr. He was one of the Jötnar and his name means literally "Loki of the Outyards", to distinguish him from Loki, the companion of Thor. He was also known as Skrýmir or Skrymir.

As for WB there is some similarities indeed and they the both fought with a spear odin's one was called Gungnir.

Once more glad you liked it :D
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i know wb weapon is a naginata but it still a sort of spear from my point of view
 
G

Gorosei Informer

#8
Glad you liked it :D
And fun enough the Loki in the op world is a giant and fun fact there was actually a giant name Útgarða-Loki and he
was the ruler of the castle Útgarðr in Jötunheimr. He was one of the Jötnar and his name means literally "Loki of the Outyards", to distinguish him from Loki, the companion of Thor. He was also known as Skrýmir or Skrymir.

As for WB there is some similarities indeed and they the both fought with a spear odin's one was called Gungnir.

Once more glad you liked it :D
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i know wb weapon is a naginata but it still a sort of spear from my point of view

Ah there's more than one Loki that exists then? And ah nice, wow that's awesome!

Thanks very much, this is very fascinating tbh! And yeah, I do kinda liken WB's weapon to a spear too even though it's a naginata ofc as you said.

These are always the best kind of discussions, posts, threads etc. The part of the community I enjoy the most after the memes ofc!

:funky::vistalaugh:
 
#9
Ah there's more than one Loki that exists then? And ah nice, wow that's awesome!

Thanks very much, this is very fascinating tbh! And yeah, I do kinda liken WB's weapon to a spear too even though it's a naginata ofc as you said.

These are always the best kind of discussions, posts, threads etc. The part of the community I enjoy the most after the memes ofc!

:funky::vistalaugh:
Oh yes memes are greate I totally agree with you on all the points
 
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