Chapter Discussion So, to everyone who said Nika was a giant retcon... explain the last chapter

#41
Yeah no shit the Gorosei didn't start shit, they'd have to be real fucking stupid to try. The Gorosei were scared of dying Whitebeard and Prime Shanks from allying. They'd be crapping their trousers if they had to fight what Shanks could bring. Keep in mind that if pre-Wano Kaido heard about this fight happening over the WG either killing or capturing Luffy, he would join in, too, as shown in Marineford (another moment two Yonkou meeting scared the crap out of the Gorosei).
And this hands-tied situation you made up prevents them ever mentioning the problem, or alluding to the problem, or expressing a modacum of frustration that they aren't allowed to deal with the problem, in all the time we saw them before the reveal. Sure. You can believe that I guess. I don't even think Nika is a complete retcon necessarily (though I do think the gear 5 reveal is terrible) but you've picked a wrong battle here I think.
 
#45
Yes, Oda planned out most of the lore and dropped a lot of hints early in the series. Doesn't mean he planned every nitty gritty detail about it will look like and when and in which context it will be revealed and that's probably what bothers people, making them mistake unplanned details for a retcon.
 
#49
This is fair. I'm very interested to know when Oda came up with the concept of Gear 5.
I think he came up with it at the inception of the story the thing is he added so much content later on that it seems like it's a big deal he knew about this stuff early on when in reality, it was supposed to be the core part of the story, we were not supposed to get the seven warlords when it took easily half of the story for example. I feel like he had a roadmap when it started and it was basically buggy-->cp9~~>(something in between I don't know)-->big meme-->kaido-->WG-->buggy
 
#51
If anything the recent chapters make it worse! It was apparently a common tidbit about the Nika legend that he could stretch with an elastic body…and those ultimate morons the Gorosei couldn’t put two and two together?

As if them having the gum gum fruit being guarded by Cipher Pol but forgetting why they were guarding it in the first place wasn’t bad enough.

Dorry, Brogy, Oimo, Kashi, Bonney, etc saw Luffy stretching all over the place…even on worldwide TV during Marineford, but no one mentioned anything?
It’s just terrible and only gets worse with time.
 
#52
If anything the recent chapters make it worse! It was apparently a common tidbit about the Nika legend that he could stretch with an elastic body…and those ultimate morons the Gorosei couldn’t put two and two together?

As if them having the gum gum fruit being guarded by Cipher Pol but forgetting why they were guarding it in the first place wasn’t bad enough.

Dorry, Brogy, Oimo, Kashi, Bonney, etc saw Luffy stretching all over the place…even on worldwide TV during Marineford, but no one mentioned anything?
It’s just terrible and only gets worse with time.
Theyve been trying to assassinate him since alabasta
 

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#53
Theyve been trying to assassinate him since alabasta
WG sends the Marines after Luffy 24/7

Fans: "WHY ISN'T THE WG DOING ANYTHING?"

The Marines were literally created to fight pirates, ugh. The Gorosei CLEARLY don't leave Mary Geoise often (probably after what happened at God Valley), Saturn straight up said that, but, that requires READING. Something One Piece fans don't do when they're powerscaling.

Then if you say "maybe the Gorosei don't want to attack Luffy... because Shanks?" they're like "nooooooooooooooooooooooo no way, Shanks, the guy who barged into the Reverie without asking, could NEVER threaten the Gorosei". Except, you know... when Shanks straight up threated the Gorosei in the manga, but, once again, wow, they'd actually have to READ ONE PIECE rather than yapping about it.

I don't dislike One Piece fans anymore, I dislike people who pretend to like the series when they hate it because of random bullshit that has nothing to do with the actual manga (IE Naruto).

Hating Gear 5/Nika is fine, the people who want to act like the guy who loves freedom being free is a retcon are so fucking insufferable. It's the entire point of the series, holy shit.
 
#54
WG sends the Marines after Luffy 24/7

Fans: "WHY ISN'T THE WG DOING ANYTHING?"

The Marines were literally created to fight pirates, ugh. The Gorosei CLEARLY don't leave Mary Geoise often (probably after what happened at God Valley), Saturn straight up said that, but, that requires READING. Something One Piece fans don't do when they're powerscaling.

Then if you say "maybe the Gorosei don't want to attack Luffy... because Shanks?" they're like "nooooooooooooooooooooooo no way, Shanks, the guy who barged into the Reverie without asking, could NEVER threaten the Gorosei". Except, you know... when Shanks straight up threated the Gorosei in the manga, but, once again, wow, they'd actually have to READ ONE PIECE rather than yapping about it.

I don't dislike One Piece fans anymore, I dislike people who pretend to like the series when they hate it because of random bullshit that has nothing to do with the actual manga (IE Naruto).

Hating Gear 5/Nika is fine, the people who want to act like the guy who loves freedom being free is a retcon are so fucking insufferable. It's the entire point of the series, holy shit.
Lmao, they're not afraid of Shanks. As of the current story they would have no reason to be at all, and so the idea that they couldn't just try to kill Luffy doesn't work
 
#58
WG sends the Marines after Luffy 24/7

Fans: "WHY ISN'T THE WG DOING ANYTHING?"

The Marines were literally created to fight pirates, ugh. The Gorosei CLEARLY don't leave Mary Geoise often (probably after what happened at God Valley), Saturn straight up said that, but, that requires READING. Something One Piece fans don't do when they're powerscaling.

Then if you say "maybe the Gorosei don't want to attack Luffy... because Shanks?" they're like "nooooooooooooooooooooooo no way, Shanks, the guy who barged into the Reverie without asking, could NEVER threaten the Gorosei". Except, you know... when Shanks straight up threated the Gorosei in the manga, but, once again, wow, they'd actually have to READ ONE PIECE rather than yapping about it.

I don't dislike One Piece fans anymore, I dislike people who pretend to like the series when they hate it because of random bullshit that has nothing to do with the actual manga (IE Naruto).

Hating Gear 5/Nika is fine, the people who want to act like the guy who loves freedom being free is a retcon are so fucking insufferable. It's the entire point of the series, holy shit.


It's really funny to me that we have this scene, and the scene in enies lobby where Lucci tells Spandam that he didn't kill Chimney and her cat because he only kills who he's been ordered to, and goes on to explain that even with Robin captured and the Pluton documents retrieved his job isn't over, because when cipher pol gets called in it's for assassination, and people still don't want to believe the government was after Luffy.

Sabaody should be enough, right? Luffy gets reported and Kuma sends them off. The timeskip happens, 2 full years go by with no word of Luffy, and the RUMOR of them being back on sabaody, literally a witness to demaro black, thats enough to call a fleet of Marine warships, a fleet of pacifistas, sentomaru, and kizaru.

Since alabasta the WG response has been excessive and disproportionate to any other pirate the amount of resources that get put into trying to take out Luffy without anyone else noticing why. It's always like one step more than anyone else gets. It's always been this way. If anything, Oda is retconning the reason for why they're doing this into something plot related instead of just him being the main character so he gets the main character action. But instead, the illiterate haters go "why weren't they trying to kill him" they've been doing that for a thousand chapters asshole lol
 
#59
Because he's a Yonkou invading Mary Geoise?

You realize the WG hates pirates... right?
Guards begone, leave us. Because this guy wants to talk. He's not just an invading pirate, he's a dude who tells them shit.

Even if he knows the secret of beating them, which we can only just assume for convenience, there's no leaving that place alive if he's alone and hostile.


It's really funny to me that we have this scene, and the scene in enies lobby where Lucci tells Spandam that he didn't kill Chimney and her cat because he only kills who he's been ordered to, and goes on to explain that even with Robin captured and the Pluton documents retrieved his job isn't over, because when cipher pol gets called in it's for assassination, and people still don't want to believe the government was after Luffy.

Sabaody should be enough, right? Luffy gets reported and Kuma sends them off. The timeskip happens, 2 full years go by with no word of Luffy, and the RUMOR of them being back on sabaody, literally a witness to demaro black, thats enough to call a fleet of Marine warships, a fleet of pacifistas, sentomaru, and kizaru.
Right, which is why I'm saying that Shanks being involved with not killing Luffy doesn't make sense.

The bosses of this series have incredibly poor foresight and reasoning, though. Aokiji has a great relationship with Garp, let's send him after Garp's grandson. Kizaru has a great relationship with Vegapunk, let's send him to egghead. Switch the assignments lmao
 
#60
Because he's a Yonkou invading Mary Geoise?

You realize the WG hates pirates... right?
Powerscaler fanbase still doesn't want to accept Shanks could possibly be doing anything wrong here. The 5 guys who shit talk Akainu to his face, kill children, and treat humans like insects, act all friendly and deferential to Shanks and let him walk in whenever he wants, making time specially for him even when they're already busy "because it's you."

He's the moral center of the series! The perfect nice guy! Shanks was probably threatening them to stay away, yeah, that's it....

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