Controversial Teach is 1000x better final villain than Imu

#42
Imu is a guy who never knew anything about the Ancient Kingdom's technology.

He somehow got kingdoms to unite against them, and then hid in the shadows.

A guy who can actually learn about that stuff and use it can be a bigger threat than Imu ever was.
Huh? Imu knows about Poseidon and it’s likely Uranus that they used to destroy Lulusia too.

All that we’ve seen indicates that Imu is from the Void Century itself and knows what went down.
It’s Blackbeard that’s currently ignorant and searching for Poneglyphs just like everyone else. Caribou has to be taken to him to even tell him about the Ancient Weapons he learned about.

It’s far too late for BB…unless he can go back in time to 800 years ago and start enacting his own tyrannical rule, control the organizations that destroyed Ohara, banned piracy, allowed for jaded monsters like Kaido & Big Mom to arise because of WG policies, killing one of the MC’s brothers and nearly killing the other just because he crossed a Celestial’s path, etc.

The best that BB can hope for is an “after-the-matter” situation where he throws a tantrum and tries to destroy everything after the central conflict of the story is already dealt with. Don’t see why anyone would want that though. Those kinds of villains usually get poor reviews…
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It’s like Sasuke in the final war of Naruto…or Saruman hiding in the Shire at the end of Lord of the Rings…or Cat Sith from Nanatsu no Taizai (7 Deadly Sins). They tend to get poor reception because many have already lost interest by then.
 
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First of all I don't believe at all that Teach will be the final villain although the interaction of his subordinates with Saturn can give Teachtards (aka @Erkan12 since he is the only one in the whole world) a bit of hope.

But I have to agree that having Teach as the final villain would be 1000x a better choice than fucking Imu. Why?

Teach is such a cool character and badass without being overpowered as we see him growing since the beginning of the series. He is always putting himself in dangerous fights and he is not afraid of going for what he wants. Yes he is not stupid as Luffy to go for impossible fights but he is still too fucking brave.

Now what about Imu? Well first of all Imu doesn't even look THAT strong from what we saw so far. His CoO (if he has) sucks since he couldn't sense Sabo on the same room as him. His lethality sucks since he couldn't one shot fucking Cobra (old ass regular human weaker than Vivi). His speed sucks since he allowed Sabo to escape (and he almost escaped while carrying Cobra with him). All he did was sucking some fire from Sabo's Fire Fist attack and back stabbing Sabo on the run while he was carrying Cobra.

Now let's recap Teach's feats along the series... Killed Thatch to have his dream DF for him. Then he 1v1 Ace and survived while Ace was arrested. Then he became a Shichibukai and made his master plan of breaking Impel Down and getting half of his current crew from the best prisoners that were there plus Shiryuu (forgot his role). Then he went to Marineford to kill Whitebeard (failed but disease helped him) and got his DF. Then he fought Marco and WB remainers getting control over their territory and becoming a Yonko. Then he convinced an Ex-Admiral to join his crew. This man is a beast. Just a reminder that while he was doing all that Big Mom was fucking waiting to have the perfect marriage for her kids, Kaido was fucking waiting to have an army of gifters. Shanks was fucking waiting Loda knows who or what.

Now let's recap Imu's feats along the series... Made some stuff 800 years ago during Void Century. Then he hid himself for 800 years and played with Gorosei of being the King of the World although he couldn't get out of his room (maybe 800 years grounded?).

That's the truth.

For those reasons having a badass character like Teach would be 1000x better as a final villain than a grounded child character as Imu playing as King of the World with his Gorosei babysitters.
Teach is probably the final villain cause the main theme of this manga is ambition.

Imu and the Gorosei have been resting on their laurels for the past 900 years thinking they're hot shit and can't ever be beaten. They're in for a wakeup call real soon.
The future belongs to the upstarts like Teach and Luffy.
 
#48
Blackbeard is a coward and has more plot convenience than any other character. Imu at least represent the corrupt system that rules the One Piece world.
 

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#49
MonsterKaido I think you're one of the shitty fans.

People like you shouldn't read the story.
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If you don't understand that fate itself has been trying to stop Imu from using anything really powerful then you are not understanding the story, and what it implies about him.

We won't be talking any further.
You need to understand one thing...most people frame their opinion based on agenda.


Majority of the people who will say "BB is not fit to be FV" are those who are Kaido fans or other yonkou fans who don't want any yonkou or even admiral to be strongest than their fav.

Being a FV means being second strongest after luffy in the series and Luffy's strongest opponent.

Imu doesn't have any fans at all. People hardly know shit about him. He doesn't fit in this agenda war as of now.


What makes BB a good FV is that we have seen his growth along side SHs.

Pepp often say "BBPs are meh... nothing great..just lucky" well they are exactly like SHs mirror image.

These same people cry when SHs don't get one vs one.... while ignoring that BBPs are the only crew with whom SHs can go one vs one.

You can like BB or not, but atleast he has directly or indirectly, involved himself into plots.

Imu and WG has maintained status quo from past 800 years....


This manga started with Luffy looking for a crew to sail with everyone getting in to fulfil dreams.


I don't want half of them to get sidelined in the final war which is bound to happen against WG.


To me, they all having final fight... one vs one for everyone to overcome final stepped stone to have their dreams is more fitting
 
#50
You need to understand one thing...most people frame their opinion based on agenda.


Majority of the people who will say "BB is not fit to be FV" are those who are Kaido fans or other yonkou fans who don't want any yonkou or even admiral to be strongest than their fav.

Being a FV means being second strongest after luffy in the series and Luffy's strongest opponent.

Imu doesn't have any fans at all. People hardly know shit about him. He doesn't fit in this agenda war as of now.


What makes BB a good FV is that we have seen his growth along side SHs.

Pepp often say "BBPs are meh... nothing great..just lucky" well they are exactly like SHs mirror image.

These same people cry when SHs don't get one vs one.... while ignoring that BBPs are the only crew with whom SHs can go one vs one.

You can like BB or not, but atleast he has directly or indirectly, involved himself into plots.

Imu and WG has maintained status quo from past 800 years....


This manga started with Luffy looking for a crew to sail with everyone getting in to fulfil dreams.


I don't want half of them to get sidelined in the final war which is bound to happen against WG.


To me, they all having final fight... one vs one for everyone to overcome final stepped stone to have their dreams is more fitting
You need to understand that not everything is about power level. Even if BB comes at end and is stronger its fine but Imu can still be considered as main villain of one piece as he has been subjugating the one piece world for more than 800 years now. All the crimes done in the 800 years will be traced back to him. Even if BB's ancestor was responsible for fall of D clan , it is not that strong of a connection to BB.
 
#51
There are no good villains nor a good MC so don't even care... I just hope story is handled as to not ruin the series... Characters were never focused anyway
 
#52
Now what about Imu? Well first of all Imu doesn't even look THAT strong from what we saw so far. His CoO (if he has) sucks since he couldn't sense Sabo on the same room as him. His lethality sucks since he couldn't one shot fucking Cobra (old ass regular human weaker than Vivi). His speed sucks since he allowed Sabo to escape (and he almost escaped while carrying Cobra with him). All he did was sucking some fire from Sabo's Fire Fist attack and back stabbing Sabo on the run while he was carrying Cobra
If your concern is Imu might be weak, then you're being dumb.

Oda can retcon Imu powerlevel until the very end..
For those reasons having a badass character like Teach would be 1000x better as a final villain than a grounded child character as Imu playing as King of the World with his Gorosei babysitters.
Better is good word. That's worth discussing.
 

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#53
You need to understand that not everything is about power level. Even if BB comes at end and is stronger its fine but Imu can still be considered as main villain of one piece as he has been subjugating the one piece world for more than 800 years now. All the crimes done in the 800 years will be traced back to him. Even if BB's ancestor was responsible for fall of D clan , it is not that strong of a connection to BB.
Obviously I understand that. I am always 50/50 on BB as FV..


I do know that WG got setup of bigger evil here.

However, this does not mean BB is not fit to be FV.

If I have to pick between IMU and BB, then I will pick BB because we have seen him growing and not IMU who got revealed few years and after 25 years there is not even a single development associated with him.



There is absolutely no connection with IMU whereas with BB you got everything which goes oppose Luffy.

As a reader, oda build connection with Shs growing up and not with what happened 800 years ago.

As a reader, you care more about SHs battles than what happened 800 years ago.

And, BB is Luffy's battle - a final one vs one for all SHs
 
#54
Obviously I understand that. I am always 50/50 on BB as FV..


I do know that WG got setup of bigger evil here.

However, this does not mean BB is not fit to be FV.

If I have to pick between IMU and BB, then I will pick BB because we have seen him growing and not IMU who got revealed few years and after 25 years there is not even a single development associated with him.



There is absolutely no connection with IMU whereas with BB you got everything which goes oppose Luffy.

As a reader, oda build connection with Shs growing up and not with what happened 800 years ago.

As a reader, you care more about SHs battles than what happened 800 years ago.

And, BB is Luffy's battle - a final one vs one for all SHs
One piece's strongest suit is world building and plot/story. BB is unique yes in that way that unlike most villains , he has been actively growing and will be the strongest pirate opponent to face luffy ever. But Imu for now represents the main big bad of the OP world. The marines are portrayed to be the strongest single unit. SHs have stopped growing since post skip as characters for most part.

Luffy has dumbed down even. Pre skip sanji > post skip etc. Imu simply feels logical main villain by narrative. We shall see which route oda goes.
 
#55
I think Shanks has the right idea...

He warned an Emperor of the Sea, and the Emperor of the Sea ended up getting destroyed because he didn't listen. (Whitebeard)
He warned the World Government, and the World Government may end up destroyed because they didn't listen. (Five Elders)

Why is Shanks going around warning everyone about Blackbeard, and nobody is listening? They're all calling him a fraud n shit.

Well, I think you all got a big surprise coming lol

:moonwalk::shocking:
 
#56
As much as I want Teach to be the FV, Imu to me has a lot more momentum as ancient immortal ruler of the world, big bad of centuries worth of pain, etc
But personally Teach being the final roadblock or last test to get One Piece is more appealing. I like the idea of Pirate V. Pirate as penultimate event to acquire One Piece, and could result after Imu is toppled, sticking with the theme of old era being ushered out in favor of new era, with Luffy and Blackbeard fighting for who's era it will be for as PK. I think for now the pendulum is swung in favor of Imu being last villain, but I think it's gonna go back and forth with upcoming events
 
#57
Yeah this thread will most definitely age extremely poorly, I'm just letting you know now so that you don't look like a fool later.
No it won't. There is no way of Oda to retcon what happened. Imu I'd a coward living in the shadows. Nothing impressive compared to Teach that is facing even Whitebeard.
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Teach is probably the final villain cause the main theme of this manga is ambition.

Imu and the Gorosei have been resting on their laurels for the past 900 years thinking they're hot shit and can't ever be beaten. They're in for a wakeup call real soon.
The future belongs to the upstarts like Teach and Luffy.
Makes sense but this is not a manga for Teach to win.
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If your concern is Imu might be weak, then you're being dumb.

Oda can retcon Imu powerlevel until the very end..
This is not my concern. Oda already showed us how weak he is. And yes his strength can be retconned but the narrative will remain the same as I said. He is a coward living in the shadows.
 
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