Powers & Abilities The Admirals have offense on par or stronger than Yonko's with Advanced Conqueror's Haki (1053 spoilers)

#1
Greenbull just casually pierced King's tough Lunarian skin with his DF that Zoro literally needed Conqueror's Haki (the strongest form of Haki) to even affect.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVaNvAUXEAY227K?format=jpg&name=medium

This means Greenbull has offense at the very least on par with Advanced Conqueror's Haki users with just the power of his DF.

And he's just using vines, his superior Akainu who is likely stronger uses Magma and his fruit is considered to have the strongest offense. (Was Oda getting rid of Kaido and Big Mom in magma a foreshadowing of his power?)

And this offense comes from just Devil Fruits, if Akainu also has ACoC then damn son :akaman:
 
#5
King's defence is not even comparable to Katakuri's and he was not even a specialist in the defensive area.
That's not an impressive feat, let alone compared with a Yonko's attack power lol.

Doing relevant damage via blunt impacts is much impressive than piercing X defence. Skin hardness doesnt go according to the characters' overall lvl generally, though King's case is the exception. His skin hardness is same as his overall lvl (let's say attack power of common YC1 = 1000 points, King's skin hardness = 1000 points too).
An Admiral piercing a YC1 defence of 1000 points is the same as an Admiral destroying an attack of a YC1 (1000 points). Would that be impressive? No, ofc not. It's a given.
 

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#7
Firstly, CoC, or any kind of Haki, isn't the strongest ability in One Piece. It's the ability with the most potential and its potential depends on the user just like any other ability. So the people with abilities other than CoC could be just as good if not better than CoC users depending on their potential.

Ignore the nature of abilities for a bit, it never made any sense whatsoever for the Rocks duo, who primarily excel at defense, to be as good as the admirals who excel at offense. If these two have incomparably better defenses than the admirals, then it's only natural the admirals are just that much better or at least significantly better than the Rocks duo. With that being said, yes, Green Bull's offense should be better than Big Mom and Kaido's, and it is better than theirs, but it's not because he broke King's skin.

King is in a weakened state and his fire defense isn't up, which is what makes him so durable in the first place.
 
#8
Firstly, CoC, or any kind of Haki, isn't the strongest ability in One Piece. It's the ability with the most potential and its potential depends on the user just like any other ability. So the people with abilities other than CoC could be just as good if not better than CoC users depending on their potential.
I agree with you but you're gonna tick off a lot of Zoro fanboys with that statement. :suresure:
 

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#9
I agree with you but you're gonna tick off a lot of Zoro fanboys with that statement. :suresure:
I've been reiterating this from the very beginning. I'd say most Zoro fans are smart enough to understand it. They just love using CoC as an excuse to mock Sanji. Most people who dickride CoC aren't even Zoro fans; Z-boys only joined to wank after 1009.
 
#10
Firstly, CoC, or any kind of Haki, isn't the strongest ability in One Piece. It's the ability with the most potential and its potential depends on the user just like any other ability. So the people with abilities other than CoC could be just as good if not better than CoC users depending on their potential.

Ignore the nature of abilities for a bit, it never made any sense whatsoever for the Rocks duo, who primarily excel at defense, to be as good as the admirals who excel at offense. If these two have incomparably better defenses than the admirals, then it's only natural the admirals are just that much better or at least significantly better than the Rocks duo. With that being said, yes, Green Bull's offense should be better than Big Mom and Kaido's, and it is better than theirs, but it's not because he broke King's skin.

King is in a weakened state and his fire defense isn't up, which is what makes him so durable in the first place.
Haki is required to be a top tier and Devil fruit isn’t. That alone makes haki the strongest ability in One piece.
 

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#11
Haki is required to be a top tier and Devil fruit isn’t. That alone makes haki the strongest ability in One piece.
As I said, it depends on the user's potential. There are ability users who can be as good as if not better than most Haki users. What you're doing is, taking a selected few people who're born with an excellent talent for Haki and trying to represent the entire spectrum with them. You can't paint them all with the same brush.

Yes, there are pure Haki users who made it to the top-tier status without a DF while there are no pure DF users who became top-tiers without Haki. But for most top-tiers, DF abilities are just as big a reason for them being as strong as they as their Haki. And your average DF user is stronger than your average Haki user. Haki is just the ability with the most potential. It could triumph all abilities as Kaido suggested but it doesn't mean it always does it.
 
#13
Greenbull just casually pierced King's tough Lunarian skin with his DF that Zoro literally needed Conqueror's Haki (the strongest form of Haki) to even affect.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVaNvAUXEAY227K?format=jpg&name=medium

This means Greenbull has offense at the very least on par with Advanced Conqueror's Haki users with just the power of his DF.

And he's just using vines, his superior Akainu who is likely stronger uses Magma and his fruit is considered to have the strongest offense. (Was Oda getting rid of Kaido and Big Mom in magma a foreshadowing of his power?)

And this offense comes from just Devil Fruits, if Akainu also has ACoC then damn son :akaman:
It was never said that AdCoC was needed to hurt King. What's more, Zoro himself before waking up AdCoC managed to hurt him. I don't know where you got that to hurt King you need AdCoC.

There is a theory that AdCoC could hurt King even when he uses his flames, which I personally think is likely as AdCoC is the most powerful attack to date. If not, King would be very broken. However, this is just a theory at the moment, as Zoro never hit King using his flame with AdCoC.
 
#15
As I said, it depends on the user's potential. There are ability users who can be as good as if not better than most Haki users. What you're doing is, taking a selected few people who're born with an excellent talent for Haki and trying to represent the entire spectrum with them. You can't paint them all with the same brush.

Yes, there are pure Haki users who made it to the top-tier status without a DF while there are no pure DF users who became top-tiers without Haki. But for most top-tiers, DF abilities are just as big a reason for them being as strong as they as their Haki. And your average DF user is stronger than your average Haki user. Haki is just the ability with the most potential. It could triumph all abilities as Kaido suggested but it doesn't mean it always does it.
If someone without haki face logia user he doesn't stand a chance no matter how hax or OP his fruit is. Haki is only counter against hax DF.
 
#18
Firstly, CoC, or any kind of Haki, isn't the strongest ability in One Piece. It's the ability with the most potential and its potential depends on the user just like any other ability. So the people with abilities other than CoC could be just as good if not better than CoC users depending on their potential.

Ignore the nature of abilities for a bit, it never made any sense whatsoever for the Rocks duo, who primarily excel at defense, to be as good as the admirals who excel at offense. If these two have incomparably better defenses than the admirals, then it's only natural the admirals are just that much better or at least significantly better than the Rocks duo. With that being said, yes, Green Bull's offense should be better than Big Mom and Kaido's, and it is better than theirs, but it's not because he broke King's skin.

King is in a weakened state and his fire defense isn't up, which is what makes him so durable in the first place.
Headcanons

No admirals has better offense than BM and Kaido
 
#19
Greenbull just casually pierced King's tough Lunarian skin with his DF that Zoro literally needed Conqueror's Haki (the strongest form of Haki) to even affect.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVaNvAUXEAY227K?format=jpg&name=medium

This means Greenbull has offense at the very least on par with Advanced Conqueror's Haki users with just the power of his DF.

And he's just using vines, his superior Akainu who is likely stronger uses Magma and his fruit is considered to have the strongest offense. (Was Oda getting rid of Kaido and Big Mom in magma a foreshadowing of his power?)

And this offense comes from just Devil Fruits, if Akainu also has ACoC then damn son :akaman:
Adv CoC is not required to beat King, all you need to know is his weakness.
 
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