Future Events The Possibility of Some Strawhats losing to Tobi Roppo and getting saved by Scabbards.
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Good thread. Some people just try to ignore the context when it comes to these fights. Nothing implied that Nami and Ussop were at the level of Ulti and P1. In fact manga shows the opposite with Ulti alone destroying both.
Franky in his strongest form is fighting Sasaki in his weakest forml.
Robin + Brook are taking on Maria and her crew.
So it is obvious there will be some plot assistance if the SHs are to win
Franky in his strongest form is fighting Sasaki in his weakest forml.
Robin + Brook are taking on Maria and her crew.
So it is obvious there will be some plot assistance if the SHs are to win
Chopper, Nami and Usopp can fight Daifuku, Compote and Mont'dor 
Franky, Heat and Wire beating Perospero, Ulti and Pageone in act 4 makes more sense. EOW Luffy should be a bit weaker than the emperors or as strong as the weakest one so his crewmembers don't need to become that strong at the end of Wano it is not like we are in laughtale or something 
they still have to deal with the BP
Franky, Heat and Wire beating Perospero, Ulti and Pageone in act 4 makes more sense. EOW Luffy should be a bit weaker than the emperors or as strong as the weakest one so his crewmembers don't need to become that strong at the end of Wano it is not like we are in laughtale or something they still have to deal with the BP
My boy, Franky, ain't losing. He already wounded Sasaki and I recall Franky mentioning before Wano that he'd create a weapon. Maybe he already used it or it isn't meant for Sasaki (he said he built some weapons to use against Kaido but I assume he just means the Beast Pirates). Either way, he's done too well to suddenly lose. Kyoushiro showing up and assisting would make some sense but I'd prefer if Franky finished his battle on his own.
I'd like to see Usopp and Nami pull through on their own. They faced Ulti and Page One before and lost but I'm hoping we'll see more from them this time around. Usopp already showed that he has the means to stall them and Nami can harm them. Just have them make use of their abilities and I can see them winning without too much interference.
Brook and Robin have it in the bag. Brook can freeze the webs and him and Robin can easily handle the female members of the crew. Sanji already dealt with the male members. All that's left is going all out against Black Maria with that weapon of her's. Robin already landed a hit and can teleport. Jimbei seems to be handling Who's Who just fine.
Overall, I don't see any of them losing. Nami and Usopp already lost. No need for anyone else to.
I'd like to see Usopp and Nami pull through on their own. They faced Ulti and Page One before and lost but I'm hoping we'll see more from them this time around. Usopp already showed that he has the means to stall them and Nami can harm them. Just have them make use of their abilities and I can see them winning without too much interference.
Brook and Robin have it in the bag. Brook can freeze the webs and him and Robin can easily handle the female members of the crew. Sanji already dealt with the male members. All that's left is going all out against Black Maria with that weapon of her's. Robin already landed a hit and can teleport. Jimbei seems to be handling Who's Who just fine.
Overall, I don't see any of them losing. Nami and Usopp already lost. No need for anyone else to.
I didn't think Franky stood a chance before but Oda has Franky wrestling Sasaki and doing well. At a point, he busted out a sword and slashed him (Sasaki was distracted, I'll admit).
The moment Sasaki got help from his Gifters, I stopped thinking he'd be that much stronger than Franky. We've seen a bit of the fight and Franky isn't losing so far. All Sasaki has left is hybrid and Franky might still pull out weapons then, plus Brook and Robin might handle Black Maria with room to spare. If not, I mean, Franky's in his General at the moment, not like he's fighting without a huge boost.
The moment Sasaki got help from his Gifters, I stopped thinking he'd be that much stronger than Franky. We've seen a bit of the fight and Franky isn't losing so far. All Sasaki has left is hybrid and Franky might still pull out weapons then, plus Brook and Robin might handle Black Maria with room to spare. If not, I mean, Franky's in his General at the moment, not like he's fighting without a huge boost.
Indeed in my opinion it would constitute too much of an inconsistent writing if Oda portrayed some of the SHs to lose against the F6s, in that we were long awaiting for their moment, and also albeit rather strong characters, the latter are probably far far far weaker than the EoS Blackbeard Pirates.
Tama already counts as help though which is why I don’t think Oda will add more. The main reason usopp and nami lost is because they’re ranged fighters. Tama has basically solved the problem of getting distance between them and Ulti/P1
I don’t think we’ve seen enough of Franky’s fight because he seems to be doing well so far and doesn’t need help unless oda adds in an unforeseen factor
I don’t think we’ve seen enough of Franky’s fight because he seems to be doing well so far and doesn’t need help unless oda adds in an unforeseen factor
It's very possible that the Straw Hats get some help.
But of all the fights the one that I think will really needs some help is Franky.
Jinbe is insanely strong, even facing off with the strongest Tobi Roppo and his subordinates, he should be capable of defeating them alone.
Robin and Brook fighting together and defeating Black Maria isn't impossible in my opinion. Especially considering the fact that Brook ice abilities are effective against her webs.
Nami and Usopp in a straight 2 vs 2 fight they don't stand any chance against Ulti and Page One (The result is what happened in chap. 995). However with the help of Tama controlling an army of Gifters and Headliners things are a lot different. I think if they make Page One and Ulti fight an entire army of Smile users, it will leave those two very injured and tired while Usopp and Nami prepare some kind of trap to give the final blow. Now with Tama there, it's no longer impossible to defeat the two Tobi Roppo.
Franky is the only one I'm not confident that could defeat Sasaki alone. I think Sasaki is the 2nd strongest Tobi Roppo, and probably around equal in strength to Snack or Perospero from the Big Mom crew, he should be really powerful. For example I think Sasaki should be equal or stronger than Vergo (Vergo is someone that defeated Smoker).
My ideal scenario would be when Sasaki goes 100% (hybrid form) and starts destroying the Shogun, Franky would try to defeat him by self-destructive the Shogun. It wouldn't work but would leave Sasaki very injure, and then Sasaki will start beating Franky, but either Kid crew (Heat, Wire, and the rest) will save him and team up with him to finish off Sasaki, or Yamato will save him and then she will defeat Sasaki alone.
But of all the fights the one that I think will really needs some help is Franky.
Jinbe is insanely strong, even facing off with the strongest Tobi Roppo and his subordinates, he should be capable of defeating them alone.
Robin and Brook fighting together and defeating Black Maria isn't impossible in my opinion. Especially considering the fact that Brook ice abilities are effective against her webs.
Nami and Usopp in a straight 2 vs 2 fight they don't stand any chance against Ulti and Page One (The result is what happened in chap. 995). However with the help of Tama controlling an army of Gifters and Headliners things are a lot different. I think if they make Page One and Ulti fight an entire army of Smile users, it will leave those two very injured and tired while Usopp and Nami prepare some kind of trap to give the final blow. Now with Tama there, it's no longer impossible to defeat the two Tobi Roppo.
Franky is the only one I'm not confident that could defeat Sasaki alone. I think Sasaki is the 2nd strongest Tobi Roppo, and probably around equal in strength to Snack or Perospero from the Big Mom crew, he should be really powerful. For example I think Sasaki should be equal or stronger than Vergo (Vergo is someone that defeated Smoker).
My ideal scenario would be when Sasaki goes 100% (hybrid form) and starts destroying the Shogun, Franky would try to defeat him by self-destructive the Shogun. It wouldn't work but would leave Sasaki very injure, and then Sasaki will start beating Franky, but either Kid crew (Heat, Wire, and the rest) will save him and team up with him to finish off Sasaki, or Yamato will save him and then she will defeat Sasaki alone.
Yes, yes, yes please. Now that I hear it I want it. This is what the Scabbards need to redeem themselves.
Do not care about the Strawhats minus Luffy, Zoro and Jinbei. I liked Sanji a lot pre skip, but he has been a disappointment thus far. They are so boring and should already be replaced by Worstgen or characters like Marco, Yamato and Katakuri
Do not care about the Strawhats minus Luffy, Zoro and Jinbei. I liked Sanji a lot pre skip, but he has been a disappointment thus far. They are so boring and should already be replaced by Worstgen or characters like Marco, Yamato and Katakuri
