Versus Battle Tobirama vs Ay

[Jiihad]

Who wins tha bout? Tha Second Hokage or tha Fourth Raikage. Creator of tha Flying Thunder God technique or tha Fastest Kage since tha Fourth?

Tobirama:

1. Greatest Water Style User ever
2. Flying Thunder God technique
3. Tailed Beast lvls of Chakra
4. Reanimation Jutsu
5. Flying Thunder God Sword

Ay:

1. Lightning Armor
2. Taijutsu expert
3. Lighting enhanced speed

Personally I have Tobirama winning this at midd diff, Ay biggest attribute is his speed in his Lighting Armor mode. But Tobirama created tha FTG and as such speed isn’t an issue with him. Not to mention his mastery in Water Jutsu and chakra lvls.

Distance: 50m at start
Location: Chunin exam Finals Stage
Intent: To Kill

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[L o g i a]

Tobirama's got this one, but will struggle due to Raiton's relationship with Suiton. Either way, he can use all his paper bomb techs to penetrate Ays armour instead. In terms of speed, Tobirama wins as well, so Raikage's main weapon isn't useful at all here.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Tobirama was not the greatest water style user ever, that honor goes to Kisame Hoshigaki whose displayed a mastery and proficiency which has not yet been rivaled. Likewise, the hype Tobirama received for his suiton in the manga amounted to surprise "using Suiton without a water supply..!" which is fodder shinobi tricks in Part 2.

If Edo Tensei isn't restricted, Tobirama low, close to no-diffs. The only issue with his Edo Tensei + FTG is the fact he was never clever enough to connect it to kunai, so he can't just send in an Edo Tensei to suicide bomb Ay immediately. He'll have to draw the fight out until he's at a safe distance lol.

If Edo Tensei is restricted, Tobirama mid diffs. His reaction time is good enough to tag a brain-dead Juubito, nearly catch Madara off guard, and is nearly on par with Minato. Provided he puts a seal anywhere on the battlefield, away from Ay, he is free to confront and mark Ay and then retreat before he gets hit. He can now appear with or without shadow clones to harass and distract Ay as he tries to bisect him with a suiton.

IMO, Tobirama without Edo Tensei is at the very top of the High-Kage tier. I have Ay as near the middle, maybe at the lower-end of High-Kage tier. Tobirama's got too many raw stats over Ay and then proficiency in techniques like Shadow clones that'll let him gang up on the pro-wrestler.

50 meters also kills Ay lol. No way can he even try to blitz with that distance.

 

[L o g i a]

Tobirama was not the greatest water style user ever, that honor goes to Kisame Hoshigaki whose displayed a mastery and proficiency which has not yet been rivaled. Likewise, the hype Tobirama received for his suiton in the manga amounted to surprise "using Suiton without a water supply..!" which is fodder shinobi tricks in Part 2.

If Edo Tensei isn't restricted, Tobirama low, close to no-diffs. The only issue with his Edo Tensei + FTG is the fact he was never clever enough to connect it to kunai, so he can't just send in an Edo Tensei to suicide bomb Ay immediately. He'll have to draw the fight out until he's at a safe distance lol.

If Edo Tensei is restricted, Tobirama mid diffs. His reaction time is good enough to tag a brain-dead Juubito, nearly catch Madara off guard, and is nearly on par with Minato. Provided he puts a seal anywhere on the battlefield, away from Ay, he is free to confront and mark Ay and then retreat before he gets hit. He can now appear with or without shadow clones to harass and distract Ay as he tries to bisect him with a suiton.

IMO, Tobirama without Edo Tensei is at the very top of the High-Kage tier. I have Ay as near the middle, maybe at the lower-end of High-Kage tier. Tobirama's got too many raw stats over Ay and then proficiency in techniques like Shadow clones that'll let him gang up on the pro-wrestler.

Kisame's water style is pathetic by comparison to Tobirama. Heck, Gengetsu - 3rd Mizukage - is levels above Kisame for Suiton, and he doesn't compare with Tobirama either. If you're getting hyped about your water style by somebody who has seen both Tobiramas and Hiruzens for comparison, it's clear what kind of level we're dealing with here

Either way, Tobirama actually would have killed Madara if he wasnt an edo tensei on two occasions. Weirdly enough, I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to reach the same tier as Madara and Hashirama while they had their final duel. That's the scale of Suiton we're talking about.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Kisame's water style is pathetic by comparison to Tobirama. Heck, Gengetsu - 3rd Mizukage - is levels above Kisame for Suiton, and he doesn't compare with Tobirama either.
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Lmao. In what ways are either above Kisame?

Joki-boy from Gengetsu is mildly impressive but not nearly imposing. It was easily countered and only offed fodder. Tobirama has high-pressure suiton aimed at cutting, but again, how is that more impressive than a thousand-feeding sharks, daikodan, Great Exploding wave or the Shark dance?

 

[L o g i a]

Lmao. In what ways are either above Kisame?

Joki-boy from Gengetsu is mildly impressive but not nearly imposing. It was easily countered and only offed fodder. Tobirama has high-pressure suiton aimed at cutting, but again, how is that more impressive than a thousand-feeding sharks, daikodan, Great Exploding wave or the Shark dance?

He doesn't need to be imposing. Kisame's no stronger than any of the 5 kage of that generation, or if he was, he was barely. Gengetsu was fighting Gaara, Ohnoki and thousands of footsoldiers (including Jonin for sure) and he was even TELLING THEM how to beat him and they couldn't. Besides, the infinitely exploding oil clone >>>>>>>>>> anything Kisame has. Let alone the Genjutsu.

And Tobirama's suiton is stronger than that.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Tobirama is surely great but he didn't master his own creations as Minato and others did.

Raikage speed power and armour will make it hard for Tobirama.

Raikage was able to tag minato who's faster than Tobirama and had mastery over many skills.

I see Tobirama winning extreme diff due to him being a genius who made many skills.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

He doesn't need to be imposing. Kisame's no stronger than any of the 5 kage of that generation, or if he was, he was barely. Gengetsu was fighting Gaara, Ohnoki and thousands of footsoldiers (including Jonin for sure) and he was even TELLING THEM how to beat him and they couldn't. Besides, the infinitely exploding oil clone >>>>>>>>>> anything Kisame has. Let alone the Genjutsu.

And Tobirama's suiton is stronger than that.

Kisame doesn't need Samehada to beat Gengetsu lol.

Joki-boi operates on the idea that the clone will progressively heat up. The solution? Dilute it with water or send Daikodan - the shark missile that Kisame can create that absorbs chakra. Boom. Joki-boi and a majority of Gengetsu's power is gone. Because, as Oonoki reminded us, Joki-Boi weakens Gengetsu significantly.

The clam-mirage works by pumping mist into the air though and having Gengetsu's chakra infused in it reflect light. The easy solution? Exploding-Wave or Great Exploding-Wave to clear the area of mist, or simply navigate under the water where the genjutsu cannot exist.

The Mizukage is defeated without the usage of Samehada and it's not even a high difficulty fight.

Tobirama's suiton is pellets he fires at a close-range and has only ever relied on as a last resort lol. Suiton is not his go-to, nor is he more powerful with the element than Kisame Hoshigaki.

 

[OmegaPsyche]

Ay dominates in taijutsu.
Ay dominates in ninjutsu cause lightning overcomes water.
Ay seems weak against genjutsu users, so I guess Tobirama can trap him with that.

Tobirama wins cause of the genjutsu technicality.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

I never made it to Tobirama lol, but Ay seems to be pretty one note while from what I understand, Tobirama creates many powerful jutsu.

I’d probably go with Tobirama from hype.

 

[Jiihad]

I never made it to Tobirama lol, but Ay seems to be pretty one note while from what I understand, Tobirama creates many powerful jutsu.

I’d probably go with Tobirama from hype.

Bruh Tobirama is cold as hell lol, man created tha FTG, reanination jutsu, and had the blade if tha Thunder God lol. And had Genjutsu lol. Homie was a monster

Ay dominates in taijutsu.
Ay dominates in ninjutsu cause lightning overcomes water.
Ay seems weak against genjutsu users, so I guess Tobirama can trap him with that.

Tobirama wins cause of the genjutsu technicality.

Ion know bout dominates in Taijutsu considering Tobirama has flying Thunder God so Ay can’t outspeed him. And H2H combat eh. We’ve only seen Ay dominate randoms and weaklings with his lightning strikes. While Tobirama was tagging Juubito

Ay is a Taijutsu specialist. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this man use a ninjutsu, only lightning improved strikes. So Na, he ain’t got a Jutsu advantage

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Tobirama killed an MS user, hyped to be of the same level as MS Madara, straight up blitzing him, in his edo version, which was noted to be weaker than his living self, was able to tag and react to Juubito, who shits on Ai in terms of speed. Tobirama has this in the bag. Tobirama is also much more versatile, able to adapt to battles, while Ai is more of a one dimensional fighter. Imo Ai is mid kage, where I think the sanin are as well, maybe a bit above Ai tho, while Tobi is high kage.

 

[OmegaPsyche]

Bruh Tobirama is cold as hell lol, man created tha FTG, reanination jutsu, and had the blade if tha Thunder God lol. And had Genjutsu lol. Homie was a monster



Ion know bout dominates in Taijutsu considering Tobirama has flying Thunder God so Ay can’t outspeed him. And H2H combat eh. We’ve only seen Ay dominate randoms and weaklings with his lightning strikes. While Tobirama was tagging Juubito

Ay is a Taijutsu specialist. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this man use a ninjutsu, only lightning improved strikes. So Na, he ain’t got a Jutsu advantage

Da fuk's wrong with me? I keep confusing Naruto details & characters.

Yeah, Tobirama dominates 4th raikage. I was referring to 3rd raikage. My bad.

 

[Draco]

Tobirama lol diff (mid diff at worst).

With FTG he is faster than A4 (And we know A4 couldn't have touched Minato even when he rushed towards his marked kunais, he won't troll Tobirama who is smarter than Yondaime.), he is far smarter than him. He'll end up by tricking and marking him.

Then he spamm that:

Spoiler

And it can be over quickly. A4 doesn't have his father skin durability.

It will be more hard but if he suceed to place that Edo Tensei attack:

Spoiler

One Shot.

Tobirama is too faster, smarter and versatile to lose here.

 

[L o g i a]

Tobirama is surely great but he didn't master his own creations as Minato and others did.

Raikage speed power and armour will make it hard for Tobirama.

Raikage was able to tag minato who's faster than Tobirama and had mastery over many skills.

I see Tobirama winning extreme diff due to him being a genius who made many skills.

Tobirama's teleportation was inferior to Minato's but got the better of Juubito. End of speed discussion.

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Kisame doesn't need Samehada to beat Gengetsu lol.

Joki-boi operates on the idea that the clone will progressively heat up. The solution? Dilute it with water or send Daikodan - the shark missile that Kisame can create that absorbs chakra. Boom. Joki-boi and a majority of Gengetsu's power is gone. Because, as Oonoki reminded us, Joki-Boi weakens Gengetsu significantly.

The clam-mirage works by pumping mist into the air though and having Gengetsu's chakra infused in it reflect light. The easy solution? Exploding-Wave or Great Exploding-Wave to clear the area of mist, or simply navigate under the water where the genjutsu cannot exist.

The Mizukage is defeated without the usage of Samehada and it's not even a high difficulty fight.

Tobirama's suiton is pellets he fires at a close-range and has only ever relied on as a last resort lol. Suiton is not his go-to, nor is he more powerful with the element than Kisame Hoshigaki.

So you think Samehada-less Kisame > Ohnoki + Gaara + 4,000 Jonin and Chunin all at the same time? STFU with that bullshit lmfao!!!

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Tobirama's teleportation was inferior to Minato's but got the better of Juubito. End of speed discussion.

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So you think Samehada-less Kisame > Ohnoki + Gaara + 4,000 Jonin and Chunin all at the same time? STFU with that bullshit lmfao!!!

Lmao. Oonoki who was worn out from fighting Muu, who had his back give-out almost immediately, and Gaara who handled everything Trollkage dished out with relative ease? Fodder don't matter in the least bit, not worth mentioning at all.

If you're just gonna ignore the counters I put forth for Gengetsu's techniques, I think we're done here lol.

 

[L o g i a]

Lmao. Oonoki who was worn out from fighting Muu, who had his back give-out almost immediately, and Gaara who handled everything Trollkage dished out with relative ease? Fodder don't matter in the least bit, not worth mentioning at all.

If you're just gonna ignore the counters I put forth for Gengetsu's techniques, I think we're done here lol.

You're really underestimating Gengetsu

He toldthem how to beat him and still ouldn't. Two KAGE level shinobi. On top of that, this guy was equal with Muu and Ays father, the strongest Raikage. Kisame would be lucky to survive 1v1 with Ohnoki alone.

This shows just how comparatively ridiculous Tobirama is

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You're really underestimating Gengetsu

He toldthem how to beat him and still ouldn't. Two KAGE level shinobi. On top of that, this guy was equal with Muu and Ays father, the strongest Raikage. Kisame would be lucky to survive 1v1 with Ohnoki alone.

This shows just how comparatively ridiculous Tobirama is

So you're still not answering me, but working around my statements.

Gengetsu told fodder, who have zero value in the story, how to beat him and lost. Gaara instantly discovered and countered him. Oonoki would've defeated Gengetsu there if his back hadn't given out on him. And once revealing his secret weapon, Gaara dispatched in in one/two chapters. He provided almost no challenge for Gaara.

 

[L o g i a]

So you're still not answering me, but working around my statements.

Gengetsu told fodder, who have zero value in the story, how to beat him and lost. Gaara instantly discovered and countered him. Oonoki would've defeated Gengetsu there if his back hadn't given out on him. And once revealing his secret weapon, Gaara dispatched in in one/two chapters. He provided almost no challenge for Gaara.

please re-read that fight

Gengetsu was talking about how weak Gaara was... Gaara was getting royally screwed. Doesn't matter who Gengetsu told, fact is he told everyone how to beat him and they still couldnt.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

please re-read that fight

Gengetsu was talking about how weak Gaara was... Gaara was getting royally screwed. Doesn't matter who Gengetsu told, fact is he told everyone how to beat him and they still couldnt.

Gaara's sand is slowly being destroyed by the mixture of oil and water that makes up Gengetsu's liquid form.
Gaara's secretly finding the clam.
Gaara tells Oonoki and has it destroyed.

Joki-Boi attacks Gaara, does at best passing injuries before being defeated by a quick maneuver courtesy of Gaara. Trollkage is defeated.

He told fodder how to beat him. Fodder do not matter because they are only drawn to lose and hype up a character, not to be credible.