General & Others Understanding that some things are exclusive to Luffy and Zoro in the Strawhat crew.

#43
Sanji has a lot going for him. People sell him short when they see him purely in relation to Zoro. It’s a trap a lot of Sanji fans seem to fall into. Sanji’s worth does not come from how closely he scales to another character.
They love the character for the wrong reason imo.
That is to say, some love sanji most for his strength since pre-TS, and have turned sour given his performance post-TS.
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What part of Worst generation vs Emperors don't you understand?.........or are you just willfully ignorant.
Oh right. I thought Sanji is also part of the worst generations.
Oh wait, he is not.
My bad :suresure:
 
#44
They love the character for the wrong reason imo.
That is to say, some love sanji most for his strength since pre-TS, and have turned sour given his performance post-TS.
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Oh right. I thought Sanji is also part of the worst generations.
Oh wait, he is not.
My bad :suresure:
Ya.......because of bounty....which now has surpassed most of the WG members. nice argument.
 
#45
Didn’t people say the same thing about jimbe??
And look what is happening now?

The moment Yamato joins she’s automatically taking the number 4 seat
Nope. Yamato >> Sanji.
That boy needs a few power-ups to even catch Yamato.
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Ya.......because of bounty....which now has surpassed most of the WG members. nice argument.
Nope. WG has a rule that no okama can be a part of the members.
 

Dr_Professor83

Plague Doctor
#50
They love the character for the wrong reason imo.
That is to say, some love sanji most for his strength since pre-TS, and have turned sour given his performance post-TS.
Thing is, Sanji’s still been strong lol. They’re just so worried about Zoro’s strength by comparison when it’s irrelevant.

Sure Sanji got used as a slight hype tool by Vergo, and by Doffy (who still complimented his strength). But Sanji did that pre TS too. Look at Blueno on the Sea Train. Oda has always used Sanji as a hype tool at times because Oda thinks he’s strong enough for it to make the villains impressive. But when it’s time for his real arc 1v1 fights he’s still always delivered.

Sanji even in WCI displayed some serious feats like when he speed blitzed Oven so bad that to this day Oven still thinks Pound rocked his shit. And Im expecting him to ultimately look very good in the Queen fight (don’t let me down Oda).

Basically I’m saying even if you like Sanji for being strong there’s no reason to stress about his comparison to Zoro. Sanji strength only starts feeling unimpressive if you try to scale to Zoro.

I would take Sanji over any SN that wasn’t on that roof.
 
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#51
Outperform the ones that no one rlly cares about. I want to see him trying to outperform the important Supernovas.
Changing the goal post won't do you any good but he will outperform everyone not named Luffy, Kidd, Law and Zoro. But by defeating Queen and Zoro most likely defeating King Sanji will have a close portrayal not equal, Zoro is obviously still more impressive but not too far off. Besides we don't know what else Sanji may due post Queen fight since he obviously won't be out of the arc.
 
#53
Luffy bounty= 1.5B
Zoro bounty= 320M
Sanji bounty= 330M

Luffy fights: 4000 Doriki opponent and Crocodile (Warlord)
Zoro fights: 2200 Doriki opponent and Mr.1
Sanji fights: 2180 Doriki opponent and Mr. 2

Luffy EL powerup: Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd
Zoro EL powerup: Ashura
Sanji EL powerup: Diable Jambe

Luffy powerups: Gear 4, Kings Haki, Future sight(WCI), Advanced Armament(Wano) and Advanced Kings(Wano)......( possibly another powerup in Wano soon)
Zoro powerups: Enma(Wano) and Kings Haki(Wano)
Sanji powerups: Raid suit(Wano) (soon another powerup in Wano)

Luffy fights: Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri and Kaido
Zoro fights: Pica, Killer and King
Sanji fights: Page one, X-drake and Queen

Try to ostracize Sanji from the other two but you are arguing against the author, the only thing grouping Luffy and Zoro together is the WG title but beyond that it's clear which two are grouped together. When Oda draws Rayleigh and Gaban side by side being called Rogers two best and then a panel of them raising their arms leading the charge equally against the WB pirates I don't know about you but that shows a grouping. Besides Luffy isn't Roger and his crew dynamic can be different but with the existence of the metal naming in Rogers crew its clear that this is just a case of not knowing enough about Gaban yet that it feels like he was a third wheel but if Oda wanted to highlight Roger and Rayleigh as a duo he could have easily kept it at Gold and Silver......but he didn't....and that's the point. Rayleigh's official role in the crew was that of a Vice captain, Zoros is combatant and those are not the same. We see BOTH Zoro and Sanji being the two highlighted as the last lines of defense when the captain is down, carrying the crew on their shoulders until Luffy returns.....it seems to me that this is a clear depiction equal power and authority between Zoro and Sanji, think about it like this, couldn't Luffy back at Sabaody easily have told Zoro to take Sanji and the crew under his lead?......but he didn't, rather told BOTH Sanji and Zoro to lead their own groups......this is how Luffy views them which means that's how Oda views them. No duo in the entirety of this manga is as highlighted as Zoro and Sanji.....and there is a reason for that, screaming GAGS GAGS will only take you so far until you reach Thriller Bark and you watch as ONLY Zoro and Sanji are left to defend their crew and captain.....but why Oda?....why have Sanji there as well?.......ever ask yourselves why Oda sat down and wrote Sanji in that scene........or was it secretly a gag scene?. Remember that for every Zoro and Luffy panel you can post, someone can post 5 Zoro and Sanji panels...and that means something.
For your pathetic record clown, Sanji got 2 free bounty inceases because he's Judges son while Zoro didn't get any.
Zoro powerups : CoA upgrade, CoC, Enma, soon Nidai, soon eye
Zoro fought in Wano alone : Hawkins, Killer, Apoo, Big Mom, Kaido
Doriki arguments is trash since you dont undestand that doriki doesnt take into consideration the swordsmanship of kaku it just means kaku can beat jabra without swords, cry now.
 
#54
For your pathetic record clown, Sanji got 2 free bounty inceases because he's Judges son while Zoro didn't get any.
Zoro powerups : CoA upgrade, CoC, Enma, soon Nidai, soon eye
Zoro fought in Wano alone : Hawkins, Killer, Apoo, Big Mom, Kaido
Doriki arguments is trash since you dont undestand that doriki doesnt take into consideration the swordsmanship of kaku it just means kaku can beat jabra without swords, cry now.
A bit harsh but nonetheless very true :myman:
 
#55
Luffy bounty= 1.5B
Zoro bounty= 320M
Sanji bounty= 330M

Luffy fights: 4000 Doriki opponent and Crocodile (Warlord)
Zoro fights: 2200 Doriki opponent and Mr.1
Sanji fights: 2180 Doriki opponent and Mr. 2

Luffy EL powerup: Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd
Zoro EL powerup: Ashura
Sanji EL powerup: Diable Jambe

Luffy powerups: Gear 4, Kings Haki, Future sight(WCI), Advanced Armament(Wano) and Advanced Kings(Wano)......( possibly another powerup in Wano soon)
Zoro powerups: Enma(Wano) and Kings Haki(Wano)
Sanji powerups: Raid suit(Wano) (soon another powerup in Wano)

Luffy fights: Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri and Kaido
Zoro fights: Pica, Killer and King
Sanji fights: Page one, X-drake and Queen

Try to ostracize Sanji from the other two but you are arguing against the author, the only thing grouping Luffy and Zoro together is the WG title but beyond that it's clear which two are grouped together. When Oda draws Rayleigh and Gaban side by side being called Rogers two best and then a panel of them raising their arms leading the charge equally against the WB pirates I don't know about you but that shows a grouping. Besides Luffy isn't Roger and his crew dynamic can be different but with the existence of the metal naming in Rogers crew its clear that this is just a case of not knowing enough about Gaban yet that it feels like he was a third wheel but if Oda wanted to highlight Roger and Rayleigh as a duo he could have easily kept it at Gold and Silver......but he didn't....and that's the point. Rayleigh's official role in the crew was that of a Vice captain, Zoros is combatant and those are not the same. We see BOTH Zoro and Sanji being the two highlighted as the last lines of defense when the captain is down, carrying the crew on their shoulders until Luffy returns.....it seems to me that this is a clear depiction equal power and authority between Zoro and Sanji, think about it like this, couldn't Luffy back at Sabaody easily have told Zoro to take Sanji and the crew under his lead?......but he didn't, rather told BOTH Sanji and Zoro to lead their own groups......this is how Luffy views them which means that's how Oda views them. No duo in the entirety of this manga is as highlighted as Zoro and Sanji.....and there is a reason for that, screaming GAGS GAGS will only take you so far until you reach Thriller Bark and you watch as ONLY Zoro and Sanji are left to defend their crew and captain.....but why Oda?....why have Sanji there as well?.......ever ask yourselves why Oda sat down and wrote Sanji in that scene........or was it secretly a gag scene?. Remember that for every Zoro and Luffy panel you can post, someone can post 5 Zoro and Sanji panels...and that means something.
this is literally prooving why sanji is not major fighter and reason he don't get coc ever also why he is not same league as Captain-Vice Captain
well written man :cheers:

Also add this -
  • Luffy , Zoro fought with World strongest 2 Pirates Together
  • Sanji fighting with YC3 level Extrm Diff as his main oppenent (queen the man who didn't even gave 0% damage to Bigmom. )
  • Queen <<< Killer. now oda things getting seroesluy. rooftop feats are different level who fought with 2 yonko at once you cant understimate that never.

This sanji gap is so fucking huge :steef:
 
#56
For your pathetic record clown, Sanji got 2 free bounty inceases because he's Judges son while Zoro didn't get any.
Zoro powerups : CoA upgrade, CoC, Enma, soon Nidai, soon eye
Zoro fought in Wano alone : Hawkins, Killer, Apoo, Big Mom, Kaido
Doriki arguments is trash since you dont undestand that doriki doesnt take into consideration the swordsmanship of kaku it just means kaku can beat jabra without swords, cry now.
Socrates said 'When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers".......now i'm not the biggest Socrates fan.....but dear God does this apply here.
 
#58
For your pathetic record clown, Sanji got 2 free bounty inceases because he's Judges son while Zoro didn't get any.
Zoro powerups : CoA upgrade, CoC, Enma, soon Nidai, soon eye
Zoro fought in Wano alone : Hawkins, Killer, Apoo, Big Mom, Kaido
Doriki arguments is trash since you dont undestand that doriki doesnt take into consideration the swordsmanship of kaku it just means kaku can beat jabra without swords, cry now.
when sanji gets a higher bounty then zoro its a gag but its not vice versa lol how is dororki argument trash swordsmanship is part of doroki
 
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