Questions & Mysteries What exactly was stopping the marines fr om shitstomping Big Mom and Kaido?

#21
Since they clearly had 5/6 yonko levels with mihawk they should have been able to invade onigashima and tottaland and stomp the yonko and get the 2 road ponegraphs and prevent any future pirate from getting OP
Because they’re not just stopping a pirate king from being born they’re patrolling literally the whole world and protecting the celestial dragons.

If they mobilized their entire army and led a single attack on Wano, they leave mariejoa and the world unprotected. They can’t do that

Add in the fact that the warlords being grouped together just to hold back an emperor was hard enough no way they’d agree to go invade one
 
#24
Since they clearly had 5/6 yonko levels with mihawk they should have been able to invade onigashima and tottaland and stomp the yonko and get the 2 road ponegraphs and prevent any future pirate from getting OP
We've literally been told why they're not doing anything about Wano right now:


WHY?

Reason #1:

Reason #2:



Reason #3:



Reason #4:






-> Escorting nobles all around the world, lol they're literally using somebody like Garp to escort the fishmen.
-> Sending fleets after the Warlords
-> Putting in massive resources in w.e happened with Alabasta
-> Doing something with w.e has Teach interested as well


All of their big forces are occupied, for them to prioritize an isolated Island which isn't under World Government jurisdiction. With that said though, Sakazuki might change his mind due to Sengoku's words to him in 957 and thus they might send the SSG with the marines like Smoker/Sentomaru/Tashigi who're with Vegapunk at the moment, since other Marine forces are busy.



Simply reading chapter 956, should've answered your question.. but guess we can't bait/troll/character hate without being ignorant on purpose.
 
#25
We've literally been told why they're not doing anything about Wano right now:


WHY?

Reason #1:

Reason #2:



Reason #3:



Reason #4:






-> Escorting nobles all around the world, lol they're literally using somebody like Garp to escort the fishmen.
-> Sending fleets after the Warlords
-> Putting in massive resources in w.e happened with Alabasta
-> Doing something with w.e has Teach interested as well


All of their big forces are occupied, for them to prioritize an isolated Island which isn't under World Government jurisdiction. With that said though, Sakazuki might change his mind due to Sengoku's words to him in 957 and thus they might send the SSG with the marines like Smoker/Sentomaru/Tashigi who're with Vegapunk at the moment, since other Marine forces are busy.



Simply reading chapter 956, should've answered your question.. but guess we can't bait/troll/character hate without being ignorant on purpose.
Right, but I meant BEFORE the REVERIE.

What was stopping them when they had the full power of the warlords, and Garp and 3 admirals?
 
#27
Right, but I meant BEFORE the REVERIE.

What was stopping them when they had the full power of the warlords, and Garp and 3 admirals?
Pre-TS:

Multiple things, the issue of taking down an emperor on it's own is not an issue for them per say in a vacuum. However, the issue arises when you talk about it being in the One Piece world itself.

When they took down Whitebeard, did they have any issue? Nope. Hell Whitebeard pirates would've been slaughtered to the last man, without a single major marine dying (no VA or Admiral would've died, not even relevant Captains like Tashigi). However, they did have issues after Whitebeard got taken down, to a point where they didn't even have any relevant Marines stationed at Marine HQ. Even in East Blue things were getting riled up with Luffy's village being attacked by pirates and so on.



This was so bad to a point that they didn't even have the forces available to go after Whitebeard's territories, which allowed the likes of Blackbeard to gain them.


Now imagine taking down two Yonko, the amount of shit storm it would cause around the world would've left the Marines the way they were after WB got taken down, completely defenseless. Because remember it's not like they can instant teleport everywhere, this is still taking days to weeks to go from Island to Island, enough time for pirates to escape and go do damage somewhere else, so on and so forth. (Travel time is a huge restriction, when you have to monitor the entire world).



#2. The Gorosei. Marines can't take on the Yonko even if they wanted to without getting O.K from the the Gorosei. The Gorosei who want to keep this charade up, where the Yonko eliminate the weaker pirates, instead of them having to do it themselves. Simply look at how many pirates the Yonko have taken care of. Why would the Gorosei want to disrupt that and make it more chaotic? They don't have any reason to. Sure they want to prevent people from knowing about the History and becoming the Pirate King. They know the Yonko aren't a threat to a point, where they're making deals with the Yonko.

-> Using Doflamingo to make deals with Kaido, which now got taken over by the CP0
-> Literally having a meeting with another Yonko in Shanks. What was their attitude to a Yonko being in there with them?? Casual, continuing to read their newspapers. Instead it was the Yonko who was thanking them for their time, unlike his Marineford self where he came in cocky saying he arrived to end the war.



They don't have the numbers to subjugate Yonko territories completely while also keeping their own territories safe throughout the entire world.


Post-TS:

This is where you could possibly question that Marines have the power to do all of that, but haven't they done so? They're far stronger than they have ever been in their history, they're more determined than ever before... They two new powerhouses, GB & PT. But issue post-TS isn't about power, it's about time and availability.


It's been less than 2 years since the Marines switched leadership, and did their military draft (probably a year or so at best since the Draft). So it's not like they had fuck ton of time to think about invading Kaido & Big Mom. And by the time they're all set, it was time for reverie, meaning they can't make major moves that'd disrupt the seas putting the royals of the world at danger, considering they're dedicating multiple ships to their safety already and we're already seen people trying to attack the royals.

Then after the reverie we have multiple things taking place. With only option left being the SSG.
 
#29
Because even if they win against 1 or 2 yonkos the WG will be weakened enough for the other 2 to take over , that's how the world balance works , no one attack each other because the non fighting parties will grab the spoils of whoever is left
 
#30
Because even if they win against 1 or 2 yonkos the WG will be weakened enough for the other 2 to take over , that's how the world balance works , no one attack each other because the non fighting parties will grab the spoils of whoever is left
But I thought the WG had 5 yonko tier people with Mihawk
 
#31
But I thought the WG had 5 yonko tier people with Mihawk
i don't think each admiral is Yonko level , i would scale them roughly 70% of a Yonko , Mihawk is the only Yonko level they have with the exception of maybe Akainu that i would scale 90% Yonko level.

So if they just invaded all the Yonkos at once there is a pretty good chance they would loose , also you are forgetting about the revolutonaries wich would definitely make a move in that situation
 
#32
i don't think each admiral is Yonko level , i would scale them roughly 70% of a Yonko , Mihawk is the only Yonko level they have with the exception of maybe Akainu that i would scale 90% Yonko level.

So if they just invaded all the Yonkos at once there is a pretty good chance they would loose , also you are forgetting about the revolutonaries wich would definitely make a move in that situation
The revolutionaries are countered by cp0 and the armies of countries.
 
#34
Since they clearly had 5/6 yonko levels with mihawk they should have been able to invade onigashima and tottaland and stomp the yonko and get the 2 road ponegraphs and prevent any future pirate from getting OP
The cost it would take to defeat them, lives of soldiers, balance of the world, Big Mom and Kaidos crew, their allies.

Lets say C3 and Mihawk invade BMP Kaido gets defeated by Mihawk and Big Mom by Akainu, they still have 3 Calamities and 4 sweet commanders to fight, they still have allies.

A lot of lives would be lost.
Marines don't like to have casualties like that, they weren't even trying to get that heat with Rayleigh.
 
#39
They where struggling against WB Pirates alone and when a second Emperor showed up they know they were unable to deal with two of them, imagine trying to invade Wano against two Emperors in enemy territory, not would they have to let basically all main bases unprotected to be attacked by a third party, but they would also take heavy loses in the War.

Dont see where the Marines have 6 characters as strong as a Emperor, if they had i would be easy to deal with WB, they have like 3 Sengoku/Garp/Akainu and pehaps Aokiji, Kizaru clearly is stronger than a First Commander, but not as strong as a Emperor, much like what Fujitora have show in Dressrosa. And Mihawk, lol, he was unable even to cut Jozu, and was hold by Crocodile, he himself say that there was a gap in his and WB power, he closer to First mate than to Emperor.
 

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#40
This^

I think though that Akainu/Marines isn't really aware of CP0 going to Wano. And they aren't really going there to fight Yonko. CP0 will only take Wano if Kaido is defeated and they will try to snatch Robin no matter what happens. In case Kaido isn't defeated, they will snatch Robin and avoid direct confrontation.
I think so too.

It's far fetched to think of Akainu changing his mind for now, so I don't expect Marines to at least venture into the seas surrounding Wano. And since the Government is aware of that perhaps they left them behind or tried to convince Akainu to have them join but I doubt he would change his mind. 🤔
 
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