General & Others What is your most regrettable thing that happened or should have happen in Marineford war?

[dirtyLarry]

He didn't hide the powers though, he just didn't show the battles. I think the arc is fine actually in hindsight, and will be better for it once we see everything in the future

Not really.
It has already aged pretty badly, was just rereading it a few weeks ago.
None of the major battles had any kind of haki or advanced haki in it. That's just not realistic by the modern OP standards.

 

[Uncle Van]

I will go a different direction and actually list some of my complaints about the writing.

1) Oda didn't do the best job juggling all the different characters. Guys like Kizaru basically did nothing the entire war, which seems really unrealistic in the big picture.

2) Haki was very rare on the battlefield. I know, it just got introduced back then, but it just didn't age well in hindsight. Nowadays even battles between mid-tiers are pure haki-fests.

3) Almost no casualties outside of Ace and WB. I mean come on ... this was a full-blown war and Oda didn't have the balls to kill off any other minor characters. Just a few more would've been enough to show the drama and brutality of this war. As it stands right now, Ace and WB being the only deaths is a bit cringeworthy if you look at it realistically.

I agree with you, that Marineford is vastly overhyped btw.

I rate several other OP arcs way higher (Jaya/Skypiea, Water7/Enies Lobby, Sabaody, Impel Down).

The PIS to continue to story is what really bothered me. Led to lots of inconsistent characterization.

-Akainu aimed at WB's chest when he had the heart attack instead of his head and just left so fodder can attack WB instead
-Akainu removed half of WB's head instead of tossing one of those a quick giant fists like before and killing WB. Even against the WB commander, Akainu cause a giant magma explosion
-Kizaru just leaving Marco after blasting him with the seastone
-Kizaru shotting the key out of Luffy's hand instead of shotting him in the head
-Kizaru kicking a vulnerable Luffy to WB instead of killing him.
-Kizaru being very accurate but always aiming for the chest instead of the head as seen with Luffy, WB and Marco. Even with Oars Kizaru said you gotta aim for the head sometimes.

 

[dirtyLarry]

The PIS to continue to story is what really bothered me. Led to lots of inconsistent characterization.

-Akainu aimed at WB's chest when he had the heart attack instead of his head and just left so fodder can attack WB instead
-Akainu removed half of WB's head instead of tossing one of those a quick giant fists like before and killing WB. Even against the WB commander, Akainu cause a giant magma explosion
-Kizaru just leaving Marco after blasting him with the seastone
-Kizaru shotting the key out of Luffy's hand instead of shotting him in the head
-Kizaru kicking a vulnerable Luffy to WB instead of killing him.
-Kizaru being very accurate but always aiming for the chest instead of the head as seen with Luffy, WB and Marco. Even with Oars Kizaru said you gotta aim for the head sometimes.

Yeah, that was just ... ugh.

This is why I bring up HxH so often, when talking about shonen.

Very little PIS.

One example: When the main antagonists really face their mortal enemies and are in rage mode, they just don't let the villain live, because "his dreams are shattered" or something like that. They actually go for the killing blow (Kurapika vs Uvogin, Gon vs Pitou, Netero vs Meruem etc.). Much more plausible.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Not really.
It has already aged pretty badly, was just rereading it a few weeks ago.
None of the major battles had any kind of haki or advanced haki in it. That's just not realistic by the modern OP standards.

I mean, you are entirely reading an arc in retrospect. At the time, Marineford was the biggest thing ever and Oda has specified that it was a side event (to essentially set up the next portion of the story). Haki barely was a concept, especially the visual ques.

You really can't blame it for being what it is. If you got what you wanted and Oda spent another 50 chapters of pure fighting with top tiers in the arc, the rest of the manga would have been boring in terms of anticipating how strong these chsracters actually are. The hype behind Kaido's strength would have been lackluster, because you would have already known the extent of how strong many of these characters in Marineford. The admirals would have been heavily dehyped, and tbh im surprised Oda gave us as much as he did with Akainu vs. Whitebeard.

 

[dirtyLarry]

I mean, you are entirely reading an arc in retrospect. At the time, Marineford was the biggest thing ever and Oda has specified that it was a side event (to essentially set up the next portion of the story). Haki barely was a concept, especially the visual ques.

You really can't blame it for being what it is. If you got what you wanted and Oda spent another 50 chapters of pure fighting with top tiers in the arc, the rest of the manga would have been boring in terms of anticipating how strong these chsracters actually are. The hype behind Kaido's strength would have been lackluster, because you would have already known the extent of how strong many of these characters in Marineford. The admirals would have been heavily dehyped, and tbh im surprised Oda gave us as much as he did with Akainu vs. Whitebeard.

It might have been a huge arc for the public, yes, but I couldn't give a shit about it, when the writing isn't superb.

Like I and @Van have pointed out: It had many writing problems that went from PIS over general handling of the characters to consistency issues with later parts of the series.

 

[Balen]

I will go a different direction and actually list some of my complaints about the writing.

1) Oda didn't do the best job juggling all the different characters. Guys like Kizaru basically did nothing the entire war, which seems really unrealistic in the big picture.

2) Haki was very rare on the battlefield. I know, it just got introduced back then, but it just didn't age well in hindsight. Nowadays even battles between mid-tiers are pure haki-fests.

3) Almost no casualties outside of Ace and WB. I mean come on ... this was a full-blown war and Oda didn't have the balls to kill off any other minor characters. Just a few more would've been enough to show the drama and brutality of this war. As it stands right now, Ace and WB being the only deaths is a bit cringeworthy if you look at it realistically.

I agree with you, that Marineford is vastly overhyped btw.

I rate several other OP arcs way higher (Jaya/Skypiea, Water7/Enies Lobby, Sabaody, Impel Down).

Akainu got his internals turned into a pasta and he was still fine

 

[Zara]

Don’t see the issue with Ace falling for Akainu’s taunt. Ace needed to die otherwise Luffy wouldn’t become Pirate King.

 

[Senfret]

Not really.
It has already aged pretty badly, was just rereading it a few weeks ago.
None of the major battles had any kind of haki or advanced haki in it. That's just not realistic by the modern OP standards.

Akainu used FS like Katakuri to avoid Marco and Vista haki slashes

 

[Ganja userr]

Ace getting up with Akainu's word's

Squadro stabbing whiteheard.

 

[Fuckthis3]

Ace getting up with Akainu's word's

Thatch stabbing whiteheard.

You mean Squardo stabing whitebeard? Lol

 

[Ganja userr]

You mean Squardo stabing whitebeard? Lol

Thanks lol

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Whitebeard should've use his Haki in Marineford lolThe second scenario would be the Revolutionary Army coming to Marineford to save Ace lol

 

[sanjikun]

Ace ruining the entire war over a "Yo Momma" joke.

Sorry, a "Yo Daddy" joke.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Ace ruining the entire war over a "Yo Momma" joke.

Sorry, a "Yo Daddy" joke.

Nailed it

 

[garciajulieen]

Garp did almost nothing beside punching Marco once and being a grandpa to Luffy.

 

[Rosella.Fiamingo]

Too many top tiers and big names with not enough panel time to do them all justice. He should have stuck to just 2 Admirals, have Sengoku and Garp remain elsewhere giving out orders. Have only a few of the Warlords show up. Reducing the number of big names would have let most of them get good shine and show off what they can really do. With so many top tiers, Oda has to compensate with too many moments of PIS. And yes, MF is overrated. IMO It's actually the turning point of where OP becomes Mid Piece