Questions & Mysteries What makes Saint Shanks > Mihawk?
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lol ... as I said long time ago if Oda wanted to honer WSS title he had Roger to play ...
a man who dare overwrite story and call Roger WSS while Eiichiro Oda didn't shouldn't really DARE to talk about headcanon
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I'm not saying Mihawk lost a "race"
I'm saying in real life ... he is no match to Saint Shanks ...
he can never create a danger to Saint Shanks , have a bigger name than him or be more important than him in any real way
and Oda made THIS man above Saint Shanks in personal power ?
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lol ....
warlords respect Saint Shanks and some are friend with him
Gorosei respect Saint Shanks
Marine elite like Sengoku respect Saint Shanks
Worst Gen respect Saint Shanks and some are friend with him
ex-Yonko crew respect Saint Shanks and some are friend with him
legends of past respect Saint Shanks and some are friend with him
bar RA ... Saint Shanks have good relationships with almost all of groups in one piece world
and this is a power Mihawk was referring to ...
and sure .... no respect among the two exist .... what a sad joke
thanks for reminding me why you are on my ignore list
cause you are not able to even be a bit fair or even read manga like others
you just care about wanking Zoro .... poor poor Mihawk ... he don't even have fans ....
he just have vultures who want transfer his hype to Zoro :cheers:
get yourself a fucking education so you don't embrace yourself like this ever again
but I doubt you can do either of them
Roger ~ Prime Beard > any one who ever lived in this era
is a fucking fact at this point
your dick can't agree with it? beat it until it can
make sense? don't ask him hard questions ... all Mihawk boy are NOTHING but sad deniers
first Saint Shanks now Roger himself
they have no shame
a man who dare overwrite story and call Roger WSS while Eiichiro Oda didn't shouldn't really DARE to talk about headcanon
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I'm not saying Mihawk lost a "race"
I'm saying in real life ... he is no match to Saint Shanks ...
he can never create a danger to Saint Shanks , have a bigger name than him or be more important than him in any real way
and Oda made THIS man above Saint Shanks in personal power ?
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lol ....
warlords respect Saint Shanks and some are friend with him
Gorosei respect Saint Shanks
Marine elite like Sengoku respect Saint Shanks
Worst Gen respect Saint Shanks and some are friend with him
ex-Yonko crew respect Saint Shanks and some are friend with him
legends of past respect Saint Shanks and some are friend with him
bar RA ... Saint Shanks have good relationships with almost all of groups in one piece world
and this is a power Mihawk was referring to ...
and sure .... no respect among the two exist .... what a sad joke
thanks for reminding me why you are on my ignore list
cause you are not able to even be a bit fair or even read manga like others
you just care about wanking Zoro .... poor poor Mihawk ... he don't even have fans ....
he just have vultures who want transfer his hype to Zoro :cheers:
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get yourself a fucking education so you don't embrace yourself like this ever again
but I doubt you can do either of them
Roger ~ Prime Beard > any one who ever lived in this era
is a fucking fact at this point
your dick can't agree with it? beat it until it can
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make sense? don't ask him hard questions ... all Mihawk boy are NOTHING but sad deniers
first Saint Shanks now Roger himself
they have no shame
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You just described Mihawk with that line... What's the difference?
And as I said long ago, there is no need for Oda to list 50 characters who have been WSS in last couple of hundred of years. He honored Roger by giving him the PK title and kept WSS unique for Mihawk and Zoro.
A man who has a brain and knows how to use it says that there was no superior swordsman to Roger in his era.
He and Mihawk already fought in 1vs1 so yes, he can create a danger to Saint Shanks because the crew and allies dont help in 1vs1.
Doesnt need to have a bigger name than him when he has strength title over him.
Having to fight one of the MCs vs not fighting against one of the MCs... Sounds like Mihawk is more important in a real way.
Yes, Oda literally made that man above Saint Shanks in personal power. Literally did it in front of your eyes.
Yes, Saint Shanks is a respectable pirate. You still failed to provide galaxy level of respect coming from Mihawk.
No, Mihawk referred to Luffy's power. Also, Mihawk said this:
Sorry Saint RedHair but this power knows no restraint, it is going to fuck your golden boy up, unless the fate saves him.
He wanted to kill the boy on who Saint Shanks puts his hopes on, very respectable indeed.
I have never been on your ignore list, you love me too much because you know I am one of the few who let's you know the difference between reality and fantasy. I am as fair as it gets in OP community. You only care about saving Saint Shanks' face...
And as I said long ago, there is no need for Oda to list 50 characters who have been WSS in last couple of hundred of years. He honored Roger by giving him the PK title and kept WSS unique for Mihawk and Zoro.
A man who has a brain and knows how to use it says that there was no superior swordsman to Roger in his era.
I'm not saying Mihawk lost a "race"
I'm saying in real life ... he is no match to Saint Shanks ...
he can never create a danger to Saint Shanks , have a bigger name than him or be more important than him in any real way
and Oda made THIS man above Saint Shanks in personal power ?
I'm saying in real life ... he is no match to Saint Shanks ...
he can never create a danger to Saint Shanks , have a bigger name than him or be more important than him in any real way
and Oda made THIS man above Saint Shanks in personal power ?
Doesnt need to have a bigger name than him when he has strength title over him.
Having to fight one of the MCs vs not fighting against one of the MCs... Sounds like Mihawk is more important in a real way.
Yes, Oda literally made that man above Saint Shanks in personal power. Literally did it in front of your eyes.
Yes, Saint Shanks is a respectable pirate. You still failed to provide galaxy level of respect coming from Mihawk.
No, Mihawk referred to Luffy's power. Also, Mihawk said this:
Sorry Saint RedHair but this power knows no restraint, it is going to fuck your golden boy up, unless the fate saves him.
He wanted to kill the boy on who Saint Shanks puts his hopes on, very respectable indeed.
I have never been on your ignore list, you love me too much because you know I am one of the few who let's you know the difference between reality and fantasy. I am as fair as it gets in OP community. You only care about saving Saint Shanks' face...
Its really not....Roger/Whitebeard/Kaido/Big Mom have been featured way more in the story so far and gave been constantly referred to regarding their feats, way more than Mihawk ever has so far. And that's fine. These are mostly comparators to Luffy, not Zoro.
In fact, while I dont think it means anything, Marineford actually put Mihawk down because he:
- Questioned how much stronger Whitebeard was compared to him and the others.
- Then his attack was blocked by Joz, essentially Oda's way of saying "he's beyond your reach"
- Tussled with Vista and didn't defeat him (who didn't have Black blades btw; they probably are friends)
- Was constantly compared and referred to as "equals" to the other Shichubukai in presentation (this is Oda's fault due to extremely varied power scaling of the Shichibukai)
- Refused to fight Saint Shanks when he arrived (likely because he probably does consider him an ally/friend, yes)
I understand that Mihawk probably wasn't even trying, considering his casual slice of the frozen tidal wave, but this entirely goes against your point about Mihawk being "hyped" or portrayed to be more impressive than the other top pirates in the game.
The 4 Yonko and Roger/Rayleigh have been hyped beyond belief in this manga, Mihawk not so much in comparison, primarily because he lacks the screentime most of them have had
There is a difference. Does Big Mom always use Napoleon? Does Whitebeard always use his Bisento? No right?
Haki mastery over your primary weapon IS the fundamental difference. I dont expect Mihawk to be able to punch mountains with his monstrous haki. I expect him to slice it and then some.
This is why I say Saint Shanks and Mihawk are incomparible as of now. It comes down to whether or not you believe Saint Shanks fights with more than just his sword, and I personally do. We will never see eye to eye on this unless you accept that as a possibility
In fact, while I dont think it means anything, Marineford actually put Mihawk down because he:
- Questioned how much stronger Whitebeard was compared to him and the others.
- Then his attack was blocked by Joz, essentially Oda's way of saying "he's beyond your reach"
- Tussled with Vista and didn't defeat him (who didn't have Black blades btw; they probably are friends)
- Was constantly compared and referred to as "equals" to the other Shichubukai in presentation (this is Oda's fault due to extremely varied power scaling of the Shichibukai)
- Refused to fight Saint Shanks when he arrived (likely because he probably does consider him an ally/friend, yes)
I understand that Mihawk probably wasn't even trying, considering his casual slice of the frozen tidal wave, but this entirely goes against your point about Mihawk being "hyped" or portrayed to be more impressive than the other top pirates in the game.
The 4 Yonko and Roger/Rayleigh have been hyped beyond belief in this manga, Mihawk not so much in comparison, primarily because he lacks the screentime most of them have had
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There is a difference. Does Big Mom always use Napoleon? Does Whitebeard always use his Bisento? No right?
Haki mastery over your primary weapon IS the fundamental difference. I dont expect Mihawk to be able to punch mountains with his monstrous haki. I expect him to slice it and then some.
This is why I say Saint Shanks and Mihawk are incomparible as of now. It comes down to whether or not you believe Saint Shanks fights with more than just his sword, and I personally do. We will never see eye to eye on this unless you accept that as a possibility
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Listen, if you very plainly believe the following, you would entirely belive Saint Shanks isn't "just" a swordsman.
- Mihawk is Zoro's last battle (after King/Fuji/Monk Gorosei/Shiryu/whatever)
- Mihawk, after losing his Shichibukai title, has no more autonomy in the world. With the Final War likely starting, he will probably ally with someone, not randomly float around the world for all eternity. Narration would dictate he gets put somewhere in the story with some group. He's not just going to randomly show up at the EoS and say to Zoro "fight me". A good story will have him be set up for it in the final conflict. I feel like everybody should understand this.
- Consequently, Mihawks only known relationship with another pirate is Saint Shanks, a pirate who outside of himself, does not seem to have an actual sword user in his crew.
- If Zoro's last fight is against Mihawk, a pirate who may be allied or closely associated with Saint Shanks post-Wano, then is it remotely hard to believe that Saint Shanks would then also be Luffy's final fight (assuming Saint Shanks has ulterior motives in the series of course and he not as "good" as one thinks)?
- Which means if Luffy fights Saint Shanks, he likely will NOT be confined to just using Gryphon.
Just some logic applied to something like this if you understand the characters and Luffys full on intent to physically fight Saint Shanks (no Davy back fight BS) and Saint Shanks having a huge aura of mystery around him.
- Mihawk is Zoro's last battle (after King/Fuji/Monk Gorosei/Shiryu/whatever)
- Mihawk, after losing his Shichibukai title, has no more autonomy in the world. With the Final War likely starting, he will probably ally with someone, not randomly float around the world for all eternity. Narration would dictate he gets put somewhere in the story with some group. He's not just going to randomly show up at the EoS and say to Zoro "fight me". A good story will have him be set up for it in the final conflict. I feel like everybody should understand this.
- Consequently, Mihawks only known relationship with another pirate is Saint Shanks, a pirate who outside of himself, does not seem to have an actual sword user in his crew.
- If Zoro's last fight is against Mihawk, a pirate who may be allied or closely associated with Saint Shanks post-Wano, then is it remotely hard to believe that Saint Shanks would then also be Luffy's final fight (assuming Saint Shanks has ulterior motives in the series of course and he not as "good" as one thinks)?
- Which means if Luffy fights Saint Shanks, he likely will NOT be confined to just using Gryphon.
Just some logic applied to something like this if you understand the characters and Luffys full on intent to physically fight Saint Shanks (no Davy back fight BS) and Saint Shanks having a huge aura of mystery around him.
Being capable to turn his sword permanently black whereas the other two failed for all we can say.
This suggests greater CoA haki.
We have no news about the other stats.
Regardless of that, Whitebeard was WSM before Mihawk came into dominance and no more WSM while Mihawk was WSS. So we don't know how Mihawk compares in the old era, since he wasn't a thing yet.
This suggests greater CoA haki.
We have no news about the other stats.
Regardless of that, Whitebeard was WSM before Mihawk came into dominance and no more WSM while Mihawk was WSS. So we don't know how Mihawk compares in the old era, since he wasn't a thing yet.
That's backwards logic man. We've had this discussion before, its not black and white.
Combat ability does not equal swordsmanship. The finesse isn't there. Saint Shanks can be a worse "swordsman" but the stronger pirate. And even so, Im not saying Saint Shanks is stronger, but you can take obvious examples like Whitebeard and Big Mom, who completely use other forms of combat even though they are "swordsmen".
Then clearly you are too blind to see the logic then. I guess Whitebeard and Big Mom are swordsmen exclusively and are clearly inferior to Mihawk due to your blind fanboyism.
Can't save them all
Combat ability does not equal swordsmanship. The finesse isn't there. Saint Shanks can be a worse "swordsman" but the stronger pirate. And even so, Im not saying Saint Shanks is stronger, but you can take obvious examples like Whitebeard and Big Mom, who completely use other forms of combat even though they are "swordsmen".
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Then clearly you are too blind to see the logic then. I guess Whitebeard and Big Mom are swordsmen exclusively and are clearly inferior to Mihawk due to your blind fanboyism.
Can't save them all
When an author talks of someone labeling him as "swordsman" he intends the whole individual and not just one style.
Never heard of a single fiction in which the strongest swordsman isn't also the strongest individual amongst all swordsmen independently from the other stats and quirks.
It is just that natural basically, and a point many Mihawk deniers reject.
Never heard of a single fiction in which the strongest swordsman isn't also the strongest individual amongst all swordsmen independently from the other stats and quirks.
It is just that natural basically, and a point many Mihawk deniers reject.
reasons like
1- Saint Shanks clearly have better hype ... can't be denied
2- Saint Shanks clearly have better feat ... can't be denied
3- Saint Shanks have have more importance to the story therefore more need for power .... can't be denied
4- Yonko been called Greatest and Strongest Pirates therefore no Pirates can be above them ....
5- the fact that lack of a title like "WSS" or having a "black blade" are not really something important that make Saint Shanks necessary weaker than Mihawk ... and Roger is a WALKING proof of that
Roger was all swordsman (and men) of his time and last 800 years without having any title
6- the fact that Saint Shanks himself don't accept Mihawk as his superior
and we know Saint Shanks is a humble guy ... he was willing to say WB is at the top of piracy world
if you are willing to fight a man in front of your whole crew
it means you are sure enough you won't lose
7- Mihawk himself knew the way of PK is harder than beating him
and we all know it ... the way to PK ... is YONKO
the only REAL argument Mihawk have for being above Saint Shanks is his title
but you can't ask us to trust a meaning that is unclear as fuck
- how he got it?
- how his title should put him above Saint Shanks when Saint Shanks himself disagree?!
- we know Roger wasn't WSS but he was strongest of all
and not to mention
- Mihawk don't have EVEN NEARLY GOOD ENOUGH feat to back his claim up for being above A YONKO
so
while I do acknowledge Mihawk fandom HAVE a claim ...
I don't think WSS means anything more than "better swordsman" ...
it should be a fact that he don't have enough feat to back his claim up
as I said before ....
Zoro > Sanji is a dead argument ....
Yonko > Admirals died in last few chapters and war is over ....
Saint Shanks Vs Mihawk ... is one piece fandom last greatest war
I know Saint Shanks most likely keep winning this war like now
but I respect the other side claim
but short answer is
Mihawk > Saint Shanks (with no CoC)
Saint Shanks (with CoC) > Mihawk
people who deny the upcoming power of CoC are playing with a lion made out of fire
and will suffer a bad humiliations
1- Saint Shanks clearly have better hype ... can't be denied
5- the fact that lack of a title like "WSS" or having a "black blade" are not really something important that make Saint Shanks necessary weaker than Mihawk ... and Roger is a WALKING proof of that
Roger was all swordsman (and men) of his time and last 800 years without having any title
and we know Saint Shanks is a humble guy ... he was willing to say WB is at the top of piracy world
if you are willing to fight a man in front of your whole crew
it means you are sure enough you won't lose
and we all know it ... the way to PK ... is YONKO
the only REAL argument Mihawk have for being above Saint Shanks is his title
- how he got it?
- how his title should put him above Saint Shanks when Saint Shanks himself disagree?!
- we know Roger wasn't WSS but he was strongest of all
and not to mention
- Mihawk don't have EVEN NEARLY GOOD ENOUGH feat to back his claim up for being above A YONKO
so
while I do acknowledge Mihawk fandom HAVE a claim ...
I don't think WSS means anything more than "better swordsman" ...
it should be a fact that he don't have enough feat to back his claim up
as I said before ....
Zoro > Sanji is a dead argument ....
Yonko > Admirals died in last few chapters and war is over ....
Saint Shanks Vs Mihawk ... is one piece fandom last greatest war
I know Saint Shanks most likely keep winning this war like now
but I respect the other side claim
but short answer is
Mihawk > Saint Shanks (with no CoC)
Saint Shanks (with CoC) > Mihawk
people who deny the upcoming power of CoC are playing with a lion made out of fire
and will suffer a bad humiliations
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Lol there's not some secret code to being a swordsman. This pure swordsman/true swordsman/hakiman bs is just damage control bc people can't accept the idea of whatever character being inferior to WSS, Mihawk.
Saint Shanks is a swordsman:
• he was shown to use a sword during his day's as an apprentice on Roger's ship.
• the only combat altercations we have seen him on panel have been against top tiers (Whitebeard and Akainu) and he was using a sword in both.
• he rivalled Mihawk (the current WSS)
• his sword is named (Gryphon)
He's a swordsman, and almost definitely the second strongest swordsman in the series rn. Being inferior to the World's Strongest is nothing to be ashamed of.
Saint Shanks is a swordsman:
• he was shown to use a sword during his day's as an apprentice on Roger's ship.
• the only combat altercations we have seen him on panel have been against top tiers (Whitebeard and Akainu) and he was using a sword in both.
• he rivalled Mihawk (the current WSS)
• his sword is named (Gryphon)
He's a swordsman, and almost definitely the second strongest swordsman in the series rn. Being inferior to the World's Strongest is nothing to be ashamed of.
Overall combat ability does not equal swordsmanship bruh, plain and simple. Mihawk being the strongest swordsman does not make him the strongest pirate, but by your logic, he's above Roger, who fights EXACTLY like Saint Shanks mind you.
Not once has the manga ever made mention of Roger, Rayleigh or Saint Shanks being compared to the World's Strongest Swordsman. There are 2 entirely different classes of comparisons going in right now and frankly it doesn't make sense to compare apple to an orange in this case. Its just pure, blind fanboy logic to insinuate Saint Shanks tried to become the WSS when we know NOTHING about him. Having a rivalry and duels with Mihawk implies nothing about that. Mihawk is still the strongest swordsman, Saint Shanks is still a Yonko.
Its like fucking comparing Luffy's pirate king status to Zoro's WSS status. They are 2 completely different goals
Not once has the manga ever made mention of Roger, Rayleigh or Saint Shanks being compared to the World's Strongest Swordsman. There are 2 entirely different classes of comparisons going in right now and frankly it doesn't make sense to compare apple to an orange in this case. Its just pure, blind fanboy logic to insinuate Saint Shanks tried to become the WSS when we know NOTHING about him. Having a rivalry and duels with Mihawk implies nothing about that. Mihawk is still the strongest swordsman, Saint Shanks is still a Yonko.
Its like fucking comparing Luffy's pirate king status to Zoro's WSS status. They are 2 completely different goals
You are completely ignoring the notion that if you look around you will allegedly never find a single fiction in which swordsman is not referred as a whole individual. You shall never find a distinction when it comes to power levels because when authors refer to swordsmen they refer to the whole thing, the whole men.
If an author states that one is the strongest swordsman he also is stronger than any other swordsmen, as simple as that.
Just because this is how the world of anime and not only always worked.
Your distinction implies that Oda is calling Mihawk the strongest at swordsmanship but not the strongest man who is also a swordsman, yet this never happened in fiction.
If an author states that one is the strongest swordsman he also is stronger than any other swordsmen, as simple as that.
Just because this is how the world of anime and not only always worked.
Your distinction implies that Oda is calling Mihawk the strongest at swordsmanship but not the strongest man who is also a swordsman, yet this never happened in fiction.