Future Events What Sanji vs King means to Zoro future opponent and how it all connects to Luffy vs Katakuri

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Zoro vs Kizaru and Luffy vs Akainu is bound tp happen
Both admirals nearly kill them if not for Top tiers rescuin them (Shanks and Rayleigh )
Yeah I would have bet on Issho differently but it seems he will probably deny Absolute Justice and take the side of a third party perhaps.
 
Psh, please. Luffy dog walks both of them. Zoro better call on the Father, the son and every Holy Spirit that resides in the Swords of the Ringo graveyard if he wants to stand a chance.
Man reality is even EoS Luffy with his strongest attack wouldn't even be able to do 1/10th the damage that severely nerfed 0.01% of Ashura did to Kaido.

The moment Ashura shows up Luffy loses his life. There is a reason why Oda had to use two Yonko to nerf Zoro so Kaido can save his life with only a scar and not have his torso cut in half.

Luffy on the other hand with a millionth power got neg diffed by nerfed Kaido.
 

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Luffy taking revenge on Akainu for killing Ace and almost killing him and Zoro taking revenge on Kizaru for almost killing him, plus Kizaru looks like Akainu's right hand.
I think so. I don't trust those theories of Kizaru as final Marine boss only working for his own weird justice and disobeying Akainu, actually betraying him. Sounds too far fetched for now.
 
Man reality is even EoS Luffy with his strongest attack wouldn't even be able to do 1/10th the damage that severely nerfed 0.01% of Ashura did to Kaido.

The moment Ashura shows up Luffy loses his life. There is a reason why Oda had to use two Yonko to nerf Zoro so Kaido can save his life with only a scar and not have his torso cut in half.

Luffy on the other hand with a millionth power got neg diffed by nerfed Kaido.
It's pretty crazy how every other character in Shonen history doesn't seem to be bothered by how much damage they take, and their attacks even seemingly get stronger despite suffering more and more damage.

Zoro on the other hand is such a scrub, that he's the one guy in existence whose attacks actually gets weaker the more damage he takes.

Sorry, but the guy who loses strength the more boo boos he gets, will never be even remotely comparable to Luffy whose attacks are just as potent at 1 hp, as they are at 100 hp.
 

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Zoro on the other hand is such a scrub, that he's the one guy in existence whose attacks actually gets weaker the more damage he takes.
Hm? You think Sanji's kicks were as powerful as always after he lost all that blood due the mermaids? Or even Doflamingo clearly performing worse after the Gamma Knife?:choppawhat:

This is not about Zoro, it's an universal constant.
 
It's pretty crazy how every other character in Shonen history doesn't seem to be bothered by how much damage they take, and their attacks even seemingly get stronger despite suffering more and more damage.

Zoro on the other hand is such a scrub, that he's the one guy in existence whose attacks actually gets weaker the more damage he takes.

Sorry, but the guy who loses strength the more boo boos he gets, will never be even remotely comparable to Luffy whose attacks are just as potent at 1 hp, as they are at 100 hp.
Reality is if Luffy was even grazed by Hakai he would lose his life. The attacks that have knocked out Luffy, thunder bagua without CoC won't even tickle Zoro.

Luffy nearly died from a Hody Bite, Zoro took something much stronger, a lightening lethal attack from Big Mom and got up like nothing happened. That Mihawk slash would have also killed Luffy as an attack or similar level magma fist basically killed Luffy.

Luffy would have also died in Impel Down without hormones. People ignore the fact that Luffy never takes damage on the level Zoro does, he gets tons of damage from scrub attacks and people run with it.
 
Hm? You think Sanji's kicks were as powerful as always after he lost all that blood due the mermaids? Or even Doflamingo clearly performing worse after the Gamma Knife?:choppawhat:

This is not about Zoro, it's an universal constant.
Luffy, on Enies Lobby, who used all of his willpower just to be able stand, delivered his most devastating Jet gatling in the series to date.

If Luffy, on Dressrosa, who was seconds away from his haki depleting, and him passing out, folded an entire City in half with King Kong Gun, then would Luffy at full HP, using King Kong Gun fold the entire Country in half, and cause a split in the ocean, down to the Sea bed floor?

That's the type of shit you guys argue.
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Reality is if Luffy was even grazed by Hakai he would lose his life. The attacks that have knocked out Luffy, thunder bagua without CoC won't even tickle Zoro.

Luffy nearly died from a Hody Bite, Zoro took something much stronger, a lightening lethal attack from Big Mom and got up like nothing happened. That Mihawk slash would have also killed Luffy as an attack or similar level magma fist basically killed Luffy.

Luffy would have also died in Impel Down without hormones. People ignore the fact that Luffy never takes damage on the level Zoro does, he gets tons of damage from scrub attacks and people run with it.
Oda does that shit for dramatic purposes. Zoro passed out from a stomach ache, and a piercing through his shoulder blade, yet takes Hakai for a second, breaks 40 bones and keeps trucking. Lets not split hairs here.
 
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Luffy, on Enies Lobby, who used all of his willpower just to be able stand, delivered his most devastating Jet gatling in the series to date.

If Luffy, on Dressrosa, who was seconds away from his haki depleting, and him passing out, folded an entire City in half with King Kong Gun, then would Luffy at full HP, using King Kong Gun fold the entire Country in half, and cause a split in the ocean, down to the Sea bed floor?

That's the type of shit you guys argue.
Eh Luffy didn't take that strong of attacks in EL either, a lot of them were blunt attacks too which are virtually pillow hits. Rotuden was one of the very few truly lethal attacks Luffy took but it also hardly compares to lethality of pasta slicer from Mr1. Yet that and more lethal attacks Zoro took, Zoro still got stronger mid fight, one shot Mr1 with power up swagger and also carried Nami.

Now it takes twice the damage Luffy took in Thriller Bark to nerf Zoro where as all the damage gets taken out of Luffy.

One more example, one time Luffy took truly lethal attack pre TS, Crocodile stab, immediately K.Oed.
 
Eh Luffy didn't take that strong of attacks in EL either, a lot of them were blunt attacks too which are virtually pillow hits. Rotuden was one of the very few truly lethal attacks Luffy took but it also hardly compares to lethality of pasta slicer from Mr1. Yet that and more lethal attacks Zoro took, Zoro still got stronger mid fight, one shot Mr1 with power up swagger and also carried Nami.

Now it takes twice the damage Luffy took in Thriller Bark to nerf Zoro where as all the damage gets taken out of Luffy.

One more example, one time Luffy took truly lethal attack pre TS, Crocodile stab, immediately K.Oed.
The difference is, all that damage Luffy took on Thriller Bark didn't put him at risk of dying. Zoro taking in Luffy's pain, almost killed him. You're trying to compare what Zoro took on Thriller Bark to what Luffy took, but completely ignoring the affects it had on each individual. If the roles were reversed, and Luffy received that pain from what Zoro took on Thriller Bark on top of what he already received, you can't say with concrete certainty that Luffy would have almost died.

If Zoro was at 100 percent, and then took Luffy's pain, he would have been nowhere near the same condition that he was at by stacking Luffy's pain on top of his own. Zoro remained standing, yes, but was in no condition to do anything after that point, and if he didn't receive immediate medical attention, he would have died.

The same principle applies to the rooftop. Zoro took Haki, and fought through the pain to deliver one final attack against Kaido. After that, Zoro was dead on his feet, as the effects of Hakai caught up with him. If Law wasn't there, Kaido would have killed Zoro, and he would have been defenseless to do anything about it, cause he reached his limit of how much of that pain he could push through,
 

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The difference is, all that damage Luffy took on Thriller Bark didn't put him at risk of dying. Zoro taking in Luffy's pain, almost killed him. You're trying to compare what Zoro took on Thriller Bark to what Luffy took, but completely ignoring the affects it had on each individual. If the roles were reversed, and Luffy received that pain from what Zoro took on Thriller Bark on top of what he already received, you can't say with concrete certainty that Luffy would have almost died.

If Zoro was at 100 percent, and then took Luffy's pain, he would have been nowhere near the same condition that he was at by stacking Luffy's pain on top of his own. Zoro remained standing, yes, but was in no condition to do anything after that point, and if he didn't receive immediate medical attention, he would have died.

The same principle applies to the rooftop. Zoro took Haki, and fought through the pain to deliver one final attack against Kaido. After that, Zoro was dead on his feet, as the effects of Hakai caught up with him. If Law wasn't there, Kaido would have killed Zoro, and he would have been defenseless to do anything about it, cause he reached his limit of how much of that pain he could push through,
Or Luffy would have probably died if he tried to take that pain even assuming we don't factor Luffy was full of pain. πŸ€”
 
The difference is, all that damage Luffy took on Thriller Bark didn't put him at risk of dying. Zoro taking in Luffy's pain, almost killed him. You're trying to compare what Zoro took on Thriller Bark to what Luffy took, but completely ignoring the affects it had on each individual. If the roles were reversed, and Luffy received that pain from what Zoro took on Thriller Bark on top of what he already received, you can't say with concrete certainty that Luffy would have almost died.

If Zoro was at 100 percent, and then took Luffy's pain, he would have been nowhere near the same condition that he was at by stacking Luffy's pain on top of his own. Zoro remained standing, yes, but was in no condition to do anything after that point, and if he didn't receive immediate medical attention, he would have died.

The same principle applies to the rooftop. Zoro took Haki, and fought through the pain to deliver one final attack against Kaido. After that, Zoro was dead on his feet, as the effects of Hakai caught up with him. If Law wasn't there, Kaido would have killed Zoro, and he would have been defenseless to do anything about it, cause he reached his limit of how much of that pain he could push through,
How do you know TB Pain didn't take Luffy at risk of dying or at the very least it won't nerf him for next arc? Luffy was fully recovered by Kuma, we don't even know the effect Luffy would take from that beating.

Remember what Luffy took in Impel Down doesn't even compared to Zoro fighting Ryuma and falling on his ass from top of the tower, getting tossed around kneed and smashed by Oars, and then taking Kuma Ursus shock and then taking Luffys pain and fatigue on top.

Zoro took all that he had and then Luffy but Luffy was K.Oed with no sings of waking up soon from just his own damage.

Now Luffy was at risk of dying in Impel Down had it not been from Ivankov roads.

Luffy was at risk of dying from freaking Hody.

A top tier attack grazing Luffy put Luffy on risk on dying while arguably more lethal and stronger attack from Mihawk didn't put Zoro at risk of dying.

Luffy was admitting Hakai would wipe him out, he'd be dead upon contact Zoro took all that force blocking it which resulted in him broken bones.
 
The difference is, all that damage Luffy took on Thriller Bark didn't put him at risk of dying. Zoro taking in Luffy's pain, almost killed him. You're trying to compare what Zoro took on Thriller Bark to what Luffy took, but completely ignoring the affects it had on each individual. If the roles were reversed, and Luffy received that pain from what Zoro took on Thriller Bark on top of what he already received, you can't say with concrete certainty that Luffy would have almost died.

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