Whitebeard was the coolest and strongest Emperor even when the Admirals were flexing on him he still looked cool and badass, so don't expect the other yonkos to be as badass and cool as Whitebeard, big mom looks like an idiot child, kaido looks like a drunk phsyco, and we don't know enough about shanks and blackbeard
General & Others Whitebeard
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Ya'll remember the times when people, mainly Yonkou stans, were trashing Whitebeard for the stab injuries he took from fodder ?
- Kaidou was shouting out in pain for mere paper cuts that disappeared 2 pages later.
Meanwhile we have Goatbeard who used half his brain being melted off as a setup for his next attack and let me remind you how much swords cleanly went through him, no sign of weakness!
- Kaidou was shouting out in pain for mere paper cuts that disappeared 2 pages later.
Meanwhile we have Goatbeard who used half his brain being melted off as a setup for his next attack and let me remind you how much swords cleanly went through him, no sign of weakness!
A thread to promote Whitebeard as one of the best character ? I'm TOTALLY fine with that ^^
WB was the best Yonko hands down personality wise. He is cool, badass, deep, complex, strong, caring, prideful etc.
He raised the bar too high for the other yonko
And I don't even talk about PL.
Whitebeard is legendary
WB was the best Yonko hands down personality wise. He is cool, badass, deep, complex, strong, caring, prideful etc.
He raised the bar too high for the other yonko
And I don't even talk about PL.
Whitebeard is legendary
I think it is time for a little advertising
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-whitebeard-pirates-fan-club.4051/
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-whitebeard-pirates-fan-club.4051/
@RayanOO posted probably the best Whitebeard's character analysis so check it out:cheers:
Why do we love a character ? What makes a character good ?
The strength ? Yes for a part, we all love a badass character that can kick asses while making punch lines.
The looks ? Yes too, design is important.
But like Hemingway said in "Midnight in Paris", the most important thing is that a character is "truth".
Cartoon characters can be nice but only in a cartoon show.
I want a character that we can feel, a character that is human, who can have good and bad sides, who can make mistakes etc, even the worst piece of shit or loser can be an amazing character if it makes sense and if we can feel what he does, understand why and how he lived etc.
Whitebeard is one of the few characters in One piece that has this "thruth" in it.
Whitebeard's heart :
Whitebeard best trait is his heart. He can seem to be rough around the edges but WB cared and loved and could have done anything to protect people he deemed worthy. And he showed it multiple times.
Sphinx island :
WB grew up there. In a island who couldn't pay the heavenly tribute so it was a lawless area and he soon became an orphan. Even if he left this island quite early, he never forgot where he came from and had helped the island for all his live. He never publicly did it, it was a true selfless action.
WB and his family :
More than everything WB wanted to have a family. He wanted something more than a normal pirate life, he wanted to have people he loved around him, people with whom he could built something great. And slowly he built his own family. Growing up as an orphan in a shit island create that desire more than anything.
He took orphans outcasts and hopeless people and made them happy again. Like Teach or like Squardo after Roger killed his crew.
He called them sons and they called him father. (Or brother for Oden).
And even if they did mistakes he protected them and took the blame for them or forgave them. That's what a father does, he takes for himself the children mistakes.
With all the crappy fathers we can see in One piece WB is really something else.
Whitebeard really managed to fulfil his dream. He managed to create a deep bond with his "sons". We can see their reactions when he died.
It is refreshing to have someone who seeks something else that the PK title. Whitebeard was at the top of the ladder power wise and had tons of achievements under his belt but his greatest pride and succes was his family.
Allies :
Whitebeard also had an impressive charisma and had a lot of allies. He had his 43 allied captains and the support of many island. A guy like Jimbe who had spent years as a shishibukai to protect his homeland decided to fight for Whitebeard instead. This shows that Jimbe knew what he owed to Whitebeard, and the old man managed to gain his utter and unwavering respect.
Whitebeard managed along the road to make friends out of enemies :
We can see it with his allied captains :
For exemple with Karma. Karma attacked Oden and Toki and WB slapped him. But years later we can see that he is a loyal ally.
Same for Decalvans brothers who attacked the WBP pirates, and after Ace beat them the became ally.
Fishmen island :
WB also protected Fishmen island. WB was friend with Neptune and FI was constantly attacked. WB decided to make the island one of his territories. With this move he saved the island.
Fishemen island move that amazing. It is not just Whitebeard deciding to save a no name island because there were problems, but he knew the fishmen situation, he knew the discrimination, he knew that Fishmen were victims of pirates all time, slave trade, human traffic etc. He knew that Fishmen island was at a central place in the One piece world.
By declaring it his territory he saved an entire race.
Squardo :
A great exmple of WB heart can be seen with Squardo. Squardo was manipulated by Akainu and stabbed WB.
WB forgave Squardo even if he was a fool and even if he stabbed him. He was his son and even a stupid son needed love.
This is Whitebeard heart.
But Whitebeard is not perfect far from it. The guy is amazing, has a huge heart but he has his complexity and failures (and it is a great thing).
The Pride of a king :
Whitebeard sailed during all his life, during 50+ years he roamed in the sea, seeing incredible things, fighting the best of the best, winning, losing, and in the end he became the king of his era.
Whitebeard was proud of what he did, of what he managed to build, and he saw too much for other to tell him what to do.
Did Whitebeard really had nothing to fear ? I don't think so. WB knew that it was a mistake to let Ace go after BB.
But Shanks even if was a fellow Yonko, he was still a youngling in WB eyes, and no one can come into his ship and tell him what do to with his crew, his family and his life. And he also did that to protect his son's choice.
Same when his nurse told him to stop drinking because of his illness. Or when he told Rockstar that Shanks has to come in person to talk to him.
There is also that time before Marineford when Whitebeard didn't want to be seen with his medical support and removed them even if his health would suffer from it.
Rocks time :
This is still one mystery in Whitebeard life but he was part of Rocks crew during years and was seemingly one of the main commanders on board.
Why did Whitebeard accept to sail under Rocks flag ?
We know that Whitebeard has a big heart, cares about others, about his nakamas, protects the ones he is close of, so how the hell did he end up in that bastard crew ?
Here is what Sengoku said about Rocks crew : in this crew there were murder even between nakamas, everyone hated each other, and it seems that only Rocks himself managed to stick this wild bunch together. How can this be farther than anything WB ever fought for ?
Why did Wb joined such a crew ?
2 or 3 answers maybe : a debt : maybe at one point Rocks saved WB life and WB had to pay his debt to Rocks joining. But I don't think so.
I think that Rocks was one of the most charismatic pirate who ever lived, that he could instil fire into people even just by talking and with his strength and will. He managed to somewhat convince WB to come with him. And WB was young at that time, unexperienced, he was likely easier to handle and manipulate.
And we have to remember that Rocks goal was to take over the world, and topple the WG and the CD. And I think WB was totally on board with that. WB early life was shit because of the World government. Sphinx Island was too poor, and they couldn't pay the heavenly tribute so it was not protected by the World Government. I think it was enough for WB to hate the WG, we have to remember that he became an orphan likely because of the island povertu and danger. And someone like Rocks just had to push him the right way to let the fury out.
During his Rocks time I think WB lost himself a bit.
And that Rocks experience changed him. It made him focus again on creating his own crew and building his own family. But it also had an impact about his nakama policy. Being strong was not important anymore. The thing that mattered for WB was the capacity to put yourself and your ambition behind the safety of the crew, creating bounds that matters and not just staying on the crew because of power or interests.
We can see how Rocks time changed him with his early relationship with Oden.
So Whitebeard was not perfect at all, had rough moments, sometimes lost himself but in the end managed to become what he always wanted to be. This is this good and bad that makes him great.
One of the best thing about Whitebeard was his end.
One the most incredible thing about Whitebard is that he lived long enough to see his decline. Roger died at his peak, chose the place and hour of his death, he died as a legend, a myth, something too bright to be true. While WB died as a man.
Whitebeard grew old, he grew sick and he saw bit by bit his old cherish strength go away. He was still a monster obviously but he was not the man he was before. He had to take medecines, he had medical support, his haki was all over the place, had heart attack etc.
He even said it himself :
Whitebeard also lived long enough to see one of his son murder an other one, and to see Ace death.
As the opposite of a shonen end he didn't manage to save his son, he lost the war, and wasn't able to stop Blackbeard.
Does this painful end mean he failed as a man, a father ? Does that mean he failed his way out ?
No. Like his whole character this is more complicated than that. Like WB character, his end was not perfect but legendary.
Even if he wasn't the strongest anymore he gave it all, fought like a lion to protect his own and save Ace.
WB fought the whole navy to save his own, he took all the risks and even if he failed this is wonderful and tells a lot about his character.
Whitebeard even at death door put Akainu in the dirt, put BB on his knees, and finally died standing like a legend after one epic speech.
But as legendary as it was I think one of WB greatest shame was that Ace died before him, and that he didn't manage to save him. A child shouldn't die before his parent.
Whitebeard life was a travel and an experience.
Whitebeard had a long and eventful life, so rich of content, of good, of bad, of crying and laugh, of victories and defeats. This is what makes him an exceptional character the complexity, the grey, the feeling he gave to the readers. Whitebeard was one of the most fleshed out character, and of of the most human character in One piece.
He was and stays one of the best Oda has ever created.
The strength ? Yes for a part, we all love a badass character that can kick asses while making punch lines.
The looks ? Yes too, design is important.
But like Hemingway said in "Midnight in Paris", the most important thing is that a character is "truth".
Cartoon characters can be nice but only in a cartoon show.
I want a character that we can feel, a character that is human, who can have good and bad sides, who can make mistakes etc, even the worst piece of shit or loser can be an amazing character if it makes sense and if we can feel what he does, understand why and how he lived etc.
Whitebeard is one of the few characters in One piece that has this "thruth" in it.
Whitebeard's heart :
Whitebeard best trait is his heart. He can seem to be rough around the edges but WB cared and loved and could have done anything to protect people he deemed worthy. And he showed it multiple times.
Sphinx island :
WB grew up there. In a island who couldn't pay the heavenly tribute so it was a lawless area and he soon became an orphan. Even if he left this island quite early, he never forgot where he came from and had helped the island for all his live. He never publicly did it, it was a true selfless action.
WB and his family :
More than everything WB wanted to have a family. He wanted something more than a normal pirate life, he wanted to have people he loved around him, people with whom he could built something great. And slowly he built his own family. Growing up as an orphan in a shit island create that desire more than anything.
And even if they did mistakes he protected them and took the blame for them or forgave them. That's what a father does, he takes for himself the children mistakes.
With all the crappy fathers we can see in One piece WB is really something else.
It is refreshing to have someone who seeks something else that the PK title. Whitebeard was at the top of the ladder power wise and had tons of achievements under his belt but his greatest pride and succes was his family.
Allies :
Whitebeard also had an impressive charisma and had a lot of allies. He had his 43 allied captains and the support of many island. A guy like Jimbe who had spent years as a shishibukai to protect his homeland decided to fight for Whitebeard instead. This shows that Jimbe knew what he owed to Whitebeard, and the old man managed to gain his utter and unwavering respect.
Whitebeard managed along the road to make friends out of enemies :
We can see it with his allied captains :
For exemple with Karma. Karma attacked Oden and Toki and WB slapped him. But years later we can see that he is a loyal ally.
Fishmen island :
WB also protected Fishmen island. WB was friend with Neptune and FI was constantly attacked. WB decided to make the island one of his territories. With this move he saved the island.
By declaring it his territory he saved an entire race.
Squardo :
A great exmple of WB heart can be seen with Squardo. Squardo was manipulated by Akainu and stabbed WB.
WB forgave Squardo even if he was a fool and even if he stabbed him. He was his son and even a stupid son needed love.
This is Whitebeard heart.
The cracks in the shell :
But Whitebeard is not perfect far from it. The guy is amazing, has a huge heart but he has his complexity and failures (and it is a great thing).
The Pride of a king :
Whitebeard sailed during all his life, during 50+ years he roamed in the sea, seeing incredible things, fighting the best of the best, winning, losing, and in the end he became the king of his era.
Whitebeard was proud of what he did, of what he managed to build, and he saw too much for other to tell him what to do.
Same when his nurse told him to stop drinking because of his illness. Or when he told Rockstar that Shanks has to come in person to talk to him.
This is still one mystery in Whitebeard life but he was part of Rocks crew during years and was seemingly one of the main commanders on board.
Why did Whitebeard accept to sail under Rocks flag ?
We know that Whitebeard has a big heart, cares about others, about his nakamas, protects the ones he is close of, so how the hell did he end up in that bastard crew ?
Here is what Sengoku said about Rocks crew : in this crew there were murder even between nakamas, everyone hated each other, and it seems that only Rocks himself managed to stick this wild bunch together. How can this be farther than anything WB ever fought for ?
Why did Wb joined such a crew ?
2 or 3 answers maybe : a debt : maybe at one point Rocks saved WB life and WB had to pay his debt to Rocks joining. But I don't think so.
I think that Rocks was one of the most charismatic pirate who ever lived, that he could instil fire into people even just by talking and with his strength and will. He managed to somewhat convince WB to come with him. And WB was young at that time, unexperienced, he was likely easier to handle and manipulate.
And we have to remember that Rocks goal was to take over the world, and topple the WG and the CD. And I think WB was totally on board with that. WB early life was shit because of the World government. Sphinx Island was too poor, and they couldn't pay the heavenly tribute so it was not protected by the World Government. I think it was enough for WB to hate the WG, we have to remember that he became an orphan likely because of the island povertu and danger. And someone like Rocks just had to push him the right way to let the fury out.
During his Rocks time I think WB lost himself a bit.
And that Rocks experience changed him. It made him focus again on creating his own crew and building his own family. But it also had an impact about his nakama policy. Being strong was not important anymore. The thing that mattered for WB was the capacity to put yourself and your ambition behind the safety of the crew, creating bounds that matters and not just staying on the crew because of power or interests.
We can see how Rocks time changed him with his early relationship with Oden.
So Whitebeard was not perfect at all, had rough moments, sometimes lost himself but in the end managed to become what he always wanted to be. This is this good and bad that makes him great.
The end of the road :
One of the best thing about Whitebeard was his end.
One the most incredible thing about Whitebard is that he lived long enough to see his decline. Roger died at his peak, chose the place and hour of his death, he died as a legend, a myth, something too bright to be true. While WB died as a man.
Whitebeard grew old, he grew sick and he saw bit by bit his old cherish strength go away. He was still a monster obviously but he was not the man he was before. He had to take medecines, he had medical support, his haki was all over the place, had heart attack etc.
He even said it himself :
Whitebeard also lived long enough to see one of his son murder an other one, and to see Ace death.
As the opposite of a shonen end he didn't manage to save his son, he lost the war, and wasn't able to stop Blackbeard.
Does this painful end mean he failed as a man, a father ? Does that mean he failed his way out ?
No. Like his whole character this is more complicated than that. Like WB character, his end was not perfect but legendary.
Even if he wasn't the strongest anymore he gave it all, fought like a lion to protect his own and save Ace.
WB fought the whole navy to save his own, he took all the risks and even if he failed this is wonderful and tells a lot about his character.
Whitebeard even at death door put Akainu in the dirt, put BB on his knees, and finally died standing like a legend after one epic speech.
But as legendary as it was I think one of WB greatest shame was that Ace died before him, and that he didn't manage to save him. A child shouldn't die before his parent.
Whitebeard life was a travel and an experience.
Whitebeard had a long and eventful life, so rich of content, of good, of bad, of crying and laugh, of victories and defeats. This is what makes him an exceptional character the complexity, the grey, the feeling he gave to the readers. Whitebeard was one of the most fleshed out character, and of of the most human character in One piece.
He was and stays one of the best Oda has ever created.
To conclude this first post : Whitebeard RAP !
