General & Others Who still thinks Zoro surpasses Oden this arc ?

Would Zoro defeat Oden in 1 vs 1 combat at the end of Wano ?


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Current King vs Oden from 20 years ago? Hell yeah.

King from 20 years ago vs Oden from 20 years ago? Not sure about that one chief.
It doesn't matter what version of King it is, the outcome is still the same. Oden kills King.

Kaido is still traumatized of Oden to this day and Oden was compared to Shanks, Xebec, Roger, and Prime Whitebeard. King has no chance of defeating Oden lmao.

Also I find it hilarious that you think Zoro has been more impressive than Oden when Zoro didn't have any idea on how to control Enma until last chapter while Oden has been controlling Enma since he was a child.

Can't beileve you watched King rocking Zoro's ass for 5 chapters and Zoro struggling to control Enma and somehow came to the conclusion that Zoro is stronger than Oden before chapter 1033.

Zoro will surpass Oden once he makes Enma black and not a chapter earlier.
 
reductionist POV here..

zoro was astounded at how Oden could casually have this much haki sucked.

but he intends to die trying if it means to replicate that standard..

don't spin your simplistic bias interpretations on this mate.
Surpassing limits
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Yes, Zoro is going to get to Oden's level eventually. But for now he's not there yet.
EoS Oden's greatest wins are young Asura Doji and mid level Kaido. If you don't think King and Kaido back to back in present day are better feats then you simply won't listen to reason. Zoro will unquestionably be above Oden by the end of this story and only challenged by Mihawk, Shanks, and Shiryu. Ryuma has a 75% chance of coming back in spirit form to wank him.
 

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It doesn't matter what version of King it is, the outcome is still the same. Oden kills King.

Kaido is still traumatized of Oden to this day and Oden was compared to Shanks, Xebec, Roger, and Prime Whitebeard. King has no chance of defeating Oden lmao.

Also I find it hilarious that you think Zoro has been more impressive than Oden when Zoro didn't have any idea on how to control Enma until last chapter while Oden has been controlling Enma since he was a child.

Can't beileve you watched King rocking Zoro's ass for 5 chapters and Zoro struggling to control Enma and somehow came to the conclusion that Zoro is stronger than Oden before chapter 1033.

Zoro will surpass Oden once he makes Enma black and not a chapter earlier.
Because it was 1st significant scar anyone bothered to leave on him. Kaido 20 years ago was weaker, not experienced and didn't had hybrid or shit yet.

Zoro > Oden 20 years ago.
 
This chapter makes it obvious that Zoro still has ways to go before he is in striking distance of Oden. Oden would not struggle against a Commander level opponent. Oden is a bonafide top tier who has been wanked by every important character in the series. Zoro won't reach Oden's level until he fights Mihawk.
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Yes.

See Hitetsu's words:


And then Zoro's own epiphany:



Zoro has already taken his first step into Oden's class by meeting Enma's challenge head on. When he exceeds Oden's mastery of Enma, he'll be above him.
So Zoro is below Kid Oden by your logic?
 
Because it was 1st significant scar anyone bothered to leave on him. Kaido 20 years ago was weaker, not experienced and didn't had hybrid or shit yet.

Zoro > Oden 20 years ago.
Or you guys place way to much significance to something.
It was Oden and his own skill with his blades. I really doubt Kaidou wasn't experienced back then, that just sounds like bullshit to me. The God's Valley Island w/e incident happened much longer ago than that. Kaidou was already tough enough by 20 years ago.
 

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Or you guys place way to much significance to something.
It was Oden and his own skill with his blades. I really doubt Kaidou wasn't experienced back then, that just sounds like bullshit to me. The God's Valley Island w/e incident happened much longer ago than that. Kaidou was already tough enough by 20 years ago.
20 years is one hell of a time span for someone like Kaido to make significant growth. Remember that he told Oden if he allied with those bitchass Daimyos he most likely wouldn't take Wano under his iron fist.

All Zoro has to do with Oden is about mastering Enma. Fully taming it. Oden fought weaker and less experienced version of Kaido who didn't even use Hybrid + their fight was so fucking short it probably wasn't longer than Yamato vs Kaido on the roof.

Oden is hella overhyped. The only thing he had is that he got it easy with taming Enma, still couldn't forger black blade.

Remember that plot doesn't work for Kaido like it does for Luffy, Zoro and etc. He really needed that grind to reach Yonko status.
 
20 years is one hell of a time span for someone like Kaido to make significant growth. Remember that he told Oden if he allied with those bitchass Daimyos he most likely wouldn't take Wano under his iron fist.

All Zoro has to do with Oden is about mastering Enma. Fully taming it. Oden fought weaker and less experienced version of Kaido who didn't even use Hybrid + their fight was so fucking short it probably wasn't longer than Yamato vs Kaido on the roof.

Oden is hella overhyped. The only thing he had is that he got it easy with taming Enma, still couldn't forger black blade.

Remember that plot doesn't work for Kaido like it does for Luffy, Zoro and etc. He really needed that grind to reach Yonko status.
You are making an assumption based on a bias outlook. Because total subjugation with an Iron Fist requires much more effort than just influencing a single party etc... to manipulate things.

Everything else you say is headcanon.
 

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Everything else you say is headcanon.
Same can be said about Oden's power level. He's one overhyped don.

His fight with Kaido didn't surpass 20 minute mark probably. That's not a fucking top tier level fight sorry.

Zoro fought stronger version of Kaido. All Zoro is about now is taming Enma nothing more. That's the plot Oda gave him.
 
Are you guys forgetting that Zoro used CoC against Kaido when he used ashura?
And that this ashura did less damage than Oden's Togen totsuka?

If Zoro with ashura which is his 5 second finishing technique can't replicate Oden's AP level, why do you suggest that Zoro is even close to Oden's level?

However, I think Zoro will surpass Oden in EoS when he turns Wado Ichimonji into a black blade.
Wtf are you talking about. This chapter was Zoro surpassing his limits and not putting an limit on himself. Seriously can you guys read.
 
Same can be said about Oden's power level. He's one overhyped don.

His fight with Kaido didn't surpass 20 minute mark probably. That's not a fucking top tier level fight sorry.

Zoro fought stronger version of Kaido. All Zoro is about now is taming Enma nothing more. That's the plot Oda gave him.
Be that as it may, You can not dismiss the placement Oda is putting on him. You would be denying canon for you own desires.

2nd point does not matter. It's a narrative not just a brawl, You are placing fights above the narrative.

Irrelevant, Zoro may have scarred Kaidou, that's not in dispute here, You're acting like he fought Kaidou alone instead of a 1v5 or w/e... Stop being disingenuous.
 
prolly 1 or 2 more arcs later
Didn't your clown ass say it was Oden haki. Sit your cown ass the f down.
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that's because you are biased

remember 10 chapters ago when most of you guys claimed Zoro will 1 shot King ...
you were biased then you are biased now. only for different reasons and in different ways

truth is

King is all-start
a Sulong Duke can defeat Jack
Base Kaido defeated 2 of them and 7 other high class Samurais without receiving any major damage
defeating King ain't harder than all 9 scabbards

Base Kaido can very well Mid Diff King
and that's simply a fact for any non-biased reader
Lol hybrid Kaido got blitz and scar by Zoro. Stop it.
 

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defeating King ain't harder than all 9 scabbards
Yes it is.

The 9 Scabbards together can't beat King.


King is all-start
a Sulong Duke can defeat Jack
King and Jack are in different worlds.


Base Kaido can very well Mid Diff King
and that's simply a fact for any non-biased reader
No he can't.

Rooftop Zoro's offence > Hybrid Kaido (let alone Base Kaido), and King is handling that offence without any issue.
 

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he becomes stronger than oden when he can possibly beat kaido in a 1v1 ( the level oden was at)
hint: thats not this arc
He becomes stronger than Oden when he makes Enma black:



luffy after unlocking adv coc was still laughed at
zoro needs a bit more growth.
  1. Rooftop Zoro before unlocking Haoshoku had a more impressive performance than Luffy before unlocking Haoshoku.
  2. 1 hour after unlocking Haoshoku, Luffy already has Emperor class Haoshoku.

Current Zoro isn't yet above Oden, but when he blackens Enma, he will be.


you see zoro put all he had into an attack possibly imbuing coc into it to replicate something oden did casually
Current Zoro is indeed still weaker than Oden, but it seems as if Zoro just properly awakened Haoshoku for the first time:




Furthermore:
  1. Zoro was on his deathbed and had no energy left when he scarred Kaido.
  2. Zoro had yet to properly tame Enma.

Haoshoku Zoro using Dead Man's Game on Kaido now would be a very different story.
 
King and Jack are in different worlds.
Kaido opinion > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours

and he gave both of them SAME RANK
if King was far above the rest he would received another rank like vice captain ... like Ben or Dark King


Rooftop Zoro's offence > Hybrid Kaido (let alone Base Kaido), and King is handling that offence without any issue.
and that's a Zoro fan dream
a Kaido name attack is MORE than enough to break King's guard
 
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