General & Others Why do people HATE ability Countering All of a sudden?

[ImmaIvanoM]

I remember a time in the community when people liked that Luffy hard countered Enel and Water hard countered Crocodile and Daz Bones was apparently Zoro's "best fight" because he was countered as well.

I actually remember people arguing that pre time skip One piece was better because of this hard countering system as opposed to Haki post time skip magically equilising all combat (Even though Haki doesn't do that)

But now suddenly it's been reversed. Kin'emon hard counters Kaido and we have a problem. An Old dying man with the Barrier fruit can can hard counter All physical fighters such as Oden and it's unacceptable. Nami and Brook hard counter Big mom and it's unimaginable.

Of course I know the reason why this suddenly a bad thing. It's because everyone being countered above is a "Top tier" so it's just bad writing that hard counters that everybody seemed to enjoy before continue to work on "Top tiers."

All I gotta say is tough luck. Oda loves this stuff. He's literally written it into the DNA of the story and there's nothing you can do about it.

Yes; Shanks, Mihawk, And Garp TOGETHER can't do anything to Bartolommeo through his barrier but guess what, Fujitira can. Because gravity exists in side barriers and he can get SQUISHED because Gravity hard counters Barriers that hard counter physical force. Even Law can just teleport Bartolommeo out of the barrier. Another counter.

Guys this stuff isnt going anywhere. I'm saying it's gonna be a thing till the last fight and you're gonna have to accept that. It's not a coincidence that Blackbeard has darkness that hard counters all devil fruits. That's literally written into the story already. And guess what Luffy, the Rubber man, is also fighting Blackbeard, the Earthquake man. As in Earthquakes vs Rubber. Kind of like how in real life Rubber is specifically used to make buildings EARTHQUAKE PROOF IN JAPAN.

Would you look at that. Even one of the supposed final villains is written around this same hard counter mechanics of Darkness counters Rubber which counters Earthquakes.

Even if you think imu or akainu are the final villains, there will be this mechanic. Because Oda likes it too much.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Who is this even for?? You don’t encounter this kind of behavior if you’re not living in the Battledome or spoiler threads, the rest of us don’t really give a shit whether or not someone can reasonably land an attack on someone else. If Oda deems it so, then that’s what the fuck it is, whether the collective headcanon agrees or not.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I've always only liked Crocodile's weakness as a testament to Oda as a dramatic writer... because the idea is completely dumb.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I blame Enies Lobby

 

[Master OF Haki]

Who is this even for?? You don’t encounter this kind of behavior if you’re not living in the Battledome or spoiler threads, the rest of us don’t really give a shit whether or not someone can reasonably land an attack on someone else. If Oda deems it so, then that’s what the fuck it is, whether the collective headcanon agrees or not.

Dude, no one is against countering, I don't know what you are talking about.

 

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because muh powerlevels

 

[Kucing Pencuri]

It is powerscaler's problem, not from casual reader. You can see in the spoilers when Kinemon use his cuting fire technique, some people defend Oda's writing and don't care about power level, and yet they are called as Kaido stans, Crydo fanboy etc.

Yonko fans hate ability encounter because it make their almighty look weak. Admiral fan denied ability encounter and just go with "it is because yonko is trash tier weak character"

 

[Mr. Tuna Sandwich]

They just bunch of FANBOYS
Don't pay attention to their nonsense

 

[Uncle Van]

If it happens, it's because of how blatant the PIS became. Someone like Kinemon logically shouldnt do a thing a Kaido, hard counter or not. It took a combination of Kaido underestimating him and not using haki or his full strength for that to happen. Kaido is still messing around despite the fact the scabbards showing that they can hurt him pretty bad. The illogical moments are way more in your face postskip.

It's the same for BM....logically Jinbe shouldnt have been able to toss BM nor Robin spinning her out of the castle. BM could have easily slammed Jinbe or punched the ground around Robin's hands. Lots of PIS to get BM out of ther equation.

Things were more consistent and logical preskip. Daz Bones, Croc and Enel were done very well.

 

[Mr. Tuna Sandwich]

If it happens, it's because of how blatant the PIS became. Someone like Kinemon logically shouldnt do a thing a Kaido, hard counter or not. It took a combination of Kaido underestimating him and not using haki or his full strength for that to happen. Kaido is still messing around despite the fact the scabbards showing that they can hurt him pretty bad. The illogical moments are way more in your face postskip.

It's the same for BM....logically Jinbe shouldnt have been able to toss BM nor Robin spinning her out of the castle. BM could have easily slammed Jinbe or punched the ground around Robin's hands. Lots of PIS to get BM out of ther equation.

Things were more consistent and logical preskip. Daz Bones, Croc and Enel were done very well.

This made perfect sense if you actually pay attention to the canon and not get lost in your headcanon FANBOY

 

[Uncle Van]

This made perfect sense if you actually pay attention to the canon and not get lost in your headcanon FANBOY

I'm a yonko fanboy?

 

[Mr. Tuna Sandwich]

I'm a yonko fanboy?

IDK; are you?

 

[Uncle Van]

IDK; are you?

According to you in order to avoid counter arguments, yes.

 

[Mr. Tuna Sandwich]

According to you in order to avoid counter arguments, yes.

Okay fanboy

 

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If it happens, it's because of how blatant the PIS became. Someone like Kinemon logically shouldnt do a thing a Kaido, hard counter or not. It took a combination of Kaido underestimating him and not using haki or his full strength for that to happen. Kaido is still messing around despite the fact the scabbards showing that they can hurt him pretty bad. The illogical moments are way more in your face postskip.

It's the same for BM....logically Jinbe shouldnt have been able to toss BM nor Robin spinning her out of the castle. BM could have easily slammed Jinbe or punched the ground around Robin's hands. Lots of PIS to get BM out of ther equation.

Things were more consistent and logical preskip. Daz Bones, Croc and Enel were done very well.

Hurt pretty bad are big words, with a group surprise attacks they were only able to give superficial wounds that already healed. He got no reason to fear them. And Kaido is known to have been captured 18 times, he was never the most careful guy around. His fuckin hobby is trying to kill himself

 

[Senfret]

Is this post made for people that actually read one piece properly? Luffy is going to be pirate king, so obiously Kaido and BM being just mere Yonkos can't win in the end... They have to be dehyped the same way croco was, it doesn't matter if you think that they should be unbeatable that's not how OP works...

 

[BangOO🍅]

because Oda use logic and science in his manga too

 

[Uncle Van]

Hurt pretty bad are big words, with a group surprise attacks they were only able to give superficial wounds that already healed. He got no reason to fear them. And Kaido is known to have been captured 18 times, he was never the most careful guy around. His fuckin hobby is trying to kill himself

He was bleeding, clutching his wounds, sweating and using his club to stay on one knee. He was hurt but as you said he recovered. The point is how Kinemon shouldn't be able to hurt Kaido, hard counter or not. There's lots of plot and circumstances allowing that and other scenes to happen. Preskip didnt need to do that.

And Kaido is the same guy who showed fear and avoided death. As thing stand, Kaido is a contradictory mess while matters remain unexplained.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

If it happens, it's because of how blatant the PIS became. Someone like Kinemon logically shouldnt do a thing a Kaido, hard counter or not. It took a combination of Kaido underestimating him and not using haki or his full strength for that to happen. Kaido is still messing around despite the fact the scabbards showing that they can hurt him pretty bad. The illogical moments are way more in your face postskip.

It's the same for BM....logically Jinbe shouldnt have been able to toss BM nor Robin spinning her out of the castle. BM could have easily slammed Jinbe or punched the ground around Robin's hands. Lots of PIS to get BM out of ther equation.

Things were more consistent and logical preskip. Daz Bones, Croc and Enel were done very well.

Big Mom is the female equivalent to Luffy who always falls victim to shit like that due to his simple minded nature, and she's no different. In fact it makes much more sense for her to fall victim to it due to the fact that she hasn't suffered any real damage in god knows how long. She's complacent and carefree because of her own natural durability. So when stuff like that happens to her it's just easier to chalk it up to her being in an idgaf mode for most of her life.

 

[Mr. Tuna Sandwich]

He was bleeding, clutching his wounds, sweating and using his club to stay on one knee. He was hurt but as you said he recovered. The point is how Kinemon shouldn't be able to hurt Kaido, hard counter or not. There's lots of plot and circumstances allowing that and other scenes to happen. Preskip didnt need to do that.

And Kaido is the same guy who showed fear and avoided death. As thing stand, Kaido is a contradictory mess while matters remain unexplained.

There no reason Kin'emon ahouldn't be able to harm Crydo but whatever live with your headcanon