Character Discussion Why Hancock Is Weak

is boa hancock really weak since she couldn't escape from a chokehold or i'm crazy for thinking that

  • yes she's weak

    Votes: 9 42.9%
  • your crazy for thinking that

    Votes: 14 66.7%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .
You’re putting way too much thought in a simple tool used to give a physical number to the strength
We know that is factually not true because you can compare characters with similar bounties and know they're factually not the same strength.

When Luffy had a bounty of 300m, compare him to other characters with 300m:

Luffy had a 300m bounty pre-skip without Haki - Zoro 320m bounty with Haki, capable of defeating Pika, even able to clash with Fujitora.

Bounties even of the same value don't mean equal strength.

Caesar, 300m as well defeated Luffy after training with Raileigh and had a 400m bounty. Still got defeated and it took Luffy 2 years of training to defeat someone with a similar bounty he had 2 years ago.

Like I said, bounty doesn't tell you how strong a person is, you can only say they're probably strong, but can't specify how strong.

The only thing a bounty will factually tell you is this:
  • They committed a crime or were part of an incident that warranted this cumulative value.

Bounty only increases with activity. Doesn't really matter how strong you are.
 
Last edited:
Outside of main characters who are constantly growing thats just not true
Not true.
Bounties work the same for eveyone.

The only reason the main character's bounties change so often is because:
They are constantly committing crimes which is pretty much every arc.

Why didn't Robin's bounty change for 20 years since age 8? it's because she didn't commit a crime the WG knew about even though she'd obviously be stronger than her 8 year old self. Has nothing to do with strength, and when she got a bounty 20 years later, it only increased from 79m to 80m.

Brook's bounty didn't change for 50 years, why? because he hadn't committed any crimes.

If you don't commit a crime or are part of an incident, your bounty can't go up.

Name me one character whose bounty went up without a crime or incident?

In the case of the SHs, they commit a crime or are part of an incident every arc, so their bounty goes up.

  • In fact, why didn't Luffy's bounty go up in Skypiea?
  • Why didn't Luffy's bounty go up after Thriller Bark?
Simple answer, the WG didn't know what crimes/incidents they were involved in, and in the case of Thriller Bark it was because they hid the fact Moriah was defeated, and by not increasing his bounty, it means they did nothing.

Activity is what increases bounty, not strength.

Usopp hasn't gotten stronger since Dressrosa, and his bounty has gone up 200m... why? because he is a SH and has been involved in numerous criminal activity, thus increase.
 
Not true.
Bounties work the same for eveyone.

The only reason the main character's bounties change so often is because:
They are constantly committing crimes which is pretty much every arc.

Why didn't Robin's bounty change for 20 years since age 8? it's because she didn't commit a crime the WG knew about even though she'd obviously be stronger than her 8 year old self. Has nothing to do with strength, and when she got a bounty 20 years later, it only increased from 79m to 80m.

Brook's bounty didn't change for 50 years, why? because he hadn't committed any crimes.

If you don't commit a crime or are part of an incident, your bounty can't go up.

Name me one character whose bounty went up without a crime or incident?

In the case of the SHs, they commit a crime or are part of an incident every arc, so their bounty goes up.

  • In fact, why didn't Luffy's bounty go up in Skypiea?
  • Why didn't Luffy's bounty go up after Thriller Bark?
Simple answer, the WG didn't know what crimes/incidents they were involved in, and in the case of Thriller Bark it was because they hid the fact Moriah was defeated, and by not increasing his bounty, it means they did nothing.

Activity is what increases bounty, not strength.

Usopp hasn't gotten stronger since Dressrosa, and his bounty has gone up 200m... why? because he is a SH and has been involved in numerous criminal activity, thus increase.
Again you’re just naming main characters who are constantly growing and changing. I’m talking about minor characters like Boa whose bounties only exist to give them a power level.

That’s what you’re ignoring likely cause you don’t like that bounties are canonically used to power scale minor charscters in verse and by Oda himself
 
Again you’re just naming main characters who are constantly growing and changing. I’m talking about minor characters like Boa whose bounties only exist to give them a power level.

That’s what you’re ignoring likely cause you don’t like that bounties are canonically used to power scale minor charscters in verse and by Oda himself
Robin at 8 years old with 79m bounty is not as strong as an 18 year old Hancock with 80m which is pretty much what you're saying.
 
Bounty has always been based on information known or believed by the world government. And that’s if they don’t want to hide the information

So based on your known/believed achievements they’re going to use the incident to judge your strength and danger level but again it’s only based on what they know. Also being part of a group maybe raise your bounty too just for being a part of it

  1. Crackers bounty would be higher if the wg had more information on him. Them not even knowing what he looks like
  2. Kid had a higher bounty than luffy not because of strength specifically but because of how much destruction he was
  3. Luffy would’ve had a higher bounty post thriller bark if the wg wasn’t keeping the thriller bark incident a secret
  4. Usopp and nami have bounties comparable to dressrosa luffy and zoro. They obviously aren’t comparable in strength
  5. Pekoms and tamango have higher bounties than oven and daifuku despite being stronger because they do more outside of tottoland
  6. 2.2 and 3.9 billion Blackbeard are equal in strength but he got the bounty increase for Kuzan being a known member under him and the other incidents his crew caused in that time
  7. Zoro and sanji beat king and queen and are stronger but have lower bounties because king and queen are more dangerous to the wg and their captain has a higher bounty
  8. Luffy kid and law have the same bounty despite luffy being significantly stronger with a significantly stronger crew because they got equal credit for taking out kaido and big mom
    • Same happened in dressrosa with just Luffy and law
Bounties were never a reliable representation of strength
 
Bounty has always been based on information known or believed by the world government. And that’s if they don’t want to hide the information

So based on your known/believed achievements they’re going to use the incident to judge your strength and danger level but again it’s only based on what they know. Also being part of a group maybe raise your bounty too just for being a part of it

  1. Crackers bounty would be higher if the wg had more information on him. Them not even knowing what he looks like
  2. Kid had a higher bounty than luffy not because of strength specifically but because of how much destruction he was
  3. Luffy would’ve had a higher bounty post thriller bark if the wg wasn’t keeping the thriller bark incident a secret
  4. Usopp and nami have bounties comparable to dressrosa luffy and zoro. They obviously aren’t comparable in strength
  5. Pekoms and tamango have higher bounties than oven and daifuku despite being stronger because they do more outside of tottoland
  6. 2.2 and 3.9 billion Blackbeard are equal in strength but he got the bounty increase for Kuzan being a known member under him and the other incidents his crew caused in that time
  7. Zoro and sanji beat king and queen and are stronger but have lower bounties because king and queen are more dangerous to the wg and their captain has a higher bounty
  8. Luffy kid and law have the same bounty despite luffy being significantly stronger with a significantly stronger crew because they got equal credit for taking out kaido and big mom
    • Same happened in dressrosa with just Luffy and law
Bounties were never a reliable representation of strength
Spot on.

King and Queen only have higher bounties because they've been Pirates for decades, at least 20 years. They've had a lot more time to commit crimes and get involved in incidents to warrant those bounties.

Sometimes, a lower bounty can make you more dangerous than people with higher. Super Rookies are people with bounties of 100M+ by the time they reach Sabaody. Meaning they've done enough heinous activities to be considered Super Rookies as opposed to Rookie.

A Super Rookie can have a bounty of just 100m and it makes one wonder why does the WG make such a big deal? It's only 100m.

We know a Pirate gets a bounty after an incident or crime.

Kid, Law and Bege were Pirates 3 years before Luffy, in fact they started sailing around the same time as Ace. So, we can say Worstgeneration have been Pirates for a maximum of 5 years besides Luffy.

If you look at the averages in the first 3 years as Pirates:
  • Luffy 300m in 1 yerar = 300m increase per year average
  • Kid ~300m in 3 years = 100m increase per year average
  • Law 200m in 3 years = 66.6m increase per year average

Compare this to any seasoned Pirate. Most Pirates have been sailing for decades, if we assume Katakuri has been 30 years:
  • Katakuri ~1 bill in 30 years = 33.3m increase per year average

Seems like nothing, but most Pirates don't even get as high as 400m. Squardo whom WB gave command of his fleet because he was smart and powerful only had a 250m bounty over probably a 30 year period?
  • Squardo 250m in 30 years = 8.3m increase per year average

Squardo was a seasoned Pirate, not a scrub, someone feared and respected in the New World and even amongst Marines. It's not often people look at bounties in terms of how long it took to accumulate them. Lots of big time Pirates who are just 300, 400m. The Supernova are a different breed.
Lots of big time Pirates are averaging maybe 8m a year increases and they're respected, and then people like Kat who are also respected are in the 30ms a year. Not many Pirates can earn above even 20m a year average unless they're special to begin with,

While Sanji and Zoro's bounty being lower than King and Queen seems ridiculous, their bounty is far more indicate that they're more dangerous because:
  • Zoro 1 bill in 3 years = 333m increase per year average
  • Sanji 1 bill in 3 years = 333m increase per year average
  • King/Queen 1.3 bill in 30 years (probably more) = 43m increase per year average
Can tell Zoro and Sanji are far more active, and even if it's lower, it shows they're more dangerous because if their bounty is going up by 300m a year, it means they're doing some really dangerous stuff which King and Queen can't compare to. They might be similar levels, but their activity is on a completely different levels.
All the things Luffy did to reach 300m shook the world, so doing that on a yearly basis is insane.

Looking at bounties as power levels misses the point completely, when looked at in terms of duration, it gives a completely different picture as to what bounty means when one understands it only goes up based on activity.

Even someone with a 100m bounty should be feared if they've only committed 1 crime, and if they're really active, that's Luffy levels of insanity in terms of criminal activity. There's a lot more to bounty than the face value.
 
Top