Questions & Mysteries Why is Shiliew constantly brought up as this Top Tier swordsman that could kill Mihawk?

[Malick the last Light]

Several detractors of Mihawk insinuate the guy will get killed by this nobody for supposedly lacking feats, how he only has his title etc when literally the same shit applies to Shiliew to an even greater degree. Shiliew literally has NO feats to speak of. He killed some fodder in Impel Down, potentially killed Absalom, and is said to be Magellan lvl.

What the hell am I missing? Is it just that he got on Blackbeards crew? Story logic says he can't be a total bitch since his eventual fight against Zoro needs to be at least semi-interesting, but where does the "he will kill Mihawk" shit come from? Did I miss some SPS where Oda calls him a great swordsman like Mihawk somewhere? Or is it honestly just the sort of bullshit logic some people use where since Mihawk "trained" Zoro they can no longer fight? Because newsflash people, Oda won't write out the fight he set up almost over 1000 chapters ago between Mihawk and Zoro just to instead make him lose off-screen to some no feat bad guy just so the "tension" could be a bit higher.

Zoro never killed any of his swordsmen opponents anyway. All his kills are no-names / off-screened, so why anybody thought his battle with Mihawk would be different even before the time-skip is a mystery to me. Sure they will go all out, and "anything can happen" but let's be fucking real alright? Oda was never killing him either way.

 

[ThatMojaveCourier06]

Yeah, I've seen too much wank for a character who basically has no feats.

I've also see nonsensical comparisons like:
Ben = Shiliew >YC1

Imagine wanking a character with literally no notable feats.

Just a normal day in WG.

 

[The Legend]

Imagine wanking a character with literally no notable feats.

Then the same would apply to mihawk...

But according to some people here mihawk is stronger than 3 Admirals at the same time because he cut fodder ships from east blue and ice but not cut Vista, Crocodile, Buggy and Jozu

 

[Adamxero]

Plot.

Zoro to have the most vicious and difficult Sword fight would have to be someone who he has animosity towards.

Right now Zoro and Mihawk have no aminosity towards one another not like it was when Mihawk had just beat him.

Add onto the fact Blackbeard is likely to kill/defeat Shanks it only makes sense that Shiryu who is likely the second strongest is also being hyped up.

Shiryu killing Mihawk boys prepare for it.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Plot.

Zoro to have the most vicious and difficult Sword fight would have to be someone who he has animosity towards.

Right now Zoro and Mihawk have no aminosity towards one another not like it was when Mihawk had just beat him.

Add onto the fact Blackbeard is likely to kill/defeat Shanks it only makes sense that Shiryu who is likely the second strongest is also being hyped up.

Shiryu killing Mihawk boys prepare for it.

I agree, and it has nothing to do with disliking Mihawk. Shiliew is just a more competitive character in personality

 

[ThatMojaveCourier06]

Then the same would apply to mihawk...

But according to some people here mihawk is stronger than 3 Admirals at the same time because he cut fodder ships from east blue and ice but not cut Vista, Crocodile, Buggy and Jozu

Not exactly. I definitely don't believe Mihawk is stronger than 3 Admirals at the same time; I don't even know if he's stronger than 1 Admiral.

Vista isn't exactly weak. I'm not sure where he'd be if I were to rank amongst the other YC but Mihawk not defeating Vista isn't exactly a low bar.

Same with Jozu. Not weak by any means.

Mihawk not defeating Crocodile is just PIS. Mihawk is obviously superior to Crocodile but having him neg diff Crocodile would be anticlimactic.

Buggy is a gag character. That's how he has survived for this long in the series.

 

[Malick the last Light]

Plot.

Zoro to have the most vicious and difficult Sword fight would have to be someone who he has animosity towards.

Right now Zoro and Mihawk have no aminosity towards one another not like it was when Mihawk had just beat him.

Zoro never felt "animosity" towards Mihawk. Their relationship fucking started with Mihawk purposefully not killing him and after disrespecting Zoroat first acknowledged his potential. Zoro had no "animosity" towards Mr.1 either, arguably the bloodiest fight he had to date. Sure, he threw some shade on the fact Daz was no "real" swordsman and had no clue about what Zoro and his lifestyle was about, but there was no real hate either.

Zoro and Mihawk clashing would leave both of them on the BRINK of death. Getting any more out of it was never in the cards either way.

 

[Finalbeta]

Because of agenda for the most part from my personal experience.

We know he was catalogued as comparable to Magellan but he was hardly stronger than Yami Teach. He grew a lot since then probably but nothing suggesting he is even Shanks level realistically if not the notion Zoro will presumably take him out one day, but having that happening prior to the Mihawk clash would make so much sense for a multimyriad of reasons.

 

[Monet]

I think we should know first if HE is true swordman or not ?!
what if he become like king ?!

 

[mugiwalaw]

I think we should know first if HE is true swordman or not ?!
what if he become like king ?!

but isnt it funny if we found out that he's not a swordman... like in this entire verse we only got Mihawk, Zoro and Vista as a true and relevant swordman (not including samurais), also the honorable mention is Tashigi lmao.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

The way I used to think is shiriyu with BB's help + his crew will defeat miahwk and steal his sword then shanks defeat him

 

[NAMELESS]

I guess because Magellan was pretty hype back in the day and Shilliew was supposed to be just as strong with just his sword and no df!

 

[Cozy Sofa]

I guess because Magellan was pretty hype back in the day and Shilliew was supposed to be just as strong with just his sword and no df!

This. We have seen Ivankov take on Kuma. We have seen Jinbei take on Big Mom. We have seen Crocodile take on Mihawk and Doflamingo. Yet they all fled from Magellan and Shiryu was supposed to be his equal.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

1. Mihawk has no role left to fit in the story. There’s no viable part in the story for Zoro and Mihawk to fight unless you think Straw Hats Will fight the red haired pirates.

2. Story wise, Shiryu needs hype to make him an impressive opponent as such Blackbeard pirates need to fight powerful individuals (red haired pirates is most likely)

 

[Garp the Fist]

Who says we have to be detractors of Mihawk to say that he’ll be beaten by Shiryu?

I think Mihawk is one of the strongest guys in the series. I also think Blackbeard will be the strongest guy in the series, and it’s only fitting that his right hand man is also freakishly strong, just like Zoro is to Luffy. Stronger than both Ray and Oden were.

Mihawk as Zoro’s final fight just ain’t working for me, because it needs to happen in a vacuum completely separate from every other final fight. If Blackbeard is the final villain it’s Shiryu, if it’s Im then it’s Gandhi. Mihawk doesn’t fit anywhere unless there’s a huge twist and he ends up joining one of those two for real.

 

[Adamxero]

Zoro never felt "animosity" towards Mihawk. Their relationship fucking started with Mihawk purposefully not killing him and after disrespecting Zoroat first acknowledged his potential. Zoro had no "animosity" towards Mr.1 either, arguably the bloodiest fight he had to date. Sure, he threw some shade on the fact Daz was no "real" swordsman and had no clue about what Zoro and his lifestyle was about, but there was no real hate either.

Zoro and Mihawk clashing would leave both of them on the BRINK of death. Getting any more out of it was never in the cards either way.

Yes but before the training it was very obvious Zoro and Mihawk were enemies hell post timeskip I can't even think of one time Zoro has mentioned about beating Mihawk anymore.

The whole idea Zoro and Mihawk could have a battle to the death after spending 2 years training together is just fanfiction.

Mihawk is getting bodied by Shiryu due to plot.

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Who says we have to be detractors of Mihawk to say that he’ll be beaten by Shiryu?

I think Mihawk is one of the strongest guys in the series. I also think Blackbeard will be the strongest guy in the series, and it’s only fitting that his right hand man is also freakishly strong, just like Zoro is to Luffy. Stronger than both Ray and Oden were.

Mihawk as Zoro’s final fight just ain’t working for me, because it needs to happen in a vacuum completely separate from every other final fight. If Blackbeard is the final villain it’s Shiryu, if it’s Im then it’s Gandhi. Mihawk doesn’t fit anywhere unless there’s a huge twist and he ends up joining one of those two for real.

This!!!!



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[Finalbeta]

Yes but before the training it was very obvious Zoro and Mihawk were enemies hell post timeskip I can't even think of one time Zoro has mentioned about beating Mihawk anymore.

The whole idea Zoro and Mihawk could have a battle to the death after spending 2 years training together is just fanfiction.

Mihawk is getting bodied by Shiryu due to plot.

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This!!!!



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Well Mihawk will presumably fight off Zoro, that's how things were built.

He is by portrayal stronger than Shanks for several reasons:

His vivre card suggesting he is waiting for a swordmaster to specifically surpass Shanks

The black blade notion, as Roger probably acknowledged its existence due to his countless traveling and yet didn't forge one, probably didn't manage although we don't know what it takes to forge one

And of course lack of evidence that Shiryu will become strong enough to supersede a character allegedly standing above yonko level if yonko level makes sense

 

[Adamxero]

Well Mihawk will presumably fight off Zoro, that's how things were built.

He is by portrayal stronger than Shanks for several reasons:

His vivre card suggesting he is waiting for a swordmaster to specifically surpass Shanks

The black blade notion, as Roger probably acknowledged its existence due to his countless traveling and yet didn't forge one, probably didn't manage although we don't know what it takes to forge one

And of course lack of evidence that Shiryu will become strong enough to supersede a character allegedly standing above yonko level if yonko level makes sense

How they 'were' built. Timeskip changed everything for Zoro his goal is to surpass Mihawk not defeat him. Surpassing can come in many forms for instance I see Luffy surpassing Roger and Shanks but I don't see him fighting either of them.

Unless Oda derails the whole story just to have Zoro fight Mihawk it makes no sense on it happening. Oda is a writer who entangles everything with the plot.

It all comes down to the timeline of events. Blackbeard and Shanks will clash the question is when? I could also see Mihawk helping Shanks now he is no longer a warlord. If that is the case who does Mihawk fight in the BB pirates?... Shiryu

He may not have the feats but Oda is always plot driven and will make a character as strong as needed to drive the plot.

What would escalate the conflict between the SHP vs BBP would be the defeat of the RHP & Mihawk.

Luffy fighting to surpass Shanks.
Zoro fighting to surpass Mihawk
Ussop fighting to surpass Yassop etc.

Zoro vs Mihawk would literally be a side attraction with no plot progression to the story at all.

 

[Finalbeta]

How they 'were' built. Timeskip changed everything for Zoro his goal is to surpass Mihawk not defeat him. Surpassing can come in many forms for instance I see Luffy surpassing Roger and Shanks but I don't see him fighting either of them.

Unless Oda derails the whole story just to have Zoro fight Mihawk it makes no sense on it happening. Oda is a writer who entangles everything with the plot.

It all comes down to the timeline of events. Blackbeard and Shanks will clash the question is when? I could also see Mihawk helping Shanks now he is no longer a warlord. If that is the case who does Mihawk fight in the BB pirates?... Shiryu

He may not have the feats but Oda is always plot driven and will make a character as strong as needed to drive the plot.

What would escalate the conflict between the SHP vs BBP would be the defeat of the RHP & Mihawk.

Luffy fighting to surpass Shanks.
Zoro fighting to surpass Mihawk
Ussop fighting to surpass Yassop etc.

Zoro vs Mihawk would literally be a side attraction with no plot progression to the story at all.

Zoro's goal is to surpass Mihawk yes, but Oda hyped the day that encounter would occur massively. He did it implicitly enough perhaps and not many are seeing through that, but it's wrong to assume that Zoro and Mihawk is merely a matter of one surpassing the other, in my own opinion it's likely way deeper than that.

 

[JoNdule]

Mihawk can never be Zoro's EoS fight

He's not a BB pirate nor a Gorosei or Admiral. So how's he even gonna fight zoro?
For what? They developed a bond of 2 years as master and student
If Oda wanted zoro vs Mihawk again, he would never have him train under Mihawk for 2 years.

The dude isn't even a warlord anymore
He's done playing a role unless he joins shanks to face BB pirates