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#1
Hey Guys Today we will answer this question :

why I say that King is stronger than Katakuri and far stronger than Queen using portrayal and feats :

i will use @Light D Lamperouge points and thanks a lot to him for that :

Ppl use that rivalry gag that used with Jyabura and lucci or shanks and buggy to claim King and Queen are near each other in strength while let's compare their hype / feats / portrayal :

Firstly their introduction Queen got his bounty revealed early and hyped early in Act 2 while King's bounty still didn't get revealed yet despite being in the end of act 3 and if Oda wanted to portray their equality King's bounty should have got revealed in Act 2 or in the same time when they appeared firstly so

even by portrayal they aren't equal .


Now let's see Marco Hype firstly because we will need it :







I'll start with Marco. Marco has faced 5 certified top tiers. C3, Garp, BB in clashes, skirmishes and full fights.
Marco was WB's right hand man
He was the one to lead the crew after WB's death. He and the WBP remnants waged war against Teach. Notice how only his name is brought up separating him from the rest
Robin calls it Marco's group with a visual cue courtesy of Oda of Marco and Teach fighting, i.e. the leaders.
When Gorosei talk about who can stop Teach they once again single out Marco from the rest of the crew.
Now at the beginning Marco was depicted with Jozu, similar to your example with King and Queen, but when the going gets tough so to say, it's clear who is the top dog. Why is this important? I'll explain below when I get to King. I'll just leave a bit of panels that support what I am saying.
His intro is again paralleled with King's, with both of them being introduced together with the lesser commander, Jozu and Queen.

Jozu got shivered from Shanks CoC while struggling in his speech whereas Marco talks casually and didn't get affected .


At the start of the war Marco and Jozu are separated again and placed together with WB
Both block an attack meant for WB by certified top tiers
But Jozu could only injure Aokiji due to distraction and in the end he lost an arm and he didn't appear on panel after that in the war whereas Marco could stop Akainu who has the strongest AP amongest DF with lethality momentarily with his barrier Haki he could send Aokiji flying who was distracted he tanked Kizaru lasers and Garp punch and finally he fought on panel with Big mom on equal footing momentarily and injured her homie << Prometheus >> she even needed her son to help her to deal with him while in WCI she didn't want to accept Katakuri's help who is also her son and in the end she postponed the fight and claimed that she can't deal with while her homies aren't around her despite having her monstrous strength + Napoleon .



Now after seeing Marco Hype let's see King :

Now, let's look at King. From his name alone and the card theme it is clear he stands atop. His case is very similar to Marco's as well. Both were introduced with another commander side by side
akin to Marco and Jozu. But again when the going got tough, King was the one to act as the right hand. When Kaido is panicking about Linlin arriving, it's King that goes and takes care of the problem
I can flip this scene as great portrayal for King. What makes Kaido sweat and get nervous King calls a measly ship and irrelevant fuss basically
Again, when Kaido was in a pinch it was King that preemptively sought out a solution
These are clear examples of him acting like a true rhm, akin to Marco. Both also have more parallels. Being sought out by the other Yonko and another one.

and this isn't a random thing oda would do and the same Marco himself is portrayed above Queen especially in chapter 998 when he could stop his virus casually using his blue flame or chapter 999 when he passed him casually while catching Zoro with his legs and what is truly magnificient is King has that wild fire which can be used against Queen's Virus and so far Queen showed his his plague + his weapons meanwhile we didn't see King's wildfire or his swordmanship in base form .

Conclusion :
and the point of what i said previously is King has a similar portrayal and feat with Marco who is portrayed above Queen and even Katakuri who didn't even get the respect from big mom while both of marco / King got it .


Now let's make a comparison between King + Queen + Katakuri performance
King flung Shinobu into a wall and called her work clumsy. Effectively stopped her. While Queen didn't notice anything
> While Queen is staring like a nincompoop King is already going to get Momo and he uses a random ass attack that knocks out Judge's son, equiped with his daddy's life saving gear
> Katakuri couldn't stop Brook of all people from destroying one of his mother's most prized possessions and the thing that would weaken her
> Couldn't stop Luffy from shoving that broken picture up Big Mom's, Katakuri's mother, fat ass face.
> Katakuri while having all the Big Mom pirates by his side was shitting himself while thinking of how to stop Linlin, and was only relieved after Pudding came up with a plan
> While King in a reverse situation, being alone takes on Linlin who is backed up by her crew, the same crew that was backing up Katakuri, takes them out and calls them measly
> While Katakuri is chided and put in his place by his mother to which he has no other option but only to agree
> King asserts his dominance over the same fat bitch that chides Katakuri and now wants King in her crew and coldheartedly refuses her


All this false significance attributed to Katakuri has to stop. No one gives a fuck about him.

> Morgans didn't and he just lumped him in with his brother Cracker as a mere officer of Linlin's
> Kaido didn't give a fuck and sent Jack to go grab the guy that beat the 'almighty' Katakuri
> Jack didn't give a fuck and went to search for the guy that beat Katakuri without a second thought
> In Udon Queen gave no fucks about Luffy beating Katakuri
> Who's Who gave no fucks about Luffy beating Katakuri and called him a rat, but was eager to go find Yamato so that he'd have a chance to be a calamity

People that are calamities, or are gunning for a calamity position give no fucks about Katakuri or rats that beat him. Kaido the guy that builds his crew based on powers gives no fucks about Katakuri, but has King as his right hand man.

Katakuri is just that insignificant.

King has been competent and useful throughout the arc.

> Whilst everyone is out of their minds, including King's captain who is sweating buckets, King casually flies over, reminder that King's captain also possesses a devil fruit that enables flight, and takes care of the threat, whilst being cocky about it, calling it a measly ship, completely humiliating an entire Yonko crew and stopping a full-scale war.
> When King's captain is in a pinch about Yamato it is King who has preemptively sought out a solution to the problem, acting like a true right hand man.
> When the people try to free Momo it is King that acts immediately, first flinging Shinobu mercilessly into the building, then playing with Judge's son.


> Put Jack in his place when he needed scolding
> Put Queen in his place when he needed scolding
> Put the F6 in place when they crossed the line
> Took command and displayed proper thinking and authority by telling the F6 what to do



> Is protecting the way to his captain now




King is stronger than Katakuri so if King is fodder Katakuri is even more of a fodder.
 
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MonsterZoro

Spoiler Provider
#10
This is stupid AF

every single time king is introduce he gets put up right next to queen

both introduced bickering on first showing intro box looking down on jack
both introduced stoping big mom
both introduced stoping luffy from going to roof
both introduced stoping marco going to roof
both put in charge of guarding momo
both put together when zoro said it won't be easy going either route
both stayed under the doom to protect people going to kaido



Oda is portraying these two to be equal

katakuri should be above both of them but not by much
 

MonsterZoro

Spoiler Provider
#12
Also why the fk did you list King trying to stop Sanji from saving momo but did not list Queen stopping both luffy and Zoro from reaching the top?

Why did you not post queen coming up with a plan and stopping big mom by himself and then chaining her so that she can't escape? If anything queen is more impressive here because those chains actually stopped her she had to beg fodder to untie her. King only kick the boat off the air which even Sanji can damage more then king did.

> King asserts his dominance over the same fat bitch that chides Katakuri and now wants King in her crew and coldheartedly refuses her

Spoiler

really? Queen is shit talking big mom the whole time even when he was geting his ass kicked. Queen literally shit talking every person he comes across even calling marco a bird bastard.

Put the F6 in place when they crossed the line

queen made drake and apoo fear for their lives and beat drake with 1 sword. Who's who wasn't confident he can take care of drake so he had queen do it by bringing drake to him.

Your whole list of moments for king is so bias and you just ignore that every thing king does queen actually does the same shit if not even better.



Queen and King are being put together where as katakuri had to do everything by himself pretty much.

Oda is portraying that pretty clearly here.

Kaido Queen King and Jack can all hold their own and deal with the situation but katakuri pretty much carried WCI by himself as a YC1
 
#13
Something is missing from this topic, oh right this is missing.
@Jo_Ndule

I'm not even going to bother reading all that, this seems like another desperation to over wank King just because Zoro might fight him. So far there is no proof that King is stronger than Katakuri and the "proof" some people have are those using their headcanon, could King still be stronger than Katakuri maybe but we need to see him in action first because right now he hasn't shown anything that makes him stronger.

As for King being far stronger than Queen, so far there is no proof that King is far stronger than Queen. King is stronger than Queen but not by a whole lot, also Oda has always portrayed King and Queen together ever since their introduction. Even in the latest chapter we see Oda portraying King and Queen together, so unless we see King in action nothing proves that he is stronger than Katakuri or far stronger than Queen.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#14
One overlooked part of King is the fact he's effectively commanding the Beast Pirate forces. Everyone is taking orders from him, he's directing the battle and keeping an eye on the main arena of combat from directly above it. He's not fighting himself because he wouldn't be able to respond to any greater threats if he was tied down fighting Jinbe or Zoro.

While Kaido and Jack went off to abandon the bulk of their forces, King opted to take up the helm of leadership. Queen, mad lad that he is, decided they didn't need fodder and tried to kill everyone. Love that guy.
 
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#15
Something is missing from this topic, oh right this is missing.
@Jo_Ndule

I'm not even going to bother reading all that, this seems like another desperation to over wank King just because Zoro might fight him. So far there is no proof that King is stronger than Katakuri and the "proof" some people have are those using their headcanon, could King still be stronger than Katakuri maybe but we need to see him in action first because right now he hasn't shown anything that makes him stronger.

As for King being far stronger than Queen, so far there is no proof that King is far stronger than Queen. King is stronger than Queen but not by a whole lot, also Oda has always portrayed King and Queen together ever since their introduction. Even in the latest chapter we see Oda portraying King and Queen together, so unless we see King in action nothing proves that he is stronger than Katakuri or far stronger than Queen.
So right, people want king super powerfull because of they like zoro :))))))))
 
#16
I read half of your post, tldr and didn't found anything that puts King far stronger than Queen in the part i read.

Bounty? Didn't you put Katakuri above Queen despite Queen having higher?
PS it is not only King bounty that is saved, we haven't seen much from King either. While Queen was present during the Udon Prison. If this is your reason might as well make a thread for Tobi Roppo>Queen since Oda is also holding back their bounties. Would ya?

King reacting fast to Sanji saving Momonosuke? Could simply be individual stats, one could be better than other in some stats doesn't necessarily mean A>B much less much stronger. Plus he could fly going after Sanji who was also flying make more sense maybe hence Oda made King do it.

Leadership is yes valid point. But that just shows he is FM. It doesn't hint any big difference btwn them. You can use King Queen heirarchy it would be same. They both trash talk each other.
 

Rosella.Fiamingo

Peerless In History
#20
Oda literally treats the F6 with more importance than the Calamities especially King. Katakuri literally stole the show at WCI. Kata is luffy's benchmark before becoming a top tier no other YC bar Beckman is stronger than him until proven otherwise. In fact, since he is Luffy's benchmark, Luffy's Benchmark are always stronger than Zoro and Sanji's and that will never change.

King would literally need to destroy the whole Alliance himself to come back from how shittly Oda has portrayed him. King would need to actually display COC to be put on an equal pedestal to Katakuri who again, is luffy's benchmark.
 
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