General & Others Why was Doflamingo not an Emperor?

Was Doffy close to Emperor status?

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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#1
What did Donquixote family lack to obtain a status of an Emperor?

When Garp talks about the Yonko he describes the way how they rule the 2nd half of the Grand Line, like Emperors.
From what we have seen, what makes an Emperor are first and foremost, a large crew.
Secondly, territories that they rule over or use their name to protect them.
Thirdly, the influence in the seas where they operate.

Let's start with influence. It's certainly an area where Donquixote didnt fall short. Doffy was one of the most influential characters in New World and his operations reached out to Paradise as well. He was seen in Jaya where his underling Bellamy operated and his operations were noted in Sabaody. Ultimately, as Joker, he was the man who ran the Underworld in New World, many countries were depending on his operation. The whole SMILE operation was possible because of him. His influence even reached to the top of the World Government, he blackmailed them into fooling the entire world just for his scheme of fooling Law and SHs.

When it comes to territories, he certainly doesnt lack in that section either, with the whole Dressrosa under his command he fulfills that requirement.
Human auction in Sabaody was also his territory, ran by his influence and connections until he abandoned it. Considering that other Emperors dont have more territories necessarily than their headquarters, this certainly isnt a reason why Doffy isnt an Emperor, especially considering that Luffy was proclaimed as Emperor without a single territory that could be called his HQ. With Vergo and Monet monitoring and protecting Caesar, Punk Hazzard could also be considered his territory.

When it comes to having a large crew, Doffy should check this one as well. His troops counted over 2.000 men, that may be short compared to the number the Emperors command but compared to Shanks or Blackbeard, depending on how many they command, may not be short after all. When it comes to notable members, Doflamingo family probably counts more than RedHair and Blackbeard Pirates who have around 10 notable members. Doflamingo had 4 commanders under him, called Seats. All Seats commanded 3-4 notable members under them, aside from Vergo who was on an undercover operation. There is also Monet whose hierarchy is uncertain.

The most terrifying powers in his organization, especially in Dressrosa setting, were the abilities of 3 characters - Doflamingo's Birdcage which prevents the enemies from escaping as well as cutting off all communications and prevents help from coming in. In such limited space which constantly shrinks, we have the country-wide terraforming ability of the Seat, Pica. While ridiculed by downplayers, we now see that his powers are of more use than all Calamities and Sweet Commanders put together. On top of those two abilities, we have the ultimate trump card, Sugar, with the frightening ability which neutralized many threats in Doflamingo's way.

So, considering that Doflamingo checks off all the requirements that make an Emperor, why wasnt he one of them?
The first objection could be that he himself wasnt individually strong enough. Luffy became an Emperor when he demonstrated proof of strength and his commanding troops became known. Doffy is a strong individual, not on the level of other Emperors but still, he wouldnt be a Warlord if he wasnt incredibly strong himself(Buggy-senchou aside). The number of troops required to defeat the Doflamingo family was comparable to a number of troops currently fighting an Alliance between two Emperors, granted that aside from Big Mom herself and Perorin, nobody else from BMP are there as of now.

What is your opinion regarding why Doffy fell short of Emperor status?
 
#3
The Don Quixote family if I recall right was only 2,000 strong. Big Mom casually sent out 10,000 soldiers just to fight Germa. It took Shanks, what, 10-15 years to become a Yonko after Mihawk fights? Oda mentioned that One Piece has > 1 million islands. I don't think we quite grasp just how much territory these guys have amassed, and how much manpower.

So there are a lot of reasons, but primarily I think because like Crocodile he had "other" plans.
 
#5
What did Donquixote family lack to obtain a status of an Emperor?

When Garp talks about the Yonko he describes the way how they rule the 2nd half of the Grand Line, like Emperors.
From what we have seen, what makes an Emperor are first and foremost, a large crew.
Secondly, territories that they rule over or use their name to protect them.
Thirdly, the influence in the seas where they operate.

Let's start with influence. It's certainly an area where Donquixote didnt fall short. Doffy was one of the most influential characters in New World and his operations reached out to Paradise as well. He was seen in Jaya where his underling Bellamy operated and his operations were noted in Sabaody. Ultimately, as Joker, he was the man who ran the Underworld in New World, many countries were depending on his operation. The whole SMILE operation was possible because of him. His influence even reached to the top of the World Government, he blackmailed them into fooling the entire world just for his scheme of fooling Law and SHs.

When it comes to territories, he certainly doesnt lack in that section either, with the whole Dressrosa under his command he fulfills that requirement.
Human auction in Sabaody was also his territory, ran by his influence and connections until he abandoned it. Considering that other Emperors dont have more territories necessarily than their headquarters, this certainly isnt a reason why Doffy isnt an Emperor, especially considering that Luffy was proclaimed as Emperor without a single territory that could be called his HQ. With Vergo and Monet monitoring and protecting Caesar, Punk Hazzard could also be considered his territory.

When it comes to having a large crew, Doffy should check this one as well. His troops counted over 2.000 men, that may be short compared to the number the Emperors command but compared to Shanks or Blackbeard, depending on how many they command, may not be short after all. When it comes to notable members, Doflamingo family probably counts more than RedHair and Blackbeard Pirates who have around 10 notable members. Doflamingo had 4 commanders under him, called Seats. All Seats commanded 3-4 notable members under them, aside from Vergo who was on an undercover operation. There is also Monet whose hierarchy is uncertain.

The most terrifying powers in his organization, especially in Dressrosa setting, were the abilities of 3 characters - Doflamingo's Birdcage which prevents the enemies from escaping as well as cutting off all communications and prevents help from coming in. In such limited space which constantly shrinks, we have the country-wide terraforming ability of the Seat, Pica. While ridiculed by downplayers, we now see that his powers are of more use than all Calamities and Sweet Commanders put together. On top of those two abilities, we have the ultimate trump card, Sugar, with the frightening ability which neutralized many threats in Doflamingo's way.

So, considering that Doflamingo checks off all the requirements that make an Emperor, why wasnt he one of them?
The first objection could be that he himself wasnt individually strong enough. Luffy became an Emperor when he demonstrated proof of strength and his commanding troops became known. Doffy is a strong individual, not on the level of other Emperors but still, he wouldnt be a Warlord if he wasnt incredibly strong himself(Buggy-senchou aside). The number of troops required to defeat the Doflamingo family was comparable to a number of troops currently fighting an Alliance between two Emperors, granted that aside from Big Mom herself and Perorin, nobody else from BMP are there as of now.

What is your opinion regarding why Doffy fell short of Emperor status?
Primary one he submitted to Kaidou.
 
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#7
Doflamingo and his crew never had the level of strength and military power to match an Emperor and his/her crew, far from it.

And outside of Dressrosa he didn't have islands that were officially under his rule or protection, Saobody was a place where he had economical and criminal influence but it wasn't under his political and military influence/control or protection. Punk Hazard was under his influence but it wasn't under his flag and the island was officially abandonned to not draw the marines' attention.
 
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Jo_Ndule

#9
Because he lacks individual power. :
YONKO should no/low YCs. Mid diff the strongest YC.
Yonko should high/mid diff Admirals 1v1
Yonko are either physical monsters or haki masters or mix.
A yonko candidate beats the strongest YC... something doffy can't.

He also lacks allies and lacks territories... having one land/island isn't enough unless if that country is a major land.

The main reason he isnt yonko is power! His own power is lacking.
Being Yonko is about being powerful yourself then influence and territories.

Birdcage is useless against some YCs.

G4 vs Doffy ended Doffy being Yonko or Kata level.
A yonko candidate/yonko doesn't get dominated by pre advanced g4 or lose to it.

Oh yeah, his crew is weak.
 
#11
He lacked strength and so did his crew.
Also I think he's more the type of guy who tries to do things in the shadows.
His power was still expanding but ultimately he would have lost to someone else if it wasn't Luffy.
Yes Doffy was Business man. I don't think he wanted to rise to Yonkou either, would get crushed anyway if he tried to. Doffy knew that.
 
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Jo_Ndule

#12
Did Whitebeard "submit" to Kaido? He didn't want to face him either and he had good reason.
Stop comparing wb to Doffy. WB didn't start sweating

Doffy is too weak individually : which Yonko gets dominated by pre advanced haki G4 Luffy and loses
Eveb while weakened. Weakened Katakuri wasn't but Yonko will be trashed by boundman/snakeman

Same way Luffy wasn't yonko coz he lacked the power/skills
 
#14
Stop comparing wb to Doffy. WB didn't start sweating

Doffy is too weak individually : which Yonko gets dominated by pre advanced haki G4 Luffy and loses
Eveb while weakened. Weakened Katakuri wasn't but Yonko will be trashed by boundman/snakeman

Same way Luffy wasn't yonko coz he lacked the power/skills
You mean which Yonko loses to a bunch of kids? I don't know. Take a guess.

Be careful of the trash talk cause your precious BM might go down to even weaker combo of characters.

I ain't getting into this WB Kaidou thing

Doffy was Schibukai, had he not been one he would submit to Kaidou. Since undercover he was always working for Kaidou.

*Insert Pirate crew joins Yonkou in NW to survive Panel* can't find it.
Dude wtf are you talking about? Doffy was not working for Kaido. He was an associate of his.
 
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Jo_Ndule

#17
Wasnt Marco a candidate for an Emperor?
If Marco can be one, no reason why Doflamingo cant.
Oda is probably the only reason indeed...
He wasn't candidate

Nobody ever said or called Marco as candidate
Even after he led wbp, the world doesn't call him Ex Captain but still Ex commander of WBP
 
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