Questions & Mysteries Would Oden have turned Enma black if he was still alive?

[Bogard]

Title says it all. Let's remember

> Oden was initially portrayed as a natural born Monster, accomplishing feats vastly beyond people around his age, a little bit like Big Mom, with Oden being a dedicated swordsman/samurai

> Could use hardening from an early age, and was a conqueror haki user

> Whitebeard was calling him "little brother" when he usually call his crewmates his "sons" paralleling a bit what Rayleigh was to Roger(partner), with Whitebeard even saying he wasn't the type to be led by anyone

> Kaido respected his strength enough he had to place a spy in his group to follow his movements, and come with an army to fight 10people and could still have lost if not the old hag

But he died at 39, 20years ago. So the question now is to know if Oden could have turned Enma black if he was still alive?

Give your thoughts on the comment below

 

[Finalbeta]

Don't think so when not even Roger could and Oden was like a stupid fly to him for value

 

[Enma]

No. He had enough time to blacken it, but he didn't. Maybe he was not strong enough to do so.

 

[RayanOO]

No.
To blackened a sword you have to live and die for the art of the sword. Oden had other goals than to improve his swordsmanship again and again. He would have lead Wano, would have wanted to open its borders etc.
He didn't have the drive necessary to blackened his swords.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

OT: I think he wouldn't have managed it. He lived long enough to make his blade black. Even if he were still alive, I doubt he'd be constantly fighting strong dudes who can pressure him enough to reach new heights of COA. Being a freak of nature doesn't help much either considering every person who managed it so far isn't an inborn monster.

Now that you mentioned it. Assuming Mihawk turned his blade black, He likely pulled it off at an age younger than Oden. Mihawk looks even more impressive now.

To blackened a sword you have to live and die for the art of the sword.

No, it's not a requirement. At least, it's never been mentioned or implied so far.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Did Oden ever tried to perma black his Sword?

 

[RayanOO]

No, it's not a requirement. At least, it's never been mentioned or implied so far.

For now the only two people who managed to have a black blade are Mihawk and Ryuma. Two WSS, and their sole occupation was/is the sword. Their weren't some leaders, or kings, or have an other goal than swordmanship, fighting other swordmen etc.

If we look at other extremely powerful people who used swords but didn't have black blade : Roger, Rayleigh and Shanks.
They are all extremely powerful and they had time to blackened their swords but they did/does other things in life, didn't have that goal etc. Roger wanted to be PK (maybe had other powers other than sword), Shanks is a Yonko and wants to maintain the balance of power etc, Rayleigh is more shady about his own dream but he didn't strike me as someone who wanted to be the best swordmen in the world etc.

So this lead me to believe that it require dedictation to balckened your sword and it is not only power related.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I don't think so, he completed entire journey with Roger to Laugh Tale. He didn't thn, don't see how he will later on.

 

[SHIHI]

I think he reached the peak of his strength when he fought Kaido. So no

 

[Rivaille]

No he would have not.
Hitetsu words to Zoro implied that turning a sword black have nothing to do with the time you spend with the said sword. Which it is most likely why it is link to CoA level.

 

[HA001]

Mihawk had it done by that age. Oden wasnt strong enough.


Lmfao the sword lover nonsense is still being pedalled.
Oden is a samurai a bonafide sword lover.

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What ryuma wasnt some leader ?
He just cared about his sword ?
Are people even reading the story. He succeeded in everything oden failed to do.
He singlehandedly kept wano safe

 

[ShadyOjiro]

For now the only two people who managed to have a black blade are Mihawk and Ryuma. Two WSS, and their sole occupation was/is the sword. Their weren't some leaders, or kings, or have an other goal than swordmanship, fighting other swordmen etc.

If we look at other extremely powerful people who used swords but didn't have black blade : Roger, Rayleigh and Shanks.
They are all extremely powerful and they had time to blackened their swords but they did/does other things in life, didn't have that goal etc. Roger wanted to be PK (maybe had other powers other than sword), Shanks is a Yonko and wants to maintain the balance of power etc, Rayleigh is more shady about his own dream but he didn't strike me as someone who wanted to be the best swordmen in the world etc.

So this lead me to believe that it require dedictation to balckened your sword and it is not only power related.

Ryuma main goal was protect his country from foreigners tho .

 

[Albino 👑]

Probably not since he said he reached his peak tho not even newgate or roger blackened theirs so i dont see it as a major negative

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I don't see why not. Tenguyama seemed confident that Zoro would be able to turn Enma into a black blade simply coz he is strong enough or rather has the disposition to wield troublesome blades like Enma and Sandai Kitestu, something Oden was also capable of (at least with regards to Enma, tho I have no doubt he'd be able to wield the Sandai as well), so it falls to reason that Oden should've also been capable of doing so at least by Tenguyama logic.

 

[trav]

yeah, why not. I can see that happening after he survived boiling for so long.

 

[Reborn]

Title says it all. Let's remember

> Oden was initially portrayed as a natural born Monster, accomplishing feats vastly beyond people around his age, a little bit like Big Mom, with Oden being a dedicated swordsman/samurai

> Could use hardening from an early age, and was a conqueror haki user

> Whitebeard was calling him "little brother" when he usually call his crewmates his "sons" paralleling a bit what Rayleigh was to Roger(partner), with Whitebeard even saying he wasn't the type to be led by anyone

> Kaido respected his strength enough he had to place a spy in his group to follow his movements, and come with an army to fight 10people and could still have lost if not the old hag

But he died at 39, 20years ago. So the question now is to know if Oden could have turned Enma black if he was still alive?

Give your thoughts on the comment below

Wano is land of swordsmen. They have been with swords since early age and I am inclined to believe that learning Ryo comes to them more early as well. Since beginning they engage themselves into swordsmanship.

Oden would be no different. Also, he was proclaimed as madman who used to cause rukus. To me this indicates that he went through Many battles as well in order to become one with swords

So,if oden dies at 39 then he had enough time to make Enma permanently black. Nothin was stopping him from doing so if he was capable enough but he didn't which indicates he lacked the capability to perma black enma and not time.

 

[style]

Advanced Coa isn't enough to blacken a sword, advanced CoC/good CoC is needed as well

 

[Finalbeta]

Advanced Coa isn't enough to blacken a sword, advanced CoC/good CoC is needed as well

I feel it takes an advanced form of advanced CoA which only Mihawk and Ryuma might have possessed throughout the whole series. I hope to find out more asap

 

[wordyworm]

I think no, because he had the sword for so long without turning it black, including fighting battles that would have required all his CoA strength against some really top tier opponents.

If brute strength or monster level haki was all that was necessary, we would have a lot more black swords. So it seems like dedication, study, training, etc are also required.

 

[comrade]

I don't think so. He already reached his prime, while travelling around the world with two PK materials. Tengu saying Enma has yet to become a black blade, implied to me that Oden didn't manage it rather than not having enough time.