The Goal of this thread is to put better clarity on full Zoan form specifically. Lets start with Pre timeskip.. When was it shown at anypoint in the manga that the Zoan
Transformation matters other than as mean of transportation? Never
Even Chopper's Animal form is merely utilized as a walking form. Brain point and his Human point are the most significant forms, for example he wouldn't need brain point if his reindeer form could do the trick. In short, he's limited in his walking point.
Lucci's Zoan form was used to bite Luffy once, then never again. He fought the most in his Human and Hybrid form.
It's only fairly recently that the full Zoan forms have been depicted as a fighting power with the Beast pirates, Kaido's mythical Dragon form and all his strongest subordinates with Ancient Zoan forms, Dinosaurs.. Of course the dinosaurs were the strongest and largest creatures that ever existed on earth, so our current daily animals wouldn't stand a chance against them, just like in this example.
However in One Piece, bigger and stronger doesn't necessarly relate to greater, here Dorry behead a brontosaurus with no difficulty..
The mighty Elbaf warrior Giant Dorry would make quick work of Queen in his Brachiosarurus Zoan form have an overwhelming advantage against Queen's Zoan form.
Ancient Zoan forms are overrated and i will give you many evidences that support this very point..
Beginning with Kaido, he's a mythical Zoan not an Ancient Zoan but its a higher tier.. His first encounter with Luffy he tanked gear 3 elephant gatling gun in Dragon form, then he turned back in his Human form to tank a stronger attack which is gear 4 Kong gatling(organ) gun. If Kaido stayed in Dragon form, he would have received damage and wouldn't have been able to defeat Luffy.
Another instance is when Kaido fought the Scabbards, Oda gave them their time to shine and after Kaido went in his Human form to defeat them easily off screen..
Then if we come back on the fact that Marco's Zoan form was useless at Marineford versus on Onigashima, he's exclusively able to fight in that form against other Zoans in their animal or dinosaur form.
Continuing with the Calamity Jack, on Zou similar to Kaido's Dragon form he started in his Zoan Mammoth form then when Nekomamushi went serious on him he transformed back in his Fishman(base) form. Nekomamushi mentioned that Inuarashi was going easy on Jack.
There are inconsistencies to note though concerning the Zoan form since Oda didn't want to reveal the Hybrid form such as the Oden vs Kaido fight or Jack vs Neko Inu Sulong fight.
One more sign that indicate the Zoan form to be the weakest is Marco couldn't repel Big Mom's ship in his Zoan form, he had to use a Named attack in Hybrid form while King casually kicked the ship in his Pteranodon with NO Named attack. It also suggest that Marco has no Named attack in his Zoan form, which is the case for most Zoan forms.
More minor examples, Yamato was about to transform when SaSaki started to pull out his Blade, when Jinbei WsW started their fight WhosWho was in Zoan form and in a recent chapter he's fighting Jinbei in his Human form implyng he was forced to do it to keep on par..
Page One could be the one exception to the rule as we have not witnessed him fight in Human form and he doesn't seem to be the fighter type. He has yet to show armament Haki and observation Haki(unclear), so it's a possibility that his base human form is his weakest for him in particular.
Now, i'm ending this post with a wild speculation that goes like this, Zoan Devil Fruit users in their Zoan form Can't Manipulate Haki..
Transformation matters other than as mean of transportation? Never
Even Chopper's Animal form is merely utilized as a walking form. Brain point and his Human point are the most significant forms, for example he wouldn't need brain point if his reindeer form could do the trick. In short, he's limited in his walking point.
Lucci's Zoan form was used to bite Luffy once, then never again. He fought the most in his Human and Hybrid form.
It's only fairly recently that the full Zoan forms have been depicted as a fighting power with the Beast pirates, Kaido's mythical Dragon form and all his strongest subordinates with Ancient Zoan forms, Dinosaurs.. Of course the dinosaurs were the strongest and largest creatures that ever existed on earth, so our current daily animals wouldn't stand a chance against them, just like in this example.
However in One Piece, bigger and stronger doesn't necessarly relate to greater, here Dorry behead a brontosaurus with no difficulty..
The mighty Elbaf warrior Giant Dorry would make quick work of Queen in his Brachiosarurus Zoan form have an overwhelming advantage against Queen's Zoan form.
Ancient Zoan forms are overrated and i will give you many evidences that support this very point..
Beginning with Kaido, he's a mythical Zoan not an Ancient Zoan but its a higher tier.. His first encounter with Luffy he tanked gear 3 elephant gatling gun in Dragon form, then he turned back in his Human form to tank a stronger attack which is gear 4 Kong gatling(organ) gun. If Kaido stayed in Dragon form, he would have received damage and wouldn't have been able to defeat Luffy.
Another instance is when Kaido fought the Scabbards, Oda gave them their time to shine and after Kaido went in his Human form to defeat them easily off screen..
Then if we come back on the fact that Marco's Zoan form was useless at Marineford versus on Onigashima, he's exclusively able to fight in that form against other Zoans in their animal or dinosaur form.
Continuing with the Calamity Jack, on Zou similar to Kaido's Dragon form he started in his Zoan Mammoth form then when Nekomamushi went serious on him he transformed back in his Fishman(base) form. Nekomamushi mentioned that Inuarashi was going easy on Jack.
There are inconsistencies to note though concerning the Zoan form since Oda didn't want to reveal the Hybrid form such as the Oden vs Kaido fight or Jack vs Neko Inu Sulong fight.
One more sign that indicate the Zoan form to be the weakest is Marco couldn't repel Big Mom's ship in his Zoan form, he had to use a Named attack in Hybrid form while King casually kicked the ship in his Pteranodon with NO Named attack. It also suggest that Marco has no Named attack in his Zoan form, which is the case for most Zoan forms.
More minor examples, Yamato was about to transform when SaSaki started to pull out his Blade, when Jinbei WsW started their fight WhosWho was in Zoan form and in a recent chapter he's fighting Jinbei in his Human form implyng he was forced to do it to keep on par..
Page One could be the one exception to the rule as we have not witnessed him fight in Human form and he doesn't seem to be the fighter type. He has yet to show armament Haki and observation Haki(unclear), so it's a possibility that his base human form is his weakest for him in particular.
Now, i'm ending this post with a wild speculation that goes like this, Zoan Devil Fruit users in their Zoan form Can't Manipulate Haki..
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Marco just basically did the same thing what king did who cares if it's named or not. Phoenix brand is just a casual attack with his talon just like Luffy's pistol or bullet are just regular punches it really isn't a big deal.
