Theory Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbei won't fight Blackbeard pirate commanders

[Monkey D Theories]

Each time the SHs get a major fight, the stakes are raised dramatically. Let's look at Zoro's major opponents:

King>>Pica>>Monet>>Hyouzou

Each new opponent is on a significantly higher tier than the previous.

With that being said, I simply don't think it makes sense for Zoro, Sanji, and jinbei to beat Teach's top commanders. Because these guys already defeated yonko top commanders in wano. So why have them fight YCs again?

For Luffy vs Teach, I think its different. Oda is obviously going to put a lot of effort to distinguish teach from the average yonko in the coming arcs. But should we really expect him to do the same for shiryu and the other blackbeard commanders? Teach is an arc antagonist and has been a major character since Jaya. The other blackbeard commanders are basically faceless nobodies.
imo, rather than have the three fight teach's commanders, I think it would make much more sense for Oda to have Teach ally with cross guild and for Z,S,J to fight Teach's allies: Mihawk, Aokiji, and Crocodile, respectively.

In interviews, Oda has said that :

• one piece is in its final arc
• one piece is going to end in 3 years
• the story ends once one piece has been found

From this we can conclude that Teach is most likely the main antagonist and that the marines, Imu, and everyone else will be dealt with by side characters, and will simply not be as important as Teach.

Mihawk is Zoro's endgame, Teach is Luffy's. imo it only makes sense if Teach follows in Xebec's footsteps by creating a great pirate alliance, of which Cross guild will be a part of. But unlike in wano, with Kaido and BM, Luffy won't have Kid and Law helping him against the alliance. He will have to deal with it by himself. This is how the stakes will rise.

SHs defeating 1 yonko crew(wano)-----> SHs defeating 2+ yonko crews(final war)

But then who will defeat Teach's top commanders? I am guessing it will probably be the mid trio. Oda will probably give them massive power ups to boost them to YC level, just like he gave everyone in wano massive power ups to fight the yonkos and their crews.

Brook + yomi yomi no mi necromancy awakening vs Shiryu
Franky + Pluton vs Sanjuan Wolf
Robin + haki vs whomever
In order for the SHs to defeat the BBP, I'm guessing that the grand fleet will also join in. Teach has 10 commanders. Of the grand fleet, only 4 are really important: Cavendish, Bartolomeo, Sai, and Hajruddin. Orolumbus was never given a fight and Leo only got a fight because of the tontatta subplot, which was largely tied to dressrosa. 10 SHs - Monster 4 + 4 GF commanders = 10 BB commanders

Alternatively, Oda could have Cavendish, Sai, and Barto fight Teach's top commanders, but I feel as if Oda cares about the mid trio more. In any case, the final battle for the SHs will be:
Luffy vs Teach
Zoro vs Mihawk
Sanji vs Aokiji
Jinbei vs Crocodile

Mid and Weak trio + Grand fleet vs 10 titanic commanders

 

[Tobra]

Dumb take

Blackbeard and his crew are a mirror to the strawhats crew. they aren’t static like other yonko crews they’re growing like the strawhats you’re right about sanji and zoro exceeding yonko commanders

But Did you think maybe blackbeard’s top 2 will exceed yonko commanders too? Shiryu is the best example he was already on of the strongest marines and was already a yc1/yc2 at impel down weaker than magellan but now he has a devil fruit you don’t think that will push him at least a tier or two?

And blackbeard’s other top 2 is probably the hidden 10th commander you don’t think him being hidden hints at him being strong?

sanji and zoro have top tier potentials but so does blackbeard pirates

 

[Kyou]

Dumb take

Blackbeard and his crew are a mirror to the strawhats crew. they aren’t static like other yonko crews they’re growing like the strawhats you’re right about sanji and zoro exceeding yonko commanders

But Did you think maybe blackbeard’s top 2 will exceed yonko commanders too? Shiryu is the best example he was already on of the strongest marines and was already a yc1/yc2 at impel down weaker than magellan but now he has a devil fruit you don’t think that will push him at least a tier or two?

And blackbeard’s other top 2 is probably the hidden 10th commander you don’t think him being hidden hints at him being strong?

sanji and zoro have top tier potentials but so does blackbeard pirates

Who's number 10
Fire v Ice
If either one of you are right it's still the same Sanji v Aokiji

 

[Tobra]

Who's number 10
Fire v Ice
If either one of you are right it's still the same Sanji v Aokiji

I dont know if kuzan is the 10th commander i think it’s a completely new character or a character who was very minor

sanji vs kuzan would be dope no complaints if that happens

 

[Screws Loose242]

BB top 2 yc is gonna be on a different level from other yonko camander that's clearly seen how either devil fruit they were do damn strong enough to be at level 6 inside impale down now they df& who knows if they have two df each just like black or some other trickery

 

[SakazOuki]

Brook + yomi yomi no mi necromancy awakening vs Shiryu

 

[Kyou]

4 me Shiryu is kind of a let down with his fruit
Sanji won v two different invisible characters and now Zoro has 2 do what pts Sanji did.

So that's y I prefer this.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

That's not always how Oda does fights in One Piece. It's not always a matter of X character > Y character, but rather X character poses a different obstacle to overcome than Y character, and vice versa.

Zoro's preskip opponents all posed different challenges for Zoro. Daz Bones was hard to damage. Ohm was hard to land a hit on. Kaku posed an actual challenge to Zoro's swords skills, as Kaku was the most skilled out of Zoro's preskip opponents, and a cut above Daz and Ohm, who were relatively on the same level.

The same could be the case here. For Zoro, King was a difficult opponent to damage. Shiliew would be a difficult opponent for Zoro to land a hit on. And then you'll finally have Mihawk, who will put Zoro's Swordsmanship to the ultimate challenge, and is a cut above Shiliew and King.

 

[matt245]

That's not always how Oda does fights in One Piece. It's not always a matter of X character > Y character, but rather X character poses a different obstacle to overcome than Y character, and vice versa.

Zoro's preskip opponents all posed different challenges for Zoro. Daz Bones was hard to damage. Ohm was hard to land a hit on. Kaku posed an actual challenge to Zoro's swords skills, as Kaku was the most skilled out of Zoro's preskip opponents, and a cut above Daz and Ohm, who were relatively on the same level.

The same could be the case here. For Zoro, King was a difficult opponent to damage. Shiliew would be a difficult opponent for Zoro to land a hit on. And then you'll finally have Mihawk, who will put Zoro's Swordsmanship to the ultimate challenge, and is a cut above Shiliew and King.

That might be the first W that I've seen from you...

 

[nik87]

So why have them fight YCs again?

Well, I get your concern but we are running out of tiers that Zoro can fight.
Pica was already YC tier. He stepped up to fighting not 1 but 2 top tiers on the rooftop.
Then he went up a notch and fought a god of the red line, a man tougher than the toughest top tier.

Now, Blackbeard's commander needs to trump all of that. And he will.
The Indivisible man has what is required to stall the King of Hell.
Mere top tiers wont get the job done. Unless they team up and even then it's a gamble.

 

[Marco]

This is the new Mihawk will join Shanks and will fight Zoro

Blackbeard and his men will be levels above other yonko crew, like a true PK crew should be (Shanks being between Yonko & PK level crew will push them to that level)

 

[Cinera]

From this we can conclude that Teach is most likely the main antagonist and that the marines, Imu, and everyone else will be dealt with by side characters, and will simply not be as important as Teach.

No.

• The Marines have been an antagonistic force from even before Teach was introduced.
• Whitebeard said that a massive war would break out after the One Piece is found.
• Imu is a much bigger force than Teach
• Joy Boy and the things Roger left unfinished have to do with the World Government not with Teach

I think it would make much more sense for Oda to have Teach ally with cross guild and for Z,S,J to fight Teach's allies: Mihawk, Aokiji, and Crocodile, respectively.

1. Why would Mihawk and Crocodile decide to ally with Cross Guild?
2. Sanji seems to have a much stronger case to face Crocodile than to face Kuzan
3. Luffy will probably face Buggy again given their antagonistic relationship

 

[kumae]

Zoro vs Shiryu is already preset
Sanji either laffite or the 10th?
And Jinbe I have my doubts last chapter hint franky vs san JuanWolf Vasco Shot looks like a fishmen and a karate dude and burguess is a beefy helmsman🤔

 

[Monkey D Theories]

No.

• The Marines have been an antagonistic force from even before Teach was introduced.
• Whitebeard said that a massive war would break out after the One Piece is found.
• Imu is a much bigger force than Teach
• Joy Boy and the things Roger left unfinished have to do with the World Government not with Teach

1. Why would Mihawk and Crocodile decide to ally with Cross Guild?
2. Sanji seems to have a much stronger case to face Crocodile than to face Kuzan
3. Luffy will probably face Buggy again given their antagonistic relationship

but One Piece isn't going to last 10 more years. Which is what it would if Akainu, Imu, Cross guild, and Teach all got dressrosa/wano sized arcs. Oda said its ending in 3 years and that this is the final arc, he literally said there's no point in continuing the series once one piece is found.

Whitebeard never actually said the One Piece will cause a war. He just said that a war is coming and that the OP will turn the world upside down. The war could happen before or after OP is found, but given Oda's words, its probably before.

OP is in its final arc, this is confirmed. Teach, the WG, and the celestial dragons are probably all going to be dealt with in one arc. Hence, the greatest war of all time. I'm guessing the 4th poneglyph somehow finds its way to mariejois and everyone's going to fight over it.

Probably something like this:
SHs vs BBP
Revolutionaries vs Imu + gorosei
Kid, Law, Shanks, ect. vs admirals

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In any case, Oda's timeframe of 3 years is consistent with his statement about this being the final arc.
Wano took 4 years.

This timeframe is also consistent with the story progression:

• 2/3 ancient weapons have been discovered
• 3/4 poneglyphs have been found
• Luffy has awakening, mastered all 3 forms of haki, and is a yonko
• Zoro has ACoC, advanced armament, and is probably already a low top tier

It makes no logical sense for this not to be the final arc. Not every villain needs to be defeated by Luffy or the SHs. Wano proved this. Look at how many people claimed that Luffy would beat BM, only for her to be defeated by Kid and Law. One Piece has more supporting characters than the entire cast of some manga.

the supernova, the red hair pirates, the revolutionaries, marine allies, literally anybody who appeared in previous arcs. If Luffy beats everyone then what do these guys do? just sit on the sidelines and watch?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

but One Piece isn't going to last 10 more years. Which is what it would if Akainu, Imu, Cross guild, and Teach all got dressrosa/wano sized arcs. Oda said its ending in 3 years and that this is the final arc, he literally said there's no point in continuing the series once one piece is found.

Whitebeard never actually said the One Piece will cause a war. He just said that a war is coming and that the OP will turn the world upside down. The war could happen before or after OP is found, but given Oda's words, its probably before.

OP is in its final arc, this is confirmed. Teach, the WG, and the celestial dragons are probably all going to be dealt with in one arc. Hence, the greatest war of all time. I'm guessing the 4th poneglyph somehow finds its way to mariejois and everyone's going to fight over it.

Probably something like this:
SHs vs BBP
Revolutionaries vs Imu + gorosei
Kid, Law, Shanks, ect. vs admirals

Post automatically merged: Sep 4, 2022

In any case, Oda's timeframe of 3 years is consistent with his statement about this being the final arc.
Wano took 4 years.

This timeframe is also consistent with the story progression:

• 2/3 ancient weapons have been discovered
• 3/4 poneglyphs have been found
• Luffy has awakening, mastered all 3 forms of haki, and is a yonko
• Zoro has ACoC, advanced armament, and is probably already a low top tier

It makes no logical sense for this not to be the final arc. Not every villain needs to be defeated by Luffy or the SHs. Wano proved this. Look at how many people claimed that Luffy would beat BM, only for her to be defeated by Kid and Law. One Piece has more supporting characters than the entire cast of some manga.

the supernova, the red hair pirates, the revolutionaries, marine allies, literally anybody who appeared in previous arcs. If Luffy beats everyone then what do these guys do? just sit on the sidelines and watch?

I get luffy doesn’t have to beat everyone; but I think Imu and Blackbeard are two people he needs to beat. Luffy has a few main themes:
Dreams, Freedom, and the Sun.

Blackbeard is the antithesis of Luffys Sun being the user of the dark dark fruit

Imu is the antithesis of Freedom being that when Sabo “died” Ace called the Celestial Dragons the opposite of freedom. And imu is the king of the celestial dragons.

Just thematically; these two should both fight luffy.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Well I would have agreed with this thread if it wasn't for power inflation. Blackbeard's Commanders also grow in power just like the SHs and they won't end up as YC level. They will surpassed that and entered the top tier range.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

King>>Pica>>Monet>>Hyouzou

Each new opponent is on a significantly higher tier than the previous.

It seems that way because each villain is on a significantly high tier than the last.

Blackbeard > Kaido >/= Big Mom >>>>> Doflamingo >>> Hody Jones

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I get luffy doesn’t have to beat everyone; but I think Imu and Blackbeard are two people he needs to beat. Luffy has a few main themes:
Dreams, Freedom, and the Sun.

Blackbeard is the antithesis of Luffys Sun being the user of the dark dark fruit

Imu is the antithesis of Freedom being that when Sabo “died” Ace called the Celestial Dragons the opposite of freedom. And imu is the king of the celestial dragons.

Just thematically; these two should both fight luffy.

again

Oda confirmed OP is in its final arc. He said its going to end in 3 years, which is about how long it takes Oda to finish drawing a major arc in the past 10 years.

Luffy doesn't need to fight Imu. Imu is a faceless villain with zero personal connection to Luffy bar the whole D vs celestial dragon thing. But Luffy isn't the only D; Dragon is a D, Garp is a D, even Law is a D.
Dragon has had literally zero focus in the past 20+ years of one piece. Garp has barely had any focus either. And Law is so important that Oda had him beat BM with Kid.

Oda could easily do Dragon and Garp vs Imu .

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It seems that way because each villain is on a significantly high tier than the last.

Blackbeard > Kaido >/= Big Mom >>>>> Doflamingo >>> Hody Jones

Nah, Oda is going to put Teach on a different tier from kaido. just you wait.

He said Teach was originally planned to be stronger than 3 admirals combined.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

again

Oda confirmed OP is in its final arc. He said its going to end in 3 years, which is about how long it takes Oda to finish drawing a major arc in the past 10 years.

Luffy doesn't need to fight Imu. Imu is a faceless villain with zero personal connection to Luffy bar the whole D vs celestial dragon thing. But Luffy isn't the only D; Dragon is a D, Garp is a D, even Law is a D.
Dragon has had literally zero focus in the past 20+ years of one piece. Garp has barely had any focus either. And Law is so important that Oda had him beat BM with Kid.

Oda could easily do Dragon and Garp vs Imu .

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Nah, Oda is going to put Teach on a different tier from kaido. just you wait.

He said Teach was originally planned to be stronger than 3 admirals combined.

Dragon and garp vs imu would be weird cause why would imu and Blackbeard team up. The story is ending on Mariejoa, but that’s not where Blackbeard is heading. Blackbeard is not going to be the final villain because the story literally needs to end at Mariejoa.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Dragon and garp vs imu would be weird cause why would imu and Blackbeard team up. The story is ending on Mariejoa, but that’s not where Blackbeard is heading. Blackbeard is not going to be the final villain because the story literally needs to end at Mariejoa.

It doesn't matter. We were literally told OP is in its final arc and is ending in 3 years. Oda will find a way to tie all storylines together.

Obviously it won't be easy to predict how it will happen, but if I were to guess:

The final poneglyph is on elbaf, the marines and the WG get to the poneglyph before Luffy or the pirates. The final poneglyph is taken to mariejois.
In order to get to it, Luffy allies with Dragon and challenges the WG to a war. Teach shows up and decides that he is going to genocide the CDs and become king of the world. Luffy fights teach to stop him.

I'm sure my specific prediction has some holes in it, but that's not really the point. Its that Oda can and will tie all plot points together. He said this is the final arc, let's stop pretending as if he's lying.